CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #4

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  • #721
The man who was called in to secure the scene until investigators arrived mentioned that he only noticed a small mark on Fowler other than it didn’t sound like there was obvious injury to them.

If you review the CBC video carefully, there is a cut where he starts describing their appearance. Then he says something like "I can't understand how someone who did this can live with themselves" ...

Of course, US and Australian media reported horrible stuff was done to Chynna, preventing open casket funeral.
 
  • #722
yes but would the fugitives venture there to begin with? I doubt it

They are believed to be in the Gillam area :)
 
  • #723
It's a hydro camp but I doubt they'd go there .There's a ton of little hunting camps and everything . I think they left Gilliam before the rcmp put it together . Either by train or hitch hiking . A lot of people get around out there hitching and they do get rides jmoo

Surely, if someone had given these two a ride either in or out of town before knowing who they are, they know who they are by now, and would tell LE. JMO
 
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I doubt that, if arrested and convicted, they will be in the same prison.

Good point. Although solitary's a possibility. Again, if they live.

I doubt they both will. As pressure builds and they realize the forbidding environment they're in they'll start squabbling and either split up or one will take out the other. JMO.
 
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Surely, if someone had given these two a ride before knowing who they were, they know who they are by now, and would tell LE. JMO
Yes, and I think that’s where one or both of these “confirmed sightings” may have come from.

Someone gave them a ride, then contacted law enforcement when they realized who they gave a ride to.
 
  • #728
Because it was already loaded with camping gear. Probably had extra fuel, blankets, food, water, tent, GPS, etc etc

But by the sounds of it, they left that camping gear in the RAV4. If they were going to go into the wilderness, I don't see the logic in leaving that stuff behind to burn. Again though... not rocket scientists! I really hope the RCMP finds them soon, but I still feel like they could have left before the RCMP even knew they were there.
 
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He's not a Nazi, dad says:
"Alan Schmegelsky said Thursday that his son took him to an army surplus store about eight months ago in his small Vancouver Island hometown of Port Alberni, where the teen was excited about the Nazi artifacts.

“I was disgusted and dragged him out,” Schmegelsky said. “My grandparents fled the Ukraine with three small children during the Second World War.”

The teens are charged with second-degree murder in the death of one man and are suspects in the fatal shootings of a young couple. On Thursday, the manhunt was focused on the thick and boggy forests of northeastern Manitoba.

Despite his son’s fascination with the collectibles, Schmegelsky said he didn’t believe his son identified as a neo-Nazi.

“He thought he was Russian. Germans are their enemies,” he said.

The father, who is estranged from the teen’s mother, explained that he didn’t see his son between the ages of eight and 16, and during that time the boy came under the mistaken belief that he had Russian heritage.

He enjoys watching Russian rap videos, where the artists “wear Adidas and drink vodka,” Schmegelsky said, adding his son is a supporter of Russian President Vladimir Putin and United States President Donald Trump.

“I argued with him about that, in a friendly manner,” the father said. “He liked strong speakers.”

Schmegelsky said it was possible his son went back to the store later to buy the memorabilia, but it’s also possible he took a photo in the store or it’s staged.

The army surplus store, called Harreson’s Military Store, has since closed and the former owner didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

Alfred Bergkvist, owner of “A” Company Military Surplus in nearby Coombs, said he purchased all of Harreson’s merchandise, including some Nazi material, when it closed.

Bergkvist said he didn’t recognize the red Nazi armband in the photograph but his store also stocked Hitler Youth knives identical to the one in the picture.

He recalled that two boys came into his store about three weeks ago and bought one of the replica knives that are inscribed with the German words for “blood and honour.”

“They were really excited about it,” he said, adding he didn’t know whether the pair were Schmegelsky and McLeod and he doesn’t have security cameras.

Schmegelsky allegedly sent the photos to a user of the video-game network Steam. The two suspects most recently logged onto their accounts 13 days ago, about the time they told family they were leaving Port Alberni in search of work."
rest of article: B.C. murder suspect not a neo-Nazi, dad says
 
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They are believed to be in the Gillam area :)

I know that. You referenced them crossing the border into Ontario. I don't think they would because there's nothing there for them.
 
