CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #6

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I was just on twitter. There is a picture with a man beside the sun newspaper that looks like kam. circulating
RCMP CONFIRM it is NOT the suspect
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I have no idea on any of this except maybe this: Did KM/BS perhaps stop on the road with the van looking just not for money but instead for gas? It’s not safe to carry gas in a vehicle and not that much fun to siphon it but if they didn’t want to be seen at a gas station, maybe that was a draw. IF that had another vehicle and could get gas without going to a station such as with the purple gas, that could change dynamics. I don’t know if purple gas is like diesel and if so, if it will work in regular cars, not just farm equipment. I also don’t know about up there but I live in a rural, farm area and most people I know keep a few gallons of gas in the barn or garage because if you run out here or someone else does, there’s no gas station for miles and there are no tow trucks nearby, either. Not only that but if I were on the run in the country and didn’t want to harm more people, I’d leave the people be and look in the barns and garages around there since at least here in the country, lots of people have freezers out in the barn because they garden and buy (ok, raise) their meat by the side, etc. And I don’t know a single person out here that locks his or her barn. Plus barns are so big and so full of things that hiding in one can be easy and noticing something out of place can be more difficult. That’s my experience and my opinion only—; it doesn’t make it so. It may well be different around here because everyone here in the country that I know of has shotguns at least so it’s probably riskier going on someone's property here than there. MOO.
 
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Respectfully, this debate over the van registration has gone on for 6 threads now, with the same statement being recycled, over and over again. The main things we need to know about the victims are that they were perfectly innocent, and in no way contributed to their own deaths. Being disabled by the side of a highway is not an invitation to be murdered.

Hat off, you’ve said it better than I did.
 
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Okay...so I just signed up yesterday and this is my first post and I haven't even made it through all the comments from this morning yet so apologies if I'm repeating anything someone else has voiced.
I've been watching this case since the start for numerous reasons:
1. I live in BC and to be completely honest I am terrified they will come back this way. I know it is unlikely as they would easily be recognized, but it IS their home and if at some point they need that level of comfort maybe they would. I also have a camping trip planned soon, and well....not sure how I feel about going now. Though this is all just my own paranoia taking over and I am aware of that.
2. This is what I really want to discuss....I keep seeing people talk about how they were part of gaming communities and how that apparently is the cause for what they are doing, and/or that they have had help from them.
What I want to say about that is this....First, one of the people they Were associated with that way have already come forward with information so what is making anyone think that they are helping them?! Also, what makes you think that the police are not already looking into this? They've been to their houses....I''m sure they have collected any electronics they could and would be checking through them for any useful information. If they had been talking with people online about 'a plan' or something, the police likely already know and have spoken with said person.
Second, just because someone plays video games does mean that they are more likely to go off on some spree(assuming that is what they are doing).

I'm sorry if I sound angry, but this type of thing bothers me quite a bit. I've been playing video games my whole life and Yes, ALL kinds of games. I am fully aware of reality vs. a game....I am fully aware of right vs. wrong.....I function just fine in society. I can also say that if anyone I know through gaming were suspects of murder and a massive country wide manhunt was underway, the first I would be doing is calling the police if I had any information I thought they may need.

Please stop making this assumption simply because someone picks up a game controller.
Welcome to Ws CanadianMade!
We like to discuss and turn things over around here and the gaming aspect of the case is one little thing we know about the suspects so it is something to chew on for awhile until more details come to light.
Gamers can enhance a number of skills such as dexterity, strategic thinking, concentration and spatial awareness, all good stuff despite the very occasional guy who turns good into bad.
imo, speculation.
 
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I was just on twitter . There is picture with a man beside the dun newspsper that looks like kam. circulating
RCMP CONFIRM it is NOT the suspect
Source
Twitter

RCMP MANITOBA
yeah, that is old news, was reported a day or so ago as a hoax.
 
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If it were a flooded engine and not an overheated one as I thought, then they must have stopped on the side of the hwy. and THEN
tried to re-start it and that's when it flooded.
So apparently they had stopped there for some reason. ???

I was stuck thinking this same thing, then I thought if the van had been sitting and the age of it could have been rust in the gas tank and a small particle causes a problem with the carb float going down the road and stuck open so flooded the engine.
 
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Winnepeg.....that's what my gut's been thinking about. Would fit time wise.
Anyone see anything else?
 
