Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #8

[afitzy]

Haha thank you. <modsnip>
I wonder if I put the little camo sweater on my black Pomeranian dog and put her outside she would go on a licking Rampage? She already thinks she's a little black wolf. She could easily lick somebody to death.Haha

Ha Ha! While you can't post a picture of your no doubt quite cute pup you CAN change your avatar to be a picture of your quite cute pup in full camo! Just a though in case things get rough on this thread!

 

[scrappinkat]

The wearing of the Camo was a significant sign (to me) that that person really has jumped on this crime ridden bandwagon that the two of them are on. He was dressing the part and I am pretty sure his mind is in the part too.

My apologies, as this is what you said. “The wearing of camo is significant that this person has really jumped on this crime ridden bandwagon”. Still it seems to me that you are saying the wearing of camo shows proclivity to a life of crime.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

I live in a small City. And I have a camo purse, camo running shoes, camo pants, camo jacket, and some camo t-shirts, and some camo ball caps. My little dog also has a little camo jacket sweater thing.

Sounds like your dog should be locked up for future crimes to be committed.

ETA: Then again, they tried this with David Haller and it turned him into Legion. Professor X would be disheartened.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Fowler had been in Canada for several months. This would have been ample time for him to acquire a properly registered rifle in Canada for adventure travel into the northlands and possible confrontation with bears, etc.

This is possible, but consider...

Fowler could carry a rifle at the ranch he was working at without a license (PAL) provided that he was under the “supervision” of someone with a PAL. In other words, he didn’t need a PAL for his job, and probably didn’t need a rifle anyway.

It costs about CAN$250 and completion of a gun safety course (not offered daily in cities, let alone up north) to get a PAL, and the RCMP says that the turnaround time, after completion of the course, is up to 90 days. In my experience, it’s about 60 days.

It costs money to purchase a rifle or shotgun and ammunition, Fowler being someone who was driving a 33 year old van. However, it is possible that he borrowed a gun from the ranch and just purchased ammunition.

It really isn’t obvious to me that Fowler, as a temporary visitor, would go to the trouble and expense of getting a Canadian gun license, etc.

In any event, if he had a PAL, the RCMP knows that, and probably knows if he had a gun.

 

[FactFinder3000]

Plates are different

Can confirm. Based on photo in this article. So they didn't just use the plates the van was bought with, as someone speculated.

NoCookies | The Australian

 

[ldlager]

Who has said that?

As of now they are not proven guilty. They have not been convicted. Let's just leave it at that

 

[Deleted member 248860]

So essentially the McNaughton test.

Essentially, yes.

 

[Herat]

And those of us that live near a base... even seeing someone walking in a grocery store in full out camo would not be out of place. I wouldn't even look twice... probably not even once actually.

I see men and women in full cammo all over town.

I like cammo-type patterns to wear for birding

 

[MassGuy]

My apologies, as this is what you said. “The wearing of camo is significant that this person has really jumped on this crime ridden bandwagon”. Still it seems to me that you are saying the wearing of camo shows proclivity to a life of crime.

To him, it is significant. It likely explains his mindset.

For Joe Shmoe, it wouldn’t have any relevance.

I think that’s the point that is being made, and it’s one I agree with.

 

[Xyzzia]

I tend to agree that that's probably the exactly the same van. I'm sure there's not a lot of those running the highways nowadays. And the plates even if they are different makes no difference at all because he could have grabbed some other Alberta plates to put on it.

 

[missy1974]

At about this time yesterday, I was of the opinion that this was really close to being over.

It definitely doesn’t seem that way anymore.

I don’t believe these guys escaped from that area, so the logical conclusion is that they were never there to begin with.

I’m sure everyone is frustrated by that.

