CANADA - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #7

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  • #1,001
What if they have a canoe.

If so, that should be easy for police to spot by helicopter or drone. Air search is an advantage, compared to ground searching through bush and forest.

If the two are at the point of hunger whereby a garbage dump is attractive, their energy level must be getting very low. JMO
 
  • #1,002
Yes and if the whole community is in lockdown, reporters will not be out and about on the lookout for “breaking news”.

YEAS.

And since the only public access would be on the Split Lake ferry, RCMP can easily control the media access to the area and avoid having to babysit them and stop them from posting activities and search areas !

RCMP must be loving this!
 
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  • #1,003
There is one possibility. If a search party member had gotten "lost" and separated from his other search party members then even if he had a radio to talk to others in his group its possible the others told him to stay where he is at and fire 1 shot so that the others can locate him and get him back with the group. Getting lost out there is easy to do and if the person didnt have a GPS or a compass to know how to get back to his search party members a two-way radio doesnt help much without some other way to regroup with the others.

There is one way to do it with radios only and that is by having the lost member walk in one direction all the while "keying" the Mic and the others can tell if the reception is getting better or worse. By trial and error of the lost person doing very short straight line walks to see how the reception gets can work to regroup the person. But it is somewhat difficult to use that method. And the risk of it is if the person walks out of total reception then you never can talk to the person again on the radio so it may not be the best method. A single shot by that person allows others in the group to key in on his location and walk to him instead.

Maybe - but where was his partner? You wouldn't be conducting a search like this alone. Moreover, the RCMP are likely using a version of the motorola APX 8000 - which has a GPS function and blueforce tracker built in.
 
  • #1,004
Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs (AMC) is currently developing a safety strategy for northern First Nation communities in Manitoba including Fox Lake Cree Nation, York Factory First Nation, and War Lake First Nation, in light of the two fugitives at large.

It is embarassing that I just learned about York Factory and York Landing last night.

York Factory First Nation was moved to York Landing, after Hudson's Bay Company closed the store in 1957.
 
  • #1,005
Is anyone familiar with the games their played? moving their troops to different areas, etc?

They must be using some of the similar tactics and essentially bringing their game to life. Someone mentioned about them being under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I highly doubt that. I think this is fun for them, now they have the whole world playing their real-life version of the video game, and they are winning. They are focused and 2 steps ahead. IMO
 
  • #1,006
Canadians not having guns is a farce.

I think 80% of my co workers have guns in their house, many have mulitple. One has 17, another has 6.

This is a professional business ytpe setting, guns are a hobby many Canadians enjoy, including hunting, or just target practice.

Can attest. I live in a very blue collar/hunting/fishing/outdoorsy type area of Ontario. While I don’t own any guns, my dad probably has a dozen, maybe more. He’s an avid hunter.
 
  • #1,007
Why wouldn’t the RCMP fire guns into the air if the community was locked down and it was their sole means of communicating their location to each other? Are you or anyone here aware of police protocol in that type of situation?

Yes. It is not protocol to fire your weapon in the air to 'communicate'.
 
  • #1,008
If they are on the run it is interesting to note that they asked about it being a dry community, they already stick out like a sore thumb, and this only draws more attention to them that they are not locals
too bad they were not asked for licence and registration- and run their plates
 
  • #1,009
Oh, maybe they found the broken one left by the Germans ?

It was red. Easy to spot. I guess they would have to whittle up a set of paddles.
The German guys' canoe was unusable, it was a piece of crap to begin with and broke apart.
Otherwise they would have continued using it themselves and not have to walk all those kms.
I think it is fairly easy to come by a canoe, if you are looking for one. My own canoes got borrowed 3 times(stolen) and they were fairly secured. I don't think most people secure their canoes in remote communities.
 
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RCMP Manitoba‏Verified account @rcmpmb
Situation is ongoing. All possible RCMP resources continue to be used in the area of York Landing to safely apprehend two individuals matching the description of the suspects. #rcmpmb

5:40 AM - 29 Jul 2019 pst
 
  • #1,011
As a hunter, and owner and familiar with firearms my entire life. Firing 3 shots to signal distress, a come to me now, or otherwise draw attention to yourself and your presence/location is common knowledge. I'm born and raised in Ontario, on a reservation. I was taught the 3 shot signal even as a kid. I don't find any problem or out of the ordinary that 3 shots were used to communicate location or draw attention etc. It's not unprofessional or "a lack of training" at all. It's just how you do it when you don't have radio contact. Your voice doesn't carry very far in the bush. In a situation like the one where it happened. Minutes matter when you're smack dab in the middle of a national manhunt and you're hot on the tail of the subjects of the manhunt.
 
  • #1,012
Is anyone familiar with the games their played? moving their troops to different areas, etc?