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Some noise on SM about an occurrence outside Winnipeg. I doubt it’s what people are saying it is.
Sean Penn's movie blocking traffic? Press conference tomorrow at 2?
 
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What’s this about?

I don’t want to spread a rumour there’s a video that was just posted of some heavy LE activity in mb
 
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Welcome to Ws CanadianMade!
We like to discuss and turn things over around here and the gaming aspect of the case is one little thing we know about the suspects so it is something to chew on for awhile until more details come to light.
Gamers can enhance a number of skills such as dexterity, strategic thinking, concentration and spatial awareness, all good stuff despite the very occasional guy who turns good into bad.
imo, speculation.

Oh I am not saying that gamers don't necessarily hold certain skills that would be of assistance if they WERE in that sort of situation....on the run, etc. I expect many are far more strategical than the 'average person'(for lack of a better term).
It is more the people who blatantly state they think the video games would have encouraged them to murder someone that I take issue with.
 
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SBM

The findings suggest an increase in medical procedures post World War II and inadequate hospital sterilization of reusable needles and syringes are the culprits.

Post World War II - that's almost 70 years ago from the article you quoted. I went to Nursing School in the early 80's and everything was single use...and had been for a long time

Try this link. Krever Inquiry | The Canadian Encyclopedia
 
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I have no idea on any of this except maybe this: Did KM/BS perhaps stop on the road with the van looking just not for money but instead for gas? It’s not safe to carry gas in a vehicle and not that much fun to siphon it but if they didn’t want to be seen at a gas station, maybe that was a draw. IF that had another vehicle and could get gas without going to a station such as with the purple gas, that could change dynamics. I don’t know if purple gas is like diesel and if so, if it will work in regular cars, not just farm equipment. I also don’t know about up there but I live in a rural, farm area and most people I know keep a few gallons of gas in the barn or garage because if you run out here or someone else does, there’s no gas station for miles and there are no tow trucks nearby, either. Not only that but if I were on the run in the country and didn’t want to harm more people, I’d leave the people be and look in the barns and garages around there since at least here in the country, lots of people have freezers out in the barn because they garden and buy (ok, raise) their meat by the side, etc. And I don’t know a single person out here that locks his or her barn. Plus barns are so big and so full of things that hiding in one can be easy and noticing something out of place can be more difficult. That’s my experience and my opinion only—; it doesn’t make it so. It may well be different around here because everyone here in the country that I know of has shotguns at least so it’s probably riskier going on someone's property here than there. MOO.

Purple gas is just regular gas dyed purple, only for use by gas-powered farm vehicles. Some farms still have their own gas tanks, often locked, but maybe not where people leave keys in vehicles.

So, I'm assuming this was a gas-powered engine. It would be strange if they bought $20 of gas in a jerry can for a diesel engine, right?

I'd be afraid to look in a freezer in an unlocked barn or garage right now anywhere along their route.
 
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Welcome to Ws CanadianMade!
We like to discuss and turn things over around here and the gaming aspect of the case is one little thing we know about the suspects so it is something to chew on for awhile until more details come to light.
Gamers can enhance a number of skills such as dexterity, strategic thinking, concentration and spatial awareness, all good stuff despite the very occasional guy who turns good into bad.
imo, speculation.

Oh and thank you for the welcome!!:)
 
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If that was true I would assume that they would have just killed that witness. Also if there was a witness then why hasn’t that person come forward? Or may that person has ...who knows.
I guess by witness I meant someone who was driving by and noticed another vehicle stopped near the victim’s van, not necessarily someone who had any interaction with the perps. We do know that several people came forward who witnessed the victims by the side of the road and a couple who actually spoke to them. Another witness reported she had seen the male victim arguing with another male in the roadway at around 11:30 pm the night before the bodies were found. There may be more. We do not know at this time how LE connected the first homicides with that of LD. Perhaps a witness?
 
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Going back to the beginning of this whole tragedy, we have discussed whether this is all a large, planned thrill kill for these suspects or something else. Here are my thoughts/theories:

7/15 I believe the murders of LF and CD were unplanned. KM and BS may have come upon the van and believed it to be abandoned on the side of the road, but unoccupied. They were short of cash and may have thought they could break in and steal something that they could use. Is it possible that the suspects planned to steal the van not realizing it was broken down?
I believe they may have awakened Lucas and Chynna when they opened the side door to the van. I would guess the victims were sleeping towards the back and when they woke up, they startled the 2 suspects. A shot was fired towards them causing the glass to spray outside the van as indicated in some reports. One of them may have been hit. At some point the victims were murdered. We don’t know if they were murdered in or out of the van. They may have been led outside and executed there or dragged out after being shot. LE have not indicated if there was blood inside the van or if the bodies had been moved.
Is there any chance that the “argument” described by a witness could have been KM and BS arguing with each other because one had fired the shots that killed the victims?
At any rate, they were now on the run.

