CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #4

[CherryKitty]

Sad news about Len Dyck

We are aware of reports identifying a body found in Northern B.C. as that of Dr. Leonard Dyck. We can confirm he was a sessional lecturer in the Department of Botany at UBC.

The UBC community is shocked and saddened by this news and we offer our deepest condolences to his family, friends and colleagues at the university. In memoriam of Len Dyck

 

[Errrr]

Money aside, you also have to provide references, they have to have known you for at least 3 years, they have to sign the application and provide contact details, right above the signature line is text reads "if you have any concerns about this application please call 1---xxxx"

It can be hard to get a gun in Canada but there are avenues, such as theft or illegal gun sales, I'd like to think they didn't come by it legally, but who knows.

Do we know if their victims had guns?

 

[LadyL]

I think three outcomes possible are:

a) Suicide
b) Plead guilty, get life with 25 years to parole, age 43-44
c) Plead not guilty, incur $1 million in legal fees, get life with 75 years to parole, age 93-94

(Note on c), because they are young a judge may find that 75 years is cruel and unusual punishment. In the Alexandre Bissonette case, he killed 6 but got 40 years to parole. Bissonette was 27.)

I don't think they will go out in a blaze of glory because Canadian cops don't play that way. They have brought crisis negotiators up to Gillam.

b) 25 years to hone their criminal skills in prison before being dumped on the unsuspecting public to create more havoc and victims because psychopaths can't be rehabilitated

 

[Deleted member 248860]

I think three outcomes possible are:

a) Suicide
b) Plead guilty, get life with 25 years to parole, age 43-44
c) Plead not guilty, incur $1 million in legal fees, get life with 75 years to parole, age 93-94

(Note on c), because they are young a judge may find that 75 years is cruel and unusual punishment. In the Alexandre Bissonette case, he killed 6 but got 40 years to parole. Bissonette was 27.)

I don't think they will go out in a blaze of glory because Canadian cops don't play that way. They have brought crisis negotiators up to Gillam.

They will be defended on Legal Aid. There will be a lot of psychiatric evidence. Consecutive sentences in Canada for murder have only been legal since 2011, are uncommon, and in this case will depend in part on the psychiatric evidence.

 

[SnooperDuper]

b) 25 years to hone their criminal skills in prison before being dumped on the unsuspecting public to create more havoc and victims because psychopaths can't be rehabilitated

Parole is a privilege, not a right. There are lots of murders that spent their whole natural lives in prison here, despite requesting parole at every opportunity, and despite being sentenced under the old law that set the maximum before the possibility of parole at 25 years.

 

[PingTheRouter]

b) 25 years to hone their criminal skills in prison before being dumped on the unsuspecting public to create more havoc and victims because psychopaths can't be rehabilitated

all it takes is for 1 round to go near a cop and all bets are off

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Do we know if their victims had guns?

The Australian/American couple certainly wouldn’t, and it is unlikely that Dyck did, even if he had a gun license. Hunting season isn’t until the fall.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

I think three outcomes possible are:

a) Suicide
b) Plead guilty, get life with 25 years to parole, age 43-44
c) Plead not guilty, incur $1 million in legal fees, get life with 75 years to parole, age 93-94

(Note on c), because they are young a judge may find that 75 years is cruel and unusual punishment. In the Alexandre Bissonette case, he killed 6 but got 40 years to parole. Bissonette was 27.)

I don't think they will go out in a blaze of glory because Canadian cops don't play that way. They have brought crisis negotiators up to Gillam.

These aren't naughty children. They've likely killed 3 people and possible those other two missing 38-year-old men. They are spree killers and will kill again until they are stopped. If they fire upon the RCMP, they will die.

 

[ToneHound]

Holy crap! You’v all been busy while I’ve been catching Z’s The last thread went further than the others.

Was expecting to wake up this morning to find them in custody by now. Unbelievable that a couple of loser teenagers have been able to evade authorities. Mind blowing.
There must be some real p*ssed off cops working this case.

* any new sightings … ?

 

[zoomzoomthecat]

I don't know how to follow a thread with out posting a comment so this is why I am posting this sorry.

 

[Blue Amethyst]

Here it is. It's like a hotel - I've been to similar ones in Fort MacMurray.

Is it abandoned now? It is not very old.

 

[SnooperDuper]

They will be defended on Legal Aid. There will be a lot of psychiatric evidence. Consecutive sentences in Canada for murder have only been legal since 2011, are uncommon, and in this case will depend in part on the psychiatric evidence.

Consecutive sentences are only uncommon because there aren't a lot of people that go out and kill multiple people.

Not criminally responsible verdicts in Canada are limited to people with schizophenia or bipolar disorder with psychotic features who were truly flipping out at the time they committed the murder. As for KM and BS, you don't get any credit/time off for being a psychopath. You have to honestly not know what you are doing or not know that it is morally wrong. These guys know they have done something wrong because they ran and hid and burned two vehicles and a computer to cover their tracks.

 

[Wowdudebummer]

These aren't naughty children. They've likely killed 3 people and possible those other two missing 38-year-old men. They are spree killers and will kill again until they are stopped. If they fire upon the RCMP, they will die.

Any updates on the missing men from surrey?

 

[ToneHound]

These guys know they have done something wrong because they ran and hid and burned two vehicles and a computer to cover their tracks.

Exactly.

 

[Gina20]

Would it be best, once they've found them, to wait until night for the takedown?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I don't know how to follow a thread with out posting a comment so this is why I am posting this sorry.

Right above the first post on each page there is a "watch thread" link

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Any updates on the missing men from surrey?

No. Their Jeep was found 180 miles away from where they disappeared. All I can find is that LE says it's very unusual for these two men to not have contacted their families. So far, LE says their disappearance isn't connected to Fowler's, Deece's, and Dyck's murders.

 

[cody22]

All this waiting with nothing to sleuth on this case, is driving me to excessive coffee drinking.......moo

 

[janewall]

Parole is a privilege, not a right. There are lots of murders that spent their whole natural lives in prison here, despite requesting parole at every opportunity, and despite being sentenced under the old law that set the maximum before the possibility of parole at 25 years.

Given that they've carried out an interprovincial violent crime spree including multiple murders, with RCMP and tactical involvement required in multiple areas, if they live through being captured I see them as candidates for serving out their eventual sentences at the Special Handling Unit (SHU) outside Montreal, the country's highest-security Supermax unit. I also don't see them as shoe-ins for parole, even if they eventually qualify for the hearings. But I predict, based on this spree which seems not to indicate a lot of preplanning or discipline, that they'll snap long before then and do something to delay their eligibility. JMO.

edited to add quoted post

 

[Kiantra]

This pic was posted in a tweet from rcmpmb. Was there any confirmation it was Kam McLeod. Twitter