CANADA - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #7

[Kubirai]

Great question.

Ferry or boat from Split Lake, if they are indeed found at York L

Hate to be a pessimist, but I think they are long gone again or the sighting wasn’t of them and they are in fact dead. And, realistically it could have been some other fugitives

I still have hope that they will be captured alive in that general area, or they will surrender.

 

[ld1891]

If you register and actually read the article, you may find that there are possibilities that don’t involve the journalist being stupid or the RCMP unprofessional.

So I don't particularly feel like paying for another news source. What was posted here indicates otherwise. I stand by my statement - firing a weapon without first identifying a target is NOT professional.

 

[BearCatSafari]

Wow, exciting developments .... maybe? Fingers still crossed!!



Wait, really? I thought it didn’t work like that in Canada.

Many people in rural areas have rifles because they hunt. That's all there is to it.

Guns aren't really much of a thing here aside from that.

 

[jassange]

Walking through a dump in bear country. Not the sharpest tools in the shed.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Wow, exciting developments .... maybe? Fingers still crossed!!



Wait, really? I thought it didn’t work like that in Canada.

Why are you surprised that aboriginal people living on remote reserves don’t hunt?

If I tell you that my neighbours in rural Newfoundland hunt moose in the fall, moose who are non-native and were brought there in the early 1900s specifically so fishermen could hunt them as a source of winter food, do you think that that is inconsistent with something you’ve been told about Canada?

 

[musicaljoke]

RCMP broaden search for teens wanted in B.C. killings to York Landing, Man.
“The community remains on lockdown, he said. “I’ve been sitting here with my semi-automatic 22,” he said. “Everyone has a gun.”..”

Oh my! I'd probably be sitting with a rifle in my lap too. But, yikes ... I hope that they can keep themselves safe without using their guns.

 

[ld1891]

Who told you that aboriginal people living on remote reserves don’t hunt?

If I tell you that my neighbours in rural Newfoundland hunt moose in the fall, moose who are non-native and were brought there in the early 1900s specifically so fishermen could hunt them as a source of winter food, do you think that is inconsistent with something you’ve been told about Canada?

Likely saying that Canada has a reputation of not having a lot of guns/rifles compared to the USA.

 

[Tilly23]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/york-landing-search-bc-fugitives-1.5228561

An excerpt from the above regarding the stop at the gas bar in Split Lake on July 22 (RSBM & RBBM):

Constables with Tataskweyak Cree Nation, also known as Split Lake, stopped the suspects in their vehicle at a gas bar last Monday as they drove through the community, before the vehicle was found burned near Gillam, said band councillor Machan Meckoway.

Split Lake is a dry community and the constables were checking for any alcohol, and didn't know who the men were at the time, he said.

"They did see maps and maps and camping gear within that vehicle that were driving," he said.​

Confirmation that they had maps and camping equipment in the RAV4.

MOO

 

[Kubirai]

So in essence they are providing a type of security as I originally stated and acting as a go between the People and the RCMP.

They also provide something more important: sense of security.

<modsnip: If you can't discuss it, don't mention it.>

 

[Simpleslc]

It seems weird to be that IF they took the ferry (which I doubt they did) that they were not seen sooner looking for food?

It seems to me that they could have walked through the bush from Gillam to YL. It would take a couple days, but it has been virtually silent for the past few days so they would have had time to get there, and when they did finally reach some civilization they would be desperately looking for food.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

If you register and actually read the article, you may find that there are possibilities that don’t involve the journalist being stupid or the RCMP unprofessional.

What are the possibilities?

 

[PaulR]

No such thing as an AD unless the weapon malfunctioned. If firer initiated it is pure negligence. A 5.56 rd from one of those Colt C8s would rip through any house in the area.

And someone's .22LR wouldn't cause that much damage. And a gun fired outside, assuming it was pointed in a safe direction at the time (trees, ground) wouldn't cause damage either. You already know this.

Nobody was hurt and the community is on edge. Sorry, but priority 1 is finding these two kids and arresting them. Priority something way lower is the truth about the gunfire, assuming it wasn't used to communicate (which it absolutely could have been used for.)

 

[MistyWaters]

If you register and actually read the article, you may find that there are possibilities that don’t involve the journalist being stupid or the RCMP unprofessional.

I notice other police departments supporting the efforts of the RCMP, speaking out to the Twitter critical couch-potatoes. I can understand their frustration.

Jul 25
Oak Bay Police (@OakBayPolice) on Twitter
OakBay Police
Replying to....
Why don't you head up there? Seems you've got it all worked out from your vast experience...watching Manhunt on TV.
We, on the other hand, are so grateful to our sisters & brothers who are risking their lives to try to capture these dangerous criminals.
#CanadaManHunt

 

[Cdndadeh]

Sniped from CBC.ca article updated 25 mins ago.

