CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #4

[LadyL]

This case has made it clear to me that I need to educate myself about my neighboring country, Canada. Geography, jargon, climate......

me too and I live here!

 

[LadyL]

Vehicle seen in video clip will take your breath away...

Alexis Daish‏Verified account @LexiDaish
Tactical assault vehicles are here helping search for Kam Mcleod and Bryer Schmegelsky on remote land outside of Gillam - they’ve been searching an abandoned building with 600 empty rooms.@9NewsAUS @TheTodayShow

3:14 PM - 25 Jul 2019 pst from Gillam, Manitoba

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maybe someone can bring a pic of that machine here

 

[tmar]

and if they did take another vehicle and hurt someone in the process... how long will it be before that person is "missed"?

Uggh ... I wish they gave us more reason to believe they were still there.... or not.

I will continue to ask (demand lol) my family to not stop on the highway for anyone.

Taking another vehicle, hiding the disposal of the owner of the vehicle, would give them time, to escape the area, before the missing person is located.
Also, changing their appearance: one dressed as a female.
They may have traveled quite a distance.
Hiding on foot, appears too dangerous.
MOO.

 

[tmar]

Interesting that the Aussie reporter was front and center with questions. I forget this tragedy reaches across the world . Do we have any sleuthers in here from down under ? How is this being covered down there ?

No new news this morning!

 

[eahatzopoulos]

For real .. bringing up all those Expenisive building materials and manpower .. why is it empty? Just mind boggling

We don't know for sure that this is the place LE was checking out with the "600 empty rooms," however it's possible seeing as a) it's certainly big enough and b) it is one of the last buildings before the highways ends.

This article from 2013 suggests the accompanying camp was built in NB before being brought to MB and is referred to as "temporary"

$70M temporary camp for Hydro workers in Manitoba being constructed in New Brunswick

In my (cursory) research, there is no reason to suggest this place has been entirely abandoned.

I believe this is speculation at best, however how many 600 room buildings could be in the area, you know?

EDIT (BBM/IBM): The article above states that they were building to house 600 workers, but that there were "100 dorm rooms" with additional facilities, as well.

 

[Betty P]

This case has made it clear to me that I need to educate myself about my neighboring country, Canada. Geography, jargon, climate......

I live on the north coast of the US and enjoy visiting Canada now and then, usually around Toronto area. Need to go back again. It's a great place, people are very friendly, its safe. I've learned a lot exploring online around the Gillam area. When I was a kid I always thought the Hudson Bay looked cool on the map, so now I'm ready to visit.

 

[tmar]

Sorry for joining this thread late, any idea why Leonard Dyck was in Northern BC?

It has been stated here, that he enjoyed camping.

 

[SilentSentry]

We know that Bryer didn’t have a gun license unless he got it without his father knowing. Cost for the course and application are CAN$170 and $60 respectively.

We don’t know about McLeod.

I don’t believe that it’s easy for teenagers without significant crime connections to purchase stolen guns and ammunition in Port Alberni. Maybe easier in Victoria, but you’re still talking about a pretty underground transaction. I’m not saying that it’s impossible, but the probability isn’t high.

The more likely scenario is that at least one of them has a license and the gun/ammunition are legit, and therefore easily traceable.

Money aside, you also have to provide references, they have to have known you for at least 3 years, they have to sign the application and provide contact details, right above the signature line is text reads "if you have any concerns about this application please call 1---xxxx"

It can be hard to get a gun in Canada but there are avenues, such as theft or illegal gun sales, I'd like to think they didn't come by it legally, but who knows.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

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Armored SWAT vehicle

 

[3blue1pink]

We know that Bryer didn’t have a gun license unless he got it without his father knowing. Cost for the course and application are CAN$170 and $60 respectively.

We don’t know about McLeod.

I don’t believe that it’s easy for teenagers without significant crime connections to purchase stolen guns and ammunition in Port Alberni. Maybe easier in Victoria, but you’re still talking about a pretty underground transaction. I’m not saying that it’s impossible, but the probability isn’t high.