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I'm starting to wonder this.

First kill near home, then head "off to find work" when you already have a job. And odd timing because apparently one of their families was about to go on vacation.

Head north to hide, not sure they ever actually made it to Yukon and after all BS dad was told Alberta. Kill a nice young couple who were an easy target then move on in the night.

You're young and start freaking out a little so you decide to kill a man for his car, burn all your stuff to cover your tracks then run as far and as fast as you possibly can.

I, for whatever it's worth, think something mechanical likely happened to the RAV4, flat tire, pot holes gave them issues, etc. and forced them to ditch it. I don't think they had a back up car at that point.
Wonder if there were any prior armed robberies that occurred, in this time frame.Seems like they were in a panic to ditch their vehicle.
 
  • #735
He's not a Nazi, dad says:
"Alan Schmegelsky said Thursday that his son took him to an army surplus store about eight months ago in his small Vancouver Island hometown of Port Alberni, where the teen was excited about the Nazi artifacts.

“I was disgusted and dragged him out,” Schmegelsky said. “My grandparents fled the Ukraine with three small children during the Second World War.”

The teens are charged with second-degree murder in the death of one man and are suspects in the fatal shootings of a young couple. On Thursday, the manhunt was focused on the thick and boggy forests of northeastern Manitoba.

Despite his son’s fascination with the collectibles, Schmegelsky said he didn’t believe his son identified as a neo-Nazi.

“He thought he was Russian. Germans are their enemies,” he said.

The father, who is estranged from the teen’s mother, explained that he didn’t see his son between the ages of eight and 16, and during that time the boy came under the mistaken belief that he had Russian heritage.

He enjoys watching Russian rap videos, where the artists “wear Adidas and drink vodka,” Schmegelsky said, adding his son is a supporter of Russian President Vladimir Putin and United States President Donald Trump.

“I argued with him about that, in a friendly manner,” the father said. “He liked strong speakers.”

Schmegelsky said it was possible his son went back to the store later to buy the memorabilia, but it’s also possible he took a photo in the store or it’s staged.

The army surplus store, called Harreson’s Military Store, has since closed and the former owner didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

Alfred Bergkvist, owner of “A” Company Military Surplus in nearby Coombs, said he purchased all of Harreson’s merchandise, including some Nazi material, when it closed.

Bergkvist said he didn’t recognize the red Nazi armband in the photograph but his store also stocked Hitler Youth knives identical to the one in the picture.

He recalled that two boys came into his store about three weeks ago and bought one of the replica knives that are inscribed with the German words for “blood and honour.”

“They were really excited about it,” he said, adding he didn’t know whether the pair were Schmegelsky and McLeod and he doesn’t have security cameras.

Schmegelsky allegedly sent the photos to a user of the video-game network Steam. The two suspects most recently logged onto their accounts 13 days ago, about the time they told family they were leaving Port Alberni in search of work."
rest of article: B.C. murder suspect not a neo-Nazi, dad says

This is kind of ironic. Canadian Ukrainians who left during or after the war hated the Soviet Union with a passion. They were major players in the Free Ukraine movement. Growing up, this kid couldn’t have had any sense of his heritage to be pro-Russian/pro-Putin. I guess, as his father says, he got it into his head that he was Russian rather than Ukrainian :)
 
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  • #736
Dave MacDonald of the Canadian International School of Survival speaking to CBC News Network, says it could take days to months to find the two in the woods.

I hope not, because at some point the search will cost too much and be called off.
 
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This pic was posted in a tweet from rcmpmb. Was there any confirmation it was Kam McLeod. Twitter

No confirmation but I believe other sleuthers determined the person in the photo height about 5'10 which is too short for KM.

MOO
 
  • #739
I know that. You referenced them crossing the border into Ontario. I don't think they would because there's nothing there for them.

No, I’m talking about the OPP aircraft being used just across the border in the Gillam area :)
 
  • #740
This pic was posted in a tweet from rcmpmb. Was there any confirmation it was Kam McLeod. Twitter
Thanks for posting this I was looking for an image like this or this one for a few days now. Thanks
 
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