They must be using some of the similar tactics and essentially bringing their game to life. Someone mentioned about them being under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I highly doubt that. I think this is fun for them, now they have the whole world playing their real-life version of the video game, and they are winning. They are focused and 2 steps ahead. IMO
This is certainly possible in their warped minds, if they had only been runaways.

But being charged with one murder and the prime suspects in two murder takes this far, far out of the bounds of acceptable human behavior.

They can keep thinking they are winning by surviving at the dump of a 400 person town. Their fellow cellmates will love to hear their colorful winning stories, if they live through this - which is not a game anymore.
 
  • #1,013
Alexis Daish‏Verified account @LexiDaish
Alexis Daish Retweeted RCMP Manitoba

Hunt continues after sighting of two men near garbage dump in York Landing matching description of teen fugitives Kam Mcleod and Bryer Schmegelsky.@9NewsAUS

Alexis Daish added,

RCMP ManitobaVerified account @rcmpmb
Situation is ongoing. All possible RCMP resources continue to be used in the area of York Landing to safely apprehend two individuals matching the description of the suspects. #rcmpmb
6:45 AM - 29 Jul 2019 pst
 
  • #1,014
In remote communities, and communities along the Alaska Highway, many families rely on hunting to provide meat for the winter. This is why they own hunting rifles, or shotguns, and they know how to use them. These are not handguns or automatic weapons, but tools to provide food for families. Children grow up learning to hunt with their dads and moms.

There is nothing new about this, and it's not a sign of moral degeneracy. Communities from Vancouver island to Newfoundland have always found food on the land. Deer and moose hunting is not something most city dwellers do, but it is done outside of the urban corridor.

Food is very expensive in the north. There is a movement to re-learn traditional hunting and gathering for land food in the northern First Nations communities. I've even read about greenhouses for school children to grow food in the summer. People who have extra food can contribute it to community freezers for those in need. Further north, communities store all their meat in communal meat lockers.

Great explanation! As tragic as is the reason people from all over are interested in this sad saga, I really hope it also serves as a learning opportunity regarding the traditional ways of living in remote northern communities, especially by Canada’s First Nation people.

ETA - As for the two teens being sought, nothing on Vancouver Island would’ve prepared them for northern Manitoba. Which is probably why searching a garbage dump for rotting food in broad daylight could appear a good opportunity to quell their hunger.
 
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  • #1,015
Maybe somebody else fired shots? @ 0:26, speculation.
July 28 2019

I wouldn't be surprised if someone else was popping some shots off somewhere for some reason, but as I mentioned before the RCMP themselves have not confirmed this.
I do not believe the RCMP were using gun shots as communication.
 
  • #1,016
As a hunter, and owner and familiar with firearms my entire life. Firing 3 shots to signal distress, a come to me now, or otherwise draw attention to yourself and your presence/location is common knowledge. I'm born and raised in Ontario, on a reservation. I was taught the 3 shot signal even as a kid. I don't find any problem or out of the ordinary that 3 shots were used to communicate location or draw attention etc. It's not unprofessional or "a lack of training" at all. It's just how you do it when you don't have radio contact. Your voice doesn't carry very far in the bush. In a situation like the one where it happened. Minutes matter when you're smack dab in the middle of a national manhunt and you're hot on the tail of the subjects of the manhunt.

That being said, it is possible this was a local who fired the shots, as it was reported that numerous locals ran into the bush with weapons.
 
  • #1,017
I think that if they are on foot at the dump they will have a bear encounter sooner than later. They might just be giving themselves up. We do the same here in northern Saskatchewan, you go to the dump you go in a vehicle.
 
  • #1,018
It could have been a distraction, or a diversion. Why go out in daylight rummaging if you didn't want to be caught. They may have a plan in place and wanted to draw the attention there. It just doesn't make sense that both of them would be seen together in the daylight. It seems they should have gone to the dump at night, or have 1 gone, and another keep watch?

They would be competing for prime dump space with bears

They would need flashlights - which they might not have
 
  • #1,019
As a hunter, and owner and familiar with firearms my entire life. Firing 3 shots to signal distress, a come to me now, or otherwise draw attention to yourself and your presence/location is common knowledge. I'm born and raised in Ontario, on a reservation. I was taught the 3 shot signal even as a kid. I don't find any problem or out of the ordinary that 3 shots were used to communicate location or draw attention etc. It's not unprofessional or "a lack of training" at all. It's just how you do it when you don't have radio contact. Your voice doesn't carry very far in the bush. In a situation like the one where it happened. Minutes matter when you're smack dab in the middle of a national manhunt and you're hot on the tail of the subjects of the manhunt.
Welcome to Ws OperaticStatic, thanks for the insightful post!
 
  • #1,020
They may well have or steal a boat. If so, anything is possible.
I'm sure RCMP has people stationed at whatever marina exists (for the ferry, for example) AND at any fuel depots
 
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