CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #6

[Gardenista]

I don't know about other provinces, but I know here in Saskatchewan, a lot of smaller communities have First Responders, they will get called out to accidents/emergencies, I assume they have some sort of training, no where near as extensive as a paramedic, but can still help while waiting for emergency services.

On another note...

on twitter, following the #canadamanhunt hashtag, someone has posted a photo of a digital sign on the Alaska Hwy that RCMP are looking for dash cam video from July 14/15 near Muncho Lake. Apparently this was put out on Thursday, but I don't recall that it was posted here or stated in any articles, so thought I would share. Those that know the timeline much better than me can probably tell me what they might be looking for?

Good catch, I don't remember seeing this. Here is the tweet about it from a verified reporter

Nadia Stewart on Twitter

 

[Gina20]

The Meadow Lake, SK Co-op is about 800 miles from Gillam, MB, so yes, they would definitely have had the RAV4 at that point. Its about a 14 hour drive. And likely something like 4 tanks of gas = possibly 4 gas stops along the way.

Interestingly, the directions seem a bit complicated. I'm thinking they had internet access for a Google search, or they had some good local maps to do this route. Did they buy maps in a gas station? Why is there no footage of that.
Google Maps

One member here posted the possible northern route yesterday.

Yes, where is the footage from all the places they stopped for gas? Although as someone else pointed out, they could have been siphoning. Maybe that's how they ended up in an alley in Cold Lake. Maybe they also stole farm gas, or purple gas. People do this.

 

[Peace777]

There were two sets of tires tracks where LD was found. Someone posted an image yesterday. On TV, the tire tracks were overlapping, as if one vehicle parked directly on top of the other's tracks. They didn't walk, IMO.

Who could have been right there after LD's body was found and then to take photos? Then later to post the evidence online? That would be considered police evidence would it not? The same for the van crime scene and where KF and CD's bodies may have been located. JMO

 

[sprucetip]

Desperate people do stupid things. Desperate teenagers do ridiculously stupid things.

True but they sure didn’t look desperate in that video from Meadow Lake. Maybe they got more desperate as they hit the end of the road.

 

[missy1974]

Good catch, I don't remember seeing this. Here is the tweet about it from a verified reporter

Nadia Stewart on Twitter

Thanks! I was trying to find a source for it that I could post but admittedly didn't try very hard haha It's Sunday...

 

[otto]

At this time, I believe any question or concern regarding the vehicle registration and/or plates was resolved by reference to the Motor Vehicle Act of BC. There is also no evidence that the Owner's Certificate contained an incorrect address, or invalid insurance for that matter.

I disagree that the foreign tourist couple obviously overlooked anything. There's no proof of that! I think it just the opposite, Canada was not the couple's first rodeo, and seems to me, they were well informed, global travelers.

I came of driving age in late 80's and learned more than I ever wanted to know about fuel delivery systems, rich air-fuel mixture, and vacuum leaks, as this was the era when vehicles were being converted from carburetors to fuel injection systems. (I was also victim to many mechanics that took advantage of this era until grasping that it's not necessary to tow your vehicle to the shop for a flooded engine)!

A mechanic and his wife stopped to offer mechanical assistance, and cited their confidence in Lucas' diagnosis and perhaps they even discussed his remedy at length. Maybe Lucas planned to pick up a clamp, valve, or minor part on MONDAY, and until then enjoy their lunch and/or camp spot.

They were parked just outside of Liard Hot Springs, maybe they were planning to walk there. Maybe they sat in their lawn chairs and mapped out their route for the coming week. We don't know what they did Sunday evening but I think it's grossly unfair to say they sat around and did nothing to solve their problem! They were, and will always be victims.

MOO

We know that Lucas owned the van and that he bought it in BC.
We know that Lucas lived and worked in BC.

We know the van was registered in Alberta. Why was the vehicle registered in Alberta, and what address might have been used to insure and register the vehicle in Alberta?

They are indeed victims. I am still curious why they did not have a sense of urgency to get the vehicle working, and why they did not know that they cannot camp on the side of a highway.

 

[sprucetip]

I don't know about other provinces, but I know here in Saskatchewan, a lot of smaller communities have First Responders, they will get called out to accidents/emergencies, I assume they have some sort of training, no where near as extensive as a paramedic, but can still help while waiting for emergency services.

On another note...

on twitter, following the #canadamanhunt hashtag, someone has posted a photo of a digital sign on the Alaska Hwy that RCMP are looking for dash cam video from July 14/15 near Muncho Lake. Apparently this was put out on Thursday, but I don't recall that it was posted here or stated in any articles, so thought I would share. Those that know the timeline much better than me can probably tell me what they might be looking for?

Right we do have those here too but it’s volunteer based and some communities don’t have any first responders.

The RCMP had that sign for dash cam video up not long after they discovered the bodies. Interesting it’s still up.

 

[scrappinkat]

Police to family, possibly:

Your son is missing. His vehicle was abandoned and burnt. Would you like to file a missing persons report?

Copied from a news article “The case began as a missing persons investigation after police found the young men's pickup truck in flames near Dease Lake, but authorities revealed Tuesday that the Port Alberni residents are actually suspects in three killings in the province's north.”

