CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #5

[dumpater]

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jmo

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[Gina20]

Yeah. We see people stealing from crash victims in third world countries.

I definitely wouldn’t expect that to happen at a murder scene in Canada.

I too think this is very unlikely.

Well, that's me told.

The Alaska Highway is the land route in and out of the Yukon and Alaska. The Yukon has drug problems run by organized crime. There are murders related to the drug trade and everything. Alaska attracts certain elements, too.

Further south on the Alaska Highway are oil towns that are plagued with problems from the drug trade and organized crime, too. It runs all up and down that highway. I am sorry to dispel myths.

So, it is not all old romantic Robert Frost tales of yore. Some Canadians are not nice. And many of the people on that highway are not Canadians or even Americans, for that matter.

ETA: Investigation shows how Alaska residents collaborate with the Sinaloa Cartel - The Mazatlán Post

 

[NorthernWild]

It’s not that hard a point blank range, even for an amateur.

I think these murders were up close and personal.

Yes, if your intended victim is complying or caught completely by surprise at point blank range. Both of these factors depend a lot on choice of intended victim.

If someone other than a police officer points a gun at me, I’m certainly not standing still and complying. Shooting an erratically moving target is a lot harder than those who haven’t tried it might think.

 

[enelram]

Yeah. We see people stealing from crash victims in third world countries.

I definitely wouldn’t expect that to happen at a murder scene in Canada.

I too think this is very unlikely.

Well sorry to disagree.
Northern Ky./Cinci area isn't quite third world,
My mother observed residents who all converged on a airplane crash where all
aboard both planes were deceased. The neighbors were rifling through the belongings
including the bodies, to steal wallets and valuables. It does, indeed, happen.

 

[Gina20]

A "burly trucker." I'm not sure I would even call that a stereotype. Most truckers are not "burly."

And Lucas was a pretty big guy. He was clearly not chosen because he looked like a wimp.

So this line of reasoning is just completely wrong.

If it was a trucker that they came upon, broken down at the side of the road, it might be a trucker dead right now.

Mr. Dyck was chosen either because he tried to give them a ride, or they ambushed him when he happened to stop where they were waiting. It could have been anybody.

My opinion and yours do not align. So be it.

 

[merrymary]

Great!

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2pm Mountain (I remembered Mountain time!)
3pm Central time
4pm Eastern time

I don't have a link - so post if you have one.

jmo

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[NorthernWild]

Question for the posters. Has anyone actually been to the Alaska Highway, along that particular stretch? I have been on the Alaska Highway, but not to that location.

Yes, several times on that particular stretch.

EDIT: And many times on highway 37 through Dease Lake including crime scenes south of it.

 

[AddyFinch]

Agree

 

[MassGuy]

Well sorry to disagree.
Northern Ky./Cinci area isn't quite third world,
My mother observed residents who all converged on a airplane crash where all
aboard both planes were deceased. The neighbors were rifling through the belongings
including the bodies, to steal wallets and valuables. It does, indeed, happen.

That wasn’t a murder scene though.

Which was the second part of my point.

 

[Snoop Sister]

That was a good interview. I'll bet she's very good at her job. I can see exactly what she is saying. The tension in the relationship may be very very high right now, when they can't agree on a plan of action and could split apart. That would decrease their chances of survival, although it might also make their chances of apprehension by LE more difficult.

I still maintain that they will stay together....they are childhood friends after all. Plus, they feed of each other. Jmo

 

[Snoop Sister]

Question for the posters. Has anyone actually been to the Alaska Highway, along that particular stretch? I have been on the Alaska Highway, but not to that location.

I have but not for awhile. It was my intention to go up the Alaskan highway this summer. My dad lived up there for years. What is it you want to know?

 

[afitzy]

Source: CBC News
Manhunt continues for two Canadian teens connected to three murders
Police across Canada are continuing to search for two teens who have been named as suspects in the deaths of three people in northern BC. The search is focused in northern Manitoba, where the suspects were last seen.

