CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #4

[Gina20]

Twitter

Berry picker missing in Manitoba. It's far away.

 

[1987]

well, seems the young men got at least one gun and ammo from somewhere to be shooting people. maybe a parent had and they took with them. maybe they stole it somewhere along the way. they have it or at least use to have it.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Consecutive sentences are only uncommon because there aren't a lot of people that go out and kill multiple people.

Not criminally responsible verdicts in Canada are limited to people with schizophenia or bipolar disorder with psychotic features who were truly flipping out at the time they committed the murder. As for KM and BS, you don't get any credit/time off for being a psychopath. You have to honestly not know what you are doing or not know that it is morally wrong. These guys know they have done something wrong because they ran and hid and burned two vehicles and a computer to cover their tracks.

OK, I’ll give you my professional opinion.

First, I am not talking about a finding of not guilty by reason of insanity, which is what your post is in fact mostly about. In those cases, the accused is found not guilty and is sent to a psychiatric facility indefinitely.

Secondly, the age and psychological state of the accused will definitely be factors, and so far consecutive sentences are uncommon.

The person in the example you gave committed a hate crime, killing six moslems at prayer in a mosque. Note that he was sentenced to 40 years without parole, not 150. In Canada, hate crimes are a recognised part of criminal law and hate is a major aggravating factor in sentencing.

The BC Crown Prosecutor may well seek consecutive sentences. There would certainly seem to be an argument for that, but it is not obvious at the moment that he’ll get it.

 

[LadyL]

This pic was posted in a tweet from rcmpmb. Was there any confirmation it was Kam McLeod. Twitter

no confirmation
I think the general consensus here was that he was too short

 

[Gina20]

All this waiting with nothing to sleuth on this case, is driving me to excessive coffee drinking.......moo

Please eat and take a nap. It could be a while.

 

[otto]

Given that they've carried out an interprovincial violent crime spree including multiple murders, with RCMP and tactical involvement required in multiple areas, if they live through being captured I see them as candidates for serving out their eventual sentences at the Special Handling Unit (SHU) outside Montreal, the country's highest-security Supermax unit. I also don't see them as shoe-ins for parole, even if they eventually qualify for the hearings. But I predict, based on this spree which seems not to indicate a lot of preplanning or discipline, that they'll snap long before then and do something to delay their eligibility. JMO.

I doubt that, if arrested and convicted, they will be in the same prison.

 

[ScoopBumps]

There is a really good chance Mr. Dyck had a gun. Any experienced camper would never venture into the northern country without some form of protection. It is likely not registered. I can head out to my parents farm (they are in their 60s) and find a nice collection of unregistered rifles. It wasn't a requirement back in the day.

These 2 kids are not venturing out into the wilderness with nothing. They gunned down and killed 3 people who were essentially set up for bush living. They have everything they need, if they headed that way. I read a post that they were spotted in Dryden, Ontario, yesterday. Guess that tip didn't pan out?

 

[greenfern]

Austin Grabish‏Verified account @AustinGrabish
RCMP say the OPP is now assisting with the investigation.

1:08 PM - 25 Jul 2019

Precautionary? Or do they know something about them possibly continuing their eastward-ho road trip o'evil?

 

[Gina20]

84yo Mary Byman is MISSING after berry picking in Spur Woods on July 24. Last seen around 4pm wearing a long-sleeved blue & white checkered blouse. Mary has limited mobility & is hard of hearing. She may have made her way to #MBHwy201. Have info? Contact #rcmpmb at 204-437-2041

From RCMP Manitoba Twitter.

 

[jillybean51]

Just trying to get in their heads.You kill a couple at night on a deserted highway, as well as another man,in order to switch vehicles.Why burn your vehicle?You have no witnesses , all your gear is in your camper.Why switch vehicles at all?Just carry on and blend in the next day with all the other traffic ,in another location.No one would suspect them or have any reason to be looking for them.To take the RAV4 was not necessary and will lead to them being caught sooner.Do I make any sense?

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Austin Grabish‏Verified account @AustinGrabish
RCMP say the OPP is now assisting with the investigation.

1:08 PM - 25 Jul 2019

Yes, that was part of their 4pm eastern update. However, look at where the Manitoba/Ontario border is in relation to Gillam. Not a surprise, especially if OPP aircraft are being used.

 

[jillybean51]

well, seems the young men got at least one gun and ammo from somewhere to be shooting people. maybe a parent had and they took with them. maybe they stole it somewhere along the way. they have it or at least use to have it.

Maybe it belonged to the couple and used against them.

 

[gregjrichards]

A warm welcome to Websleuths all new members. Thank you for joining us and for your interest in this extremely tragic case.

 

[PingTheRouter]

This pic was posted in a tweet from rcmpmb. Was there any confirmation it was Kam McLeod. Twitter

whats really strange that photo looks photoshoped. it looks like they blurred the t-shirt graphic out, i wonder if its the cathlulu shirt kam wore

 

[missy1974]

We know that Bryer didn’t have a gun license unless he got it without his father knowing. Cost for the course and application are CAN$170 and $60 respectively.

We don’t know about McLeod.

I don’t believe that it’s easy for teenagers without significant crime connections to purchase stolen guns and ammunition in Port Alberni. Maybe easier in Victoria, but you’re still talking about a pretty underground transaction. I’m not saying that it’s impossible, but the probability isn’t high.

I suppose it’s possible that one of them borrowed a gun from a friend and just didn’t return it, but as a gun owner myself this seems pretty far-fetched.

The more likely scenario is that at least one of them has a license, more likely McLeod, and the gun/ammunition are legit, and therefore easily traceable.

It's also possible that family members had guns and they just took them. JMO

 

[tmar]

I don't know how to follow a thread with out posting a comment so this is why I am posting this sorry.

Welcome.
With time you'll be an expert.
Try pressing 'reply', and then AFTER the quote appears, add your comment, and then press send.
Hope to hear more from you.

 

[BearCatSafari]

Austin Grabish‏Verified account @AustinGrabish
RCMP say the OPP is now assisting with the investigation.

1:08 PM - 25 Jul 2019

Precautionary? Or do they know something about them possibly continuing their eastward-ho road trip o'evil?

Could this be assistance as in LE from ON being brought in? Did say LE from others provinces would be brought in. Not sure if it implies there's reason to belive the two are in ON.

 

[MassGuy]

It's also possible that family members had guns and they just took them. JMO

That’s exactly what I think happened.

I absolutely believe they were armed before they hit the road.

 

[PingTheRouter]

i can't confirm this but i ran this through some filter in ps
but it looks like they ran a tool over the shirt and possible some of his face along some sort of black tool to mess with the shirt along with the crappy camera its removed details from his shirt and face
i wonder if they already knew this was them

 

[Deleted member 248860]

It's also possible that family members had guns and they just took them. JMO

That is a possibility. People that I know who own guns, including myself, are pretty aware of that kind of possibility and take precautions. But not everyone is so careful.

I still think that the RCMP have a pretty good idea of how many guns they have, type and caliber, regardless of whether the gun(s) were or weren’t stolen.