The more likely scenario is that at least one of them has a license, more likely McLeod, and the gun/ammunition are legit, and therefore easily traceable.

Exactly my point ... they likely don’t have assault style weapons...?so in order to play out such a fantasy they’d have to had a plan to lure LE into a remote area in order to achieve their end game .

 

[Dre]

If they had planned this out the way it feels like they have, then they would have taken the time to make some sort of connection to get weapons, possible again on the internet unfortunately.. (especially when tech savvy) these dudes seem... determined is kind of the right word lol
Since the sightings of them in Gillam were both before the car was found burning, I’m still inclined to believe they had a plan to escape the minute the flames were engulfing the car.... I might eat my words later but I think the RCMP is not “closing in” on them unfortunately..

 

[Betty P]

With all the videos and discussions of bugs, bears, wolves, and two half-wit suspected murderers on the loose...I'm surprised anyone would want to visit us for a little while.

Because you're nice people who live in a beautiful, unspoiled country. We have bears, bugs and a LOT more crime down here.

 

[LadyL]

Armored SWAT vehicle
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tysm!
those things are really foreboding up close too

 

[SilentSentry]

I live on the north coast of the US and enjoy visiting Canada now and then, usually around Toronto area. Need to go back again. It's a great place, people are very friendly, its safe. I've learned a lot exploring online around the Gillam area. When I was a kid I always thought the Hudson Bay looked cool on the map, so now I'm ready to visit.

Where they are has soooo much hudson bay history too, I'd 100% recommend to anybody to go visit, whether hiking or canoeing. Fur traders used to go up to Moose Factory on the south shore of hudson bay from lake winnipeg and places south and east. They used great big york boats and left wonderful portage trails, its an excellent paddle.

Leave your serial killer friends at home though please xD

 

[SnooperDuper]

I think three outcomes possible are:

a) Suicide
b) Plead guilty, get life with 25 years to parole, age 43-44
c) Plead not guilty, incur $1 million in legal fees, get life with 75 years to parole, age 93-94

(Note on c), because they are young a judge may find that 75 years is cruel and unusual punishment. In the Alexandre Bissonette case, he killed 6 but got 40 years to parole. Bissonette was 27.)

I don't think they will go out in a blaze of glory because Canadian cops don't play that way. They have brought crisis negotiators up to Gillam.

 

[Betty P]

If they had planned this out the way it feels like they have, then they would have taken the time to make some sort of connection to get weapons, possible again on the internet unfortunately. these dudes seem... determined is kind of the right word lol
Since the sightings of them in Gillam were both before the car was found burning, I’m still inclined to believe they had a plan to escape the minute the flames were engulfing the car.... I might eat my words later but unfortunately I think the RCMP is not “closing in” on them unfortunately..

I wonder if the one who wasn't driving was spending time on google maps or somesuch scouting the area and locating some places nearby where they might find shelter. Thinking of any of the abandoned work camps in the area. They're still teens and not yet the brightest at figuring things out. Maybe this seemed like a good idea at the time, but I doubt its working out well for them.

 

[janewall]

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Ask and you shall receive:

 

[1987]

That makes sense. But he has accepted his son's culpability faster than almost anyone I've seen except when the culprit has admitted it (online or something).

maybe son phoned home?

 

[3blue1pink]

Because you're nice people who live in a beautiful, unspoiled country. We have bears, bugs and a LOT more crime down here.

Nicely played
Edited: REALLY NICLEY PLAYED .. FYI all Monterey/Carmel area is waaay more suckish than portrayed on tv

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Exactly my point ... they likely don’t have assault style weapons...?so in order to play out such a fantasy they’d have to had a plan to lure LE into a remote area in order to achieve their end game .

For the reasons explained in the post you quoted, I think that the RCMP know what they have. Based on professional experience with the RCMP, I also don’t think that the RCMP will be in a hurry to kill them. The RCMP negotiation team is on-site.