 

[gitana1]

Well, they don’t look moth eaten! Same time of year too.

There's no way the photos of them in that articles were taken after their ordeal.

 

[10ofRods]

Your friend is not that bright. Google maps literally gives you the drive time.

She's actually head of a trauma unit at UCLA. She never travels, so she just looked at the map and the place names. She's quite bright. She herself has never been out of the LA/San Diego area of California.

And most of my students are quite bright, but it takes 2-3 weeks in the lab until everyone can use google maps, switch between road map and terrain, analyze what they see and find "easter eggs" that might be hidden. It's true that some of the exercises require a bit of lateral thinking...

Over on TripAdvisor, we constantly have to tell people how to use google maps. Websleuths is a very different kind of community, much more specialized and way more skilled with internet tools.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

We know that Lucas owned the van and that he bought it in BC.
We know that Lucas lived and worked in BC.

We know the van was registered in Alberta. Why was the vehicle registered in Alberta, and what address might have been used to insure and register the vehicle in Alberta?

What difference does it make?

 

[Herat]

They were parked just outside of Liard Hot Springs, maybe they were planning to walk there. Maybe they sat in their lawn chairs and mapped out their route for the coming week. We don't know what they did Sunday evening but I think it's grossly unfair to say they sat around and did nothing to solve their problem! They were, and will always be victims.

They were 20 km ( ~ 12 miles) south of Liard Hot Springs so I don't believe they would attempt to walk there.

If they had taken up on a lift to Liard to get some assistance, Lucas wouldn't likely have left Chynna there by herself. So the both of them would have had to pack their valuables and some other important stuff and leave the van there, hoping no one would vandalize it in their absence.

They felt safe enough there that they just thought they could wait and work on it in the morning.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Since LE is going back today and checking areas they have already checked, they must be REALLY convinced they are still in Gillam. I hope they are right.

I’m wondering if they were able to track their phones. I realize the phones would be dead by now unless they have a way of charging them/have help. But the still, I wonder why they seem so certain even now. And I’m hoping they are right.

Or, perhaps they are on their tail elsewhere and distracting from that by seeming to focus elsewhere.

 

[MassGuy]

True but they sure didn’t look desperate in that video from Meadow Lake. Maybe they got more desperate as they hit the end of the road.

Or when they were identified as murder suspects.

I’m sure they know by now.

 

[Herat]

The churchill train is known to go slow and make stops to pick up people along the tracks, with or without tickets. Its possible they jumped on without being noticed while the train stopped to pick up someone else. Would have been pure luck, but i think luck has been on their side.

That's certainly a possibility. There's nothing to indicate they went to Churchill, but they could have bailed near one of the smaller communities. You'd think someone would have noticed two tall strangers. And if they went into the bush from there, there would have been smoke from a campfire, if only to smoke away the insects.

 

[minn77]

That's certainly a possibility. There's nothing to indicate they went to Churchill, but they could have bailed near one of the smaller communities. You'd think someone would have noticed two tall strangers. And if they went into the bush from there, there would have been smoke from a campfire, if only to smoke away the insects.

Its tourist season, and the passenger train is full of them. The passenger train to churchill goes right past my house in saskatchewan

 

[sprucetip]

I've also struggled to understand why, if they were stranded at 3:30PM on Sunday, they did not do anything to solve the problem. If they were at home, would they just sit on the side of a highway, 4 hours from the nearest populated area, and hope the van miraculously started working again?

Sounds like Lucas had a good handle on the problem and wasn't concerned. Even the mechanic who stopped to help said so, that they thought he’d get it going again. Plus, it’s summer, a beautiful area, they were in no rush. I don’t think it’s unusual at all.

I’ve been stranded on the Alaska Highway numerous times! Sometimes I can fix the issue and don’t even ask for help, other times (like at -30 in November at midnight), I don’t hesitate to wave someone down. Luckily it’s always been super helpful people.

 

[Satchie]

And if they had not burned their truck, would they even be on LE’s radar for the first two murders? Or would we still be looking for a guy who matches the sketch?

I just can’t comprehend why they did this.

I don't know either. I have two scenarios:
1. they suddenly lost confidence that they could get away with it, panicked and decided to go for broke to escape being caught, or
2. The first murders empowered them to give the middle finger to their families and social expectations, they decided to be true outlaws for the thrill of it.

So basically, were they motivated by fear or thrill, or maybe the thrill was a way to overcome the fear.

 

[otto]

What difference does it make?

It tells us something about the victims, and it is in the context of the discussion about whether people take risks in foreign countries that they would not take at home. As I said in the original context, they were 4 hours from the nearest populated area and I don't understand why the murdered couple did not feel more urgency to solve the disabled vehicle problem.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I'm with you about sad. I'm so sad. I feel so bad that two beautiful, happy in love people were taken from their families. I feel so guilty that we couldn't protect them better. I hate that a kind, educated man was killed for no reason; I mourn for his family. As a Canadian I just thought we were better then this.

This is not Canada’s fault; you guys ARE good! It’s not any country’s fault IMO. It is entirely sad and tragic.