I was feeling this way last night. Was really hoping for positive news today and was hoping to be proven wrong, but doesn't look that way

 

[gitana1]

The RCMP may be wrong (it's happened before, and their recent history/performance is not stellar). And there may well be another murderer (s) involved, I don't know. My belief (or my opinion, not based on any facts) is that the RCMP doesn't know either.
I do believe however that they should not be convicted and pronounced guilty before being captured and put on trial.

I haven't seen them convicted by anyone. We don't have the power to do that.

But yeah. I think it's a logical assumption that they're guilty. And perfectly reasonable to operate under that assumption. Especially if you're the Canadian public or LE.

No one is suggesting they be executed or even imprisoned without trial.

But common sense tells me me these two dudes who have disappeared instead ofcome forward to clear their names or get a job or whatever, are indeed guilty of three murders.

For goodness sake, one of their own parents has no trouble concluding that is the case.

He knows his son.

 

[MassGuy]

I was feeling this way last night. Was really hoping for positive news today and was hoping to be proven wrong, but doesn't look that way

It looks like everyone was duped, whether intentional or not.

False sightings do happen, so I’m not pointing fingers.

But yeah, it’s disheartening.

 

[LadyL]

It’s easy for all of us at home. There were a couple of odd things about this “tip” from get go for me.

One thing the BC leader said in an interview about his people spotting the individuals was that they were easy to spot because everyone in town was holed up and town was silent. I don’t know why town would be on lock down before finding them?.. I also don’t know why they’d even be there in first place when it would seem to me you’d want to put the majority of your resources in the area being effected which at the time was Gillam.

Something just doesn’t smell right.

they were there because they were requested by a band leader

 

[Simpleslc]

Residents of YL reported 3 gunshots, sure it's a common signal that is used.

But if the suspects weren't there - why??

 

[otto]

Has anybody found and or posted this yet?
LF’s Bonaventure van ad when it was for sale. From an auction in Alberta bought June 2018. These pics look dead on match to the crime scene highway pics. Showing exterior and interior angles of the van.
Discussion and thoughts?

1986 CHEV BONAVENTURE VAN

Nice find! It does look like the same vehicle, including the mud flaps.

 

[Seattle1]

For anyone interested in aerial view of York Landing shared by Chief Constant: (posted with WS approval)

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10157077343415281

 

[sprucetip]

A big NEGATIVE. The journalist is a waste of skin - this guy is a local band peace officer, NOT a federal agent with the RCMP.

Is that confirmed? He could be a volunteer RCMP, can’t remember what they’re called but they’re unarmed.

 

[MntnHiker]

Wow I honestly thought this would be over by now. Where on earth ARE these guys?

Before the sighting yesterday, my gut was that either A) They were deceased somewhere in the wilderness due to either the elements/lack of food and water or animal attack or B) Were holed up somewhere, possibly some abandoned cabin or with someone who was knowingly or unknowingly aiding them. But then we had the sighting.

I guess my question is, if the sighting was NOT them, then what was it? I don't believe at all that the men would have made up this sighting. I mean, that's just my opinion but I don't see that happening when you have this whole area paranoid and worried about these two suspected killers. So if it wasn't these two, then it was just two other white, tall, thin young adult males who looked a lot like them? I could maybe see that, and we don't know how far away the men were who saw them, but their behavior wouldn't make sense. If you were two innocent men, why would you firstly be out there with no car and secondly see someone else and then bolt to the woods? MOO

 

[deerpaw]

How about that guy who seemed to be arguing with the couple? I haven't read that he has been discounted as a suspect. Could it have been his gun? How about the couple themselves. According to the early report at Woman saw man in heated exchange with slain tourist couple Fowler had been in Canada for several months.

The one random thought coming way out of left field here is the sketch of the bearded man who was seen in a heated debate with Fowler/Deese looked, to me, similar to the escaped criminal Whisenand who is in BC from Texas.

Could he be responsible for these murders and the two boys saw that they have been blamed for second degree murder and are now hiding because of that? Thinking along the lines of the movie “Paradise Lost” with the West Memphis boys that totally fit the image being portrayed.