The killers then made they way over 7 hours away to the vicinity of Dease Lake where they laid low for a few days.
7/18 they were spotted at Dease Lake around 3:15. They were probably listening to radio reports and knew neither the victims nor the suspects had been identified.
On 7/19, suspect’s truck/camper was found burning about 12 miles south of Dease Lake, LD’s body was found about a mile away from the burning vehicle. A few people had come forward by this time who were witnesses at the double homicide site before the murders. Perhaps KM and BS thought a witness might come forward who had seen their camper at the scene. This propelled them to burn their camper, kill LD, and steal his vehicle. This was a panicky move and not well thought out. They were probably very happy to hear later on that LD was unidentified at the time and so there was no bolo for the vehicle in which they were traveling.
By 7/21, they had made their way about 22 hours east to Cold Lake where they were assisted after being stuck, (maybe they had camped in there), and an hour and a half further to Meadow Lake where they were picked up on the video camera. I believe they took Route 16 to Cold Lake.
By 7/22, they had driven an additional 14 hours to Gillam where they eventually burned the RAV4. They may have realized they were at a dead end and would have to double back and couldn’t risk being seen in the dead man’s vehicle.
It wasn’t until 7/23 that they were named suspects in the murders. By that time they very well could have found a way out of Gillam. If that was the case and they were able to get far enough east, all they have to do is stay out of sight by keeping to backwoods hunting and fishing cabins spread over hundreds and thousands of acres until the search is scaled back. Hopefully, they have not harmed anyone else.
I do not think we have any genius killers here. We have 2 boys on the run who have always been one step ahead of LE, not because of their smarts and cunning, but because of pure luck i.e. not being connected with the double homicide and then being thought to be missing themselves as victims, not perpetrators. They were running because they knew what they had done, but LE initially did not.

MOO trying to put together a scenario based on what we do know.

What you've described is entirely plausible; it could be exactly what transpired. Like you, I don't think we're dealign with evil geniuses or criminal masterminds. I think they've been fortunate that there's been latency between the times their crimes were committed and the points at which law enforcement discovered the crimes and figured out what happened. The vast distances and wilderness are significant factors.
 
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Because of that experience, I think that all these theories about motive are a waste of time. Nobody will know “why” until, and if, one or both of these people are arrested.

Late comment to this, but I bet RCMP are trying to figure out the motive, to try to predict where they might have gone, what their subsequent moves might have been. That's why it interests me, I try to think like LE do.
 
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I have no idea on any of this except maybe this: Did KM/BS perhaps stop on the road with the van looking just not for money but instead for gas? It’s not safe to carry gas in a vehicle and not that much fun to siphon it but if they didn’t want to be seen at a gas station, maybe that was a draw. IF that had another vehicle and could get gas without going to a station such as with the purple gas, that could change dynamics. I don’t know if purple gas is like diesel and if so, if it will work in regular cars, not just farm equipment. I also don’t know about up there but I live in a rural, farm area and most people I know keep a few gallons of gas in the barn or garage because if you run out here or someone else does, there’s no gas station for miles and there are no tow trucks nearby, either. Not only that but if I were on the run in the country and didn’t want to harm more people, I’d leave the people be and look in the barns and garages around there since at least here in the country, lots of people have freezers out in the barn because they garden and buy (ok, raise) their meat by the side, etc. And I don’t know a single person out here that locks his or her barn. Plus barns are so big and so full of things that hiding in one can be easy and noticing something out of place can be more difficult. That’s my experience and my opinion only—; it doesn’t make it so. It may well be different around here because everyone here in the country that I know of has shotguns at least so it’s probably riskier going on someone's property here than there. MOO.
Their pickup truck was a diesel, the van appears to be gasoline. Dyed gas (or diesel fuel) in the areas that do it is simply to identify fuel that hasn’t been subjected to road taxes. Other than the dye, it’s just like any other gas.
 
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