CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #6

[LadyL]

One member here posted the possible northern route yesterday.

Yes, where is the footage from all the places they stopped for gas? Although as someone else pointed out, they could have been siphoning. Maybe that's how they ended up in an alley in Cold Lake. Maybe they also stole farm gas, or purple gas. People do this.

what is purple gas?

 

[FactFinder3000]

We know that Lucas owned the van and that he bought it in BC.
We know that Lucas lived and worked in BC.

We know the van was registered in Alberta. Why was the vehicle registered in Alberta, and what address might have been used to insure and register the vehicle in Alberta?

They are indeed victims. I am still curious why they did not have a sense of urgency to get the vehicle working, and why they did not know that they cannot camp on the side of a highway.

This is going nowhere and should just be dropped, imho.

The van was registered in Alberta because it was registered in Alberta. Perhaps we're not understanding just what "registered" means. It means that it was on file with the province of Alberta as an Alberta vehicle. So he bought an Alberta vehicle. Just because it happened to be in BC when he bought it doesn't mean it couldn't be an Alberta vehicle.

eta: assuming, of course, that your claim it was registered in Alberta is correct

 

[Deleted member 248860]

It tells us something about the victims, and it is in the context of the discussion about whether people take risks in foreign countries that they would not take at home. As I said in the original context, they were 4 hours from the nearest populated area and I don't understand why the murdered couple did not feel more urgency to solve the disabled vehicle problem.

It doesn’t tell us anything that has any relevance to this murder.

I wouldn’t drive a 1986, 33 year old van up there in the first place, but I have money, I’m not 23 and I’m not Mr. FixIt when it comes to 33 year old vans.

So what? Who cares about the registration, the insurance, whether he was right or wrong not to call a tow truck?

You might as well ask why he was on the Alaska Highway in a 33 year old vehicle.

None of this has anything to do with Fowler and his girlfriend minding their own business and getting murdered.

 

[Seattle1]

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Canadian Armed Forces’ Hercules has touched down in Gillam again - weather not favourable today.@9NewsAUS @TheTodayShow

11:34 AM - 28 Jul 2019 pst

 

[greenfern]

what is purple gas?

Dyed fuel that has no road tax built into the price. Meant to be used in tractors and other vehicles that don't go on the road. Often farms will have a tank in the yard for filling such vehicles.

 

[SteveP]

If the vehicle was stranded at 3:30PM and still stranded at 11:30PM, then the problem was not a flooded engine. I don't understand why a couple in a broken down vehicle, 4 hours from the nearest populated area, did not act with more urgency. Sure, they were on vacation and it was nice scenery, but was that a tourist decision or something they would do at home?

It very possibly was just a matter of not having, or wanting to spend, the money it would have cost to have the van towed to a town 4 hours away, and then having to stay somewhere in that town for a night or more while a repair, one that LF thought he could do himself, was done. They were only the second day into what was going to be a rather long driving adventure, and even if they had the money, they probably had not budgeted an expensive tow and repair into their plans. JMO

 

[Seattle1]

Alexis Daish‏Verified account @LexiDaish
Consistent rain falling here in Gillam today - the military’s Hercules aircraft is helping the search but may be hindered by lightning in the area. Police at the station tell me they’re now re-checking places they’re already checked.@9NewsAUS @TheTodayShow

10:46 AM - 28 Jul 2019 pst

 

[otto]

Yeah, so he could buy a house for himself and his son.


This is going nowhere and should just be dropped, imho.

The van was registered in Alberta because it was registered in Alberta. Perhaps we're not understanding just what "registered" means. It means that it was on file with the province of Alberta as an Alberta vehicle. So he bought an Alberta vehicle. Just because it happened to be in BC when he bought it doesn't mean it couldn't be an Alberta vehicle.

I realize that it is difficult to understand that there is something irregular here.

Imagine you live in Texas and you buy a vehicle in Texas. You then realize that insurance is cheaper in California so you drive to California, insure the vehicle and get California plates. Then you drive home to Texas. Would there be a problem with that?