“Constables with Tataskweyak Cree Nation, also known as Split Lake, stopped the suspects in their vehicle at a gas bar last Monday as they drove through the community, before the vehicle was found burned near Gillam, said band councillor Machan Meckoway.

Split Lake is a dry community and the constables were checking for any alcohol, and didn't know who the men were at the time, he said.

"They did see maps and maps and camping gear within that vehicle that were driving," he said.”

REALLY??? This is the first I’ve heard that constables of any type stopped these two... I heard they were asking a gas attendant about the community being dry but that’s it. Did I miss something or has this been around for a while?

EBM maps and camping gear were seen that’s potentially huge information imo

 

[Gypsy Violin]

Son of Australian chief inspector and his girlfriend are 'shot dead' in Canada and dumped on the side of a major highway - as police launch murder investigation

Snipped...
...Mr Fowler, from Sydney's Hills District, has been identified as the son of NSW Chief Inspector Stephen Fowler.

Northern Rockies officers were called to the highway, about 20 kilometres south of Liard Hot Springs, at 7.19am on Monday.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Likely saying that Canada has a reputation of not having a lot of guns/rifles compared to the USA.

If people don’t see a difference between Toronto and a remote reserve in northern Manitoba where hunting, as well as fishing, is part of how people eat week in, week out, there is an even bigger problem with understanding of the country and the culture than I thought

Do they think that all the food in these communities is airlifted in?

 

[greenfern]

Wait, really? I thought it didn’t work like that in Canada.

We have guns, particularly in rural areas. It's the attitude to them that seems to be rather different than south of the border. We don't have so much of the gun-worshiping, NRA, 'you'll pry this from my cold dead hands' culture. People tend to view them as tools. You can hunt, shoot targets, put down wounded livestock.

I've got relatives in the US and my aunt goes nowhere without her gun. Living with that kind of fear of personal attack to the point of feeling that you need to be armed at all times (in a gated, patrolled community) is strange to me. Why two neighbouring countries are so different on this issue might partly be due to history, partly special interest groups lobbying, partly sensationalist media. I don't know.

That the guy interviewed for the news story felt the need to take a gun out of its case and keep it close for security is certainly not normal here.

 

[Kubirai]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/york-landing-search-bc-fugitives-1.5228561

An excerpt from the above regarding the stop at the gas bar in Split Lake on July 22 (RSBM & RBBM):

Constables with Tataskweyak Cree Nation, also known as Split Lake, stopped the suspects in their vehicle at a gas bar last Monday as they drove through the community, before the vehicle was found burned near Gillam, said band councillor Machan Meckoway.

Split Lake is a dry community and the constables were checking for any alcohol, and didn't know who the men were at the time, he said.

"They did see maps and maps and camping gear within that vehicle that were driving," he said.​

Confirmation that they had maps and camping equipment in the RAV4.

MOO

That is an extraordinary sighting! So local First Nation constables stopped them, to check for alcohol, but didn't yet know they were wanted fugitives.

That will explain why they decided to burn the RAV4.

They thought that RCMP will be notified soon and there will be a road block if they drove back through Split Lake.

 

[ld1891]

And someone's .22LR wouldn't cause that much damage. And a gun fired outside, assuming it was pointed in a safe direction at the time (trees, ground) wouldn't cause damage either. You already know this.

Nobody was hurt and the community is on edge. Sorry, but priority 1 is finding these two kids and arresting them. Priority something way lower is the truth about the gunfire, assuming it wasn't used to communicate (which it absolutely could have been used for.)

Nowhere in my response did I say that the reason behind the gunfire should be more important than the purpose of the police operation.

That being said, HOW would gunfire be used to communicate? If I was operating on the team, is that someone saying 'I'm here'? Is it an ND? Or is it a member of my team coming under contact? Gunfire is not used to communicate because it should only mean one thing - that a threat has been engaged with lethal force. Full stop.

 

[Simpleslc]

Sniped from CBC.ca article updated 25 mins ago.

“Constables with Tataskweyak Cree Nation, also known as Split Lake, stopped the suspects in their vehicle at a gas bar last Monday as they drove through the community, before the vehicle was found burned near Gillam, said band councillor Machan Meckoway.

Split Lake is a dry community and the constables were checking for any alcohol, and didn't know who the men were at the time, he said.

"They did see maps and maps and camping gear within that vehicle that were driving," he said.”

REALLY??? This is the first I’ve heard that constables of any type stopped these two... I heard they were asking a gas attendant about the community being dry but that’s it. Did I miss something or has this been around for a while?

No wonder they think they can get away with this huge man hunt!