CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #5

[totom1]

I don't think they were ever sincere about "work". The five weeks at Walmart were only to set up an excuse, and likely pilfer stuff from Walmart for their upcoming Big Trip, and to get gramma or someone to lend them the pickup and camper to get going.

We've calculated they both probably took home ~$875Canadian for there Walmart stint, so it's not like they could buy anything with that. They probably used that all up on burner phones, a weapon and ammo, maybe some fake ID's.

And it's not as if they're going to walk into the Winnipeg RCMP office and declare they've seen the error of their ways.

They knew when they started that there was going to be no going back. And there is no going back now.

I just find it odd that they actually lugged around a computer tower. If they didn't have any intentions of actually moving anywhere, why the computer? Theoretically they could camp out and play games inside the camper if they had access to power, but then internet would be very limited and so would their gaming (RUST is an online game).

 

[Deleted member 248860]

I haven't heard any reports during the last few days of the OPP setting up a checkpoint of any sort at the provincial border with Manitoba. Highway 17/TransCanada Highway is the only road that allows passage from Manitoba to Ontario, and if the suspects were traveling by car or other motor vehicle, it's the only way they could continue traveling eastbound.

If there was a checkpoint on the TransCanada Highway at the Manitoba-Ontario border, it would be news and widely reported.

As two of us who are familiar with that area have pointed out, if these guys got to the border area the smart thing would have been to steal a canoe or two and head out Lake of the Woods. It is vast, has 14,500 islands, many vacant cabins and straddles the Canada-US border.

I spent teenage summers at Lake of the Woods. With a canoe and minimal gear, it would be a great place to hide, including through the fall and winter. The fact that it straddles the Canada-US border would also be attractive.

 

[minn77]

I just find it odd that they actually lugged around a computer tower. If they didn't have any intentions of actually moving anywhere, why the computer? Theoretically they could camp out and play games inside the camper if they had access to power, but then internet would be very limited and so would their gaming (RUST is an online game).

Computer=life to a gamer

 

[M_Shelll1]

Does Canadian law have any rules about charging people within X amount of time? Even if they didn’t have the boys in physical custody, do they still have to formally file charges within a certain timeframe of the investigation? <modsnip>

Some crimes have time limitations but not murder, they can charge at anytime

 

[sleuth3000]

Nothing huge but a few little tidbits in this recent article
At very least, I think I was wrong about the "other side of the tracks" angle. Seems BS was "spoiled"
Seems his mother was "afraid of his outbursts"
Seems when he played online games, more than actually compete, he would dig around for personal details about his opponents then use the info to harass them into quitting.

If you ‘inadvertently’ helped two suspected killers escape, please come forward, RCMP urge | canada.com | Canada's great, shareable stories

Note again the characterization of BS as off, angry, unstable. and of KM as considerate, "down to earth"
I was kindof wondering at first if that was just media bias but it seems thats more or less everyones impression.
this last bit is the most meaningless, but even the families, KM's says "he is lovING" BS says "he is lovED"

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

They can use Google Maps to trace a possible route from Dease Lake to the remote town of Gillam in Manitoba that would have taken Schmegelsky and McLeod through Saskatchewan's Meadow Lake, where they were caught on camera.

They can email tips to police, discuss theories of crime in online forums and — in some cases — hope their dashcam footage might have caught the accused as they drove past.

told you guys the media is following this thread haha

Huh? Is there supposed to be a link?

 

[Herat]

I just find it odd that they actually lugged around a computer tower. If they didn't have any intentions of actually moving anywhere, why the computer? Theoretically they could camp out and play games inside the camper if they had access to power, but then internet would be very limited and so would their gaming (RUST is an online game).

Because ALL their planning for this adventure, all their communications with others, all their lists, all the information that would condemn them as spree killers and show their escape plans would be available to whomever found it at home. That would be one of the first places LE would look

 

[totom1]

Computer=life to a gamer

I'm a gamer myself and built my own PC gaming rig but if I planned on going out on some sort of killing spree I definitely would have no use for it anymore. In fact, I'd be selling it for more cash.

 

[Kaley Smith]

Earlier when I said "I'll be noticing every young man who is skinny and over 6 feet tall", I meant that is how ON ALERT people in this province are for these guys. As I went to the grocery store this morning, I noticed 2 tall young guys at the bus stop. One had a skateboard though, and neither looked much over 6 ft. Normally, I wouldn't have noticed these guys at all.

In other words, if they come out of the bush, they WILL be spotted in my opinion, even if they have disguised their appearance. You can't hide your height really.

 

[totom1]

Huh? Is there supposed to be a link?

There's so few roads to choose from when going through Sask and Manitoba. There's nearly a 100% chance that these drove right past my grandparents' house right off the highway and were within 500 meters of them. Like, I'd almost bet my life on it. I'm from Northern Sask and familiar with the roads.