 

[sprucetip]

I'm with you about sad. I'm so sad. I feel so bad that two beautiful, happy in love people were taken from their families. I feel so guilty that we couldn't protect them better. I hate that a kind, educated man was killed for no reason; I mourn for his family. As a Canadian I just thought we were better then this.

I’m with you. Being from the Yukon, and knowing that Lucas and Chynna were coming up here for the same reasons I and many others came up, is heart wrenching. Many of us have done that drive in crappy, old vehicles, looking for adventure, enjoying life. It’s so sad, they would have fit in perfectly and had a blast touring the Yukon and Alaska.

 

[gitana1]

She's actually head of a trauma unit at UCLA. She never travels, so she just looked at the map and the place names. She's quite bright. She herself has never been out of the LA/San Diego area of California.

And most of my students are quite bright, but it takes 2-3 weeks in the lab until everyone can use google maps, switch between road map and terrain, analyze what they see and find "easter eggs" that might be hidden. It's true that some of the exercises require a bit of lateral thinking...

Over on TripAdvisor, we constantly have to tell people how to use google maps. Websleuths is a very different kind of community, much more specialized and way more skilled with internet tools.

That's insane to me. It's super easy. I truly can't believe that.

Most people I know are quite capable of using google maps. All my clients pretty much use it. All ages and levels of intelligence. I know because they use it to find my office, the courthouse and opposing counsel's offices for depos, etc.

It's much easier than a physical map. You punch in the address or location and it gives you route options and times.

Even toddlers know how to zoom in or out.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Totally agree! I am not feeling too proud to be a Canadian right now.

I don’t want to tell someone else how to feel but I think Canada has put its all into this in the ways you guys work; like with any culture, Canada has its ways, America has its ways, and Australia has its ways. I’m in the United States, and I’m proud to have you guys as a neighbor! My son goes to the Ottawa animation festival each year with his university and would love to move there later, and it’s easy to see why anyone would love it there—last month, a week ago, today, next week. I WILL tell him never to go too far north as I would hate for him to be lost in what I never knew was such a vast wilderness although I KNOW you guys would search your hearts out to find him.

 

[otto]

It doesn’t tell us anything that has any relevance to this murder.

I wouldn’t drive a 1986, 33 year old van up there in the first place, but I have money, I’m not 23 and I’m not Mr. FixIt when it comes to 33 year old vehicles.

So what? Who cares about the registration, the insurance, whether he was right or wrong not to call a tow truck?

You might as well ask why he was on the Alaska Highway in a 33 year old vehicle.

None of this has anything to do with Fowler and his girlfriend minding their own business and getting murdered.

I see it differently. I'm always curious about not only the suspects, but also the victims and how they became victims.

 

[CanadianMade]

Okay...so I just signed up yesterday and this is my first post and I haven't even made it through all the comments from this morning yet so apologies if I'm repeating anything someone else has voiced.
I've been watching this case since the start for numerous reasons:
1. I live in BC and to be completely honest I am terrified they will come back this way. I know it is unlikely as they would easily be recognized, but it IS their home and if at some point they need that level of comfort maybe they would. I also have a camping trip planned soon, and well....not sure how I feel about going now. Though this is all just my own paranoia taking over and I am aware of that.
2. This is what I really want to discuss....I keep seeing people talk about how they were part of gaming communities and how that apparently is the cause for what they are doing, and/or that they have had help from them.
What I want to say about that is this....First, one of the people they Were associated with that way have already come forward with information so what is making anyone think that they are helping them?! Also, what makes you think that the police are not already looking into this? They've been to their houses....I''m sure they have collected any electronics they could and would be checking through them for any useful information. If they had been talking with people online about 'a plan' or something, the police likely already know and have spoken with said person.
Second, just because someone plays video games does mean that they are more likely to go off on some spree(assuming that is what they are doing).