Good high level visual of what RCMP are dealing with in Manitoba IMO:

 

[turbotwo]

Yes, the proximity to the road suggests they may have had a breakdown, or two flat tires or such that rendered the vehicle useless without repair.

An unforced error of huge proportions, perhaps

I think this is highly probable. PR 280 has a reputation for being among the worst roads in the province. A Toyota Rav4 is not an appropriate vehicle for that road, most people who drive the road regularly would do so in a more rugged truck with two spare wheels. Some sections have improved as Manitoba Hydro invests in reconstructing the road to facilitate more construction traffic, however I wouldn't be surprised if the suspects don't even know how to change a tire. They may have had a flat, a breakdown, or simply ran out of fuel and had no choice but to abandon the vehicle and proceed on foot.

 

[MistyWaters]

A "burly trucker." I'm not sure I would even call that a stereotype. Most truckers are not "burly."

And Lucas was a pretty big guy. He was clearly not chosen because he looked like a wimp.

So this line of reasoning is just completely wrong.

If it was a trucker that they came upon, broken down at the side of the road, it might be a trucker dead right now.

Mr. Dyck was chosen either because he tried to give them a ride, or they ambushed him when he happened to stop where they were waiting. It could have been anybody.

Well for one thing, we don’t know if the pair allegedly spotted LF and CD outside the van or if they were inside the van sleeping. But just in itself, an a ‘80s older van with Alberta licence plates could give the appearance of young people on an adventurer who probably aren’t armed. An possible easier target for robbery.

On the other hand the van doesn’t exactly scream out the occupants were loaded with cash. So I wonder if hoping to rob the occupants of drugs or alcohol was involved in the initial motive. As the families believed the suspects were heading to Whitehorse to seek employment as opposed to a joytrip or vacation, I doubt the two were flush with unlimited funds beyond a direct trip there.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Survivalist: This isn’t the Cook Islands

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[MassGuy]

Well for one thing, we don’t know if the pair allegedly spotted LF and CD outside the van or if they were inside the van sleeping. But just in itself, an a ‘80s older van with Alberta licence plates could give the appearance of young people on an adventurer who probably aren’t armed. An possible easier target for robbery.

On the other hand the van doesn’t exactly scream out the occupants were loaded with cash. So I wonder if hoping to rob the occupants of drugs or alcohol was involved in the initial motive. As the families believed the suspects were heading to Whitehorse to seek employment as opposed to a joytrip or vacation, I doubt the two were flush with unlimited funds beyond a direct trip there.

Yeah. I tend to think that murder for murder’s sake was the primary motive.

Robbery would have been gravy.

These were easy targets though, so robbery still could have been the driving force.

Who knows.

 

[Satchie]

I'm not sure whether this has been discussed: If they had gone on foot after burning their car around 7 pm on Monday, would they even know there was a manhunt happening there now?

They were only identified on the news as being in Gillam area on Wednesday, two days later.
- did they bring cell phone(s)?
- would there be cell service that they could check the news?
- if they could, how long would their juice last, even conserving it carefully?

 

[MassGuy]

Survivalist: This isn’t the Cook Islands

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I don’t think the elements themselves are going to kill them.

I think they may force their hand though, in the form of trying to escape, or committing suicide.

 

[MassGuy]

I'm not sure whether this has been discussed: If they had gone on foot after burning their car around 7 pm on Monday, would they even know there was a manhunt happening there now?

They were only identified on the news as being in Gillam area on Wednesday, two days later.
- did they bring cell phone(s)?
- would there be cell service that they could check the news?
- if they could, how long would their juice last, even conserving it carefully?

I get the feeling that they do know, as it’s possible that they could have spotted the police presence over the past couple days (from a distance).

If they don’t know from that, then what you suggest (phone) may have clued them in.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

I don’t think the elements themselves are going to kill them.

I think they may force their hand though, in the form of trying to escape, or committing suicide.

Without shelter or the right clothing, in time 10°C/50°F plus rain = hypothermia.