 

[PingTheRouter]

Huh? Is there supposed to be a link?

sorry i am half asleep its 3am here wait nope its 1:41am
yeah there was suppose to be a link, its about how the case has captured the world, that was just a paragraph about who is doing what where, and the forums i am pretty sure is a nod to here, i caught some other reporters the other day talking about Ws on twitter briefly as well
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...egelsky-mcleod-north-canada-1.5227088?cmp=rss

 

[Justatheory]

If there was a checkpoint on the TransCanada Highway at the Manitoba-Ontario border, it would be news and widely reported.

As two of us who are familiar with that area have pointed out, if these guys got to the border area the smart thing would have been to steal a canoe and head out Lake of the Woods. It is vast, has 14,500 islands, many vacant cabins and straddles the Canada-US border.

Yes, you'd probably have a better chance of evading capture on the water. I mean, interdiction along Highway 17 is a no-brainer. I'd be disappointed to learn that the authorities weren't monitoring that route closely. The authorities would have some explaining to do if the suspects actually crossed the provincial border by car.

 

[minn77]

Because ALL their planning for this adventure, all their communications with others, all their lists, all the information that would condemn them as spree killers and show their escape plans would be available to whomever found it at home. That would be one of the first places LE would look

Anyone who knows anything about computers would have taken the important part and left the rest if they had no plans on using it...not lug around a whole computer. Just my thoughts

 

[ktm44]

I know they keep it locked up in the sporting goods section, but if they keep stock in the back, is that locked up as well? That's where my mind was going in regards to the ammo is them taking a box here or there from the back of it isn't locked up

Yes, the valuable/restricted items are kept locked in steel cages in the back of the store and as Walmart employees, they would know that. The back area is not as large as people think and most of the inventory comes in daily on trucks. Less used items come in as the computer shows supplies are running low. There would be little, if any ammo in the back and it would be difficult for someone not employed by the store to get into that area and if they did, they would likely need to enter the back side of the building via a door that is supposed to be kept locked. Policy got reinforced on that one after the store I worked at, was closed for several hours because of a bomb threat.

To access the back area, they would need a vest as well as the standard issue nametag, which carry's a barcode, used for time clocks and to enter cetain areas, as well as access the keys lockbox.

If they happened to make it to the back and it happened that they were unloading trucks and ammo was among the things being unloaded, it still wouldn't be easy to access because items like that come on a pallet with similar miscellaneous items, all very tightly wrapped. Employees are present when trucks are unloaded and each is tasked with a very specific job. Someone is there to take clothing and ready it for the floor, someone is putting security alarms on electronics and someone else is moving items for the locked cage, others start assembling things like bikes and others are grabbing boxes to be crushed.

The whole process looks is done with a supervisor present, there are more cameras in the back than there is in the front and even one extra body will cause a huge uproar. Theft in the back is a greater concern for Walmart than shrinkage in the front because items haven't been added to inventory so smart employees learn quickly that it's unwise to put their hands in their pockets for any reason and caught in the back without Walmart ID is grounds for dismissal and you will have enough time to pick up your possessions from your locker and you will be escorted out of the store.

Having worked there, I would assume both would know that and I would suggest they were hoping to find the ammo and airsoft ammo in the same display case. I'd hate to say it's not done anymore but it's not supposed to be because the belief is that someone could steal ammo, while asking for the display case to be opened for airsoft pellets.

 

[Crumble]

Because ALL their planning for this adventure, all their communications with others, all their lists, all the information that would condemn them as spree killers and show their escape plans would be available to whomever found it at home. That would be one of the first places LE would look

If that was the case it would have been easier to just take out the hard drive.

 

[totom1]

Because ALL their planning for this adventure, all their communications with others, all their lists, all the information that would condemn them as spree killers and show their escape plans would be available to whomever found it at home. That would be one of the first places LE would look

Just pull the hard drive? It's literally as simple as that. Bryer is a gamer. He'd know this.

 

[Gina20]

Quick question: did these two go anywhere near CFB Cold Lake while there? Just wondering out loud if Bryer might have wanted to see it, while dressed in his camo.

 

[PingTheRouter]

Just pull the hard drive? It's literally as simple as that.

i don't wanna give anyone any ideas but "cough" electro magnet "cough"

 

[Peace777]

I found a topographical pic of Gilliam on an online newspaper and seen this image/symbol up in the upper left corner. Look up "circle with x" on google. Interesting. I tried to link the page here but it went funny and gave a WS something error. Might not mean anything but still odd JMO

 

[sleuth3000]

Quick question: did these two go anywhere near CFB cold Lake while there? Just wondering out loud if Bryer might havdme wanted to see it, whike dressed in his camo.

doubtful. a "north end" resident found them stuck on a "trail" behind their house. Seems they were doing their best to avoid populated areas as much as possible. even the stores and stuff they were at were pretty isolated and may have seemed "safe" at the time since the manhunt hadnt really blown up when they were still being sighted