I'm sorry if I sound angry, but this type of thing bothers me quite a bit. I've been playing video games my whole life and Yes, ALL kinds of games. I am fully aware of reality vs. a game....I am fully aware of right vs. wrong.....I function just fine in society. I can also say that if anyone I know through gaming were suspects of murder and a massive country wide manhunt was underway, the first I would be doing is calling the police if I had any information I thought they may need.

Please stop making this assumption simply because someone picks up a game controller.

 

[FactFinder3000]

I realize that it is difficult to understand that there is something irregular here.

Imagine you live in Texas and you buy a vehicle in Texas. You then realize that insurance is cheaper in California so you drive to California, insure the vehicle and get California plates. Then you drive home to Texas. Would there be a problem with that?

Except that's not what happened. He's from out of country. Are people from out of country allowed to own (yes!) and insure (?) a vehicle in Alberta?

 

[sprucetip]

I don’t want to tell someone else how to feel but I think Canada has put its all into this in the ways you guys work; like with any culture, Canada has its ways, America has its ways, and Australia has its ways. I’m in the United States, and I’m proud to have you guys as a neighbor! My son goes to the Ottawa animation festival each year with his university and would love to move there later, and it’s easy to see why anyone would love it there—last month, a week ago, today, next week. I WILL tell him never to go too far north as I would hate for him to be lost in what I never knew was such a vast wilderness although I KNOW you guys would search your hearts out to find him.

No don’t discourage him from going north, it’s the most beautiful part of the country(IMO)! Just tell him to do his research and be prepared if he does.

 

[Justatheory]

Same can be said of foreign tourists visiting the USA with the seemingly weekly mass shootings.

There's potential danger everywhere. The prudent traveler researches destinations beforehand and takes the necessary precautions upon arrival. Even then, there's no guarantee you won't be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just to be clear, what happened in BC was just a case of innocent travelers crossing paths with the wrong people. It happens rarely, thankfully, but it can happen anywhere.

 

[Satchie]

I’m with you. Being from the Yukon, and knowing that Lucas and Chynna were coming up here for the same reasons I and many others came up, is heart wrenching. Many of us have done that drive in crappy, old vehicles, looking for adventure, enjoying life. It’s so sad, they would have fit in perfectly and had a blast touring the Yukon and Alaska.

I agree, it's terrible. They were young and happy-go-lucky, like 20 somethings should be. Everywhere they'd been in the world, they'd probably met with kindness and hospitality. Why should they stress about car insurance or breakdowns in Canada, they'd see that as being for old fogey's. How could they anticipate they'd be murdered?

 

[justchrissy47]

Well, it certainly isn't Africa, and it certainly did happen here, in Canada, in the 1950s, 1960s through to the early 1970s in some parts.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/hep-c-epidemic-not-tied-to-1960s-behaviour-1.3516391

SBM

The findings suggest an increase in medical procedures post World War II and inadequate hospital sterilization of reusable needles and syringes are the culprits.

Post World War II - that's almost 70 years ago from the article you quoted. I went to Nursing School in the early 80's and everything was single use...and had been for a long time.

Here is a recent article about children bring infected with HIV by a doctor reusing needles....but that's in Pakistan. Certainly not the level of medical care available in Canada

More than 400 children infected with HIV 'by rogue doctor' in Pakistan

 

[OldCop]

And if they had not burned their truck, would they even be on LE’s radar for the first two murders? Or would we still be looking for a guy who matches the sketch?

I just can’t comprehend why they did this.

I think they did it because they were afraid a witness would come forward who had seen their truck at the Dease/Fowler homicide scene.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

I see it differently. I'm always curious about not only the suspects, but also the victims and how they became victims.

OK, Fowler and his girlfriend became victims because they weren’t driving a recent model vehicle, they were driving a 33 year old van that is inherently more likely to break down.

Alternatively, they became victims because they were stopped on the side of the road (who cares why) and we’re murdered.

What the plates and insurance have to do with any of this is completely beyond me.