Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #8

[Jen-Knee]

We know cell coverage is spotty at best. These two wouldn't still be using their own phones or I believe they would have been caught based on cell phone pings. It's highly doubtful they would be using LD's phone as LE would be tracking that one as well. I can't see them using the couple's phones (if they murdered them).
I'm not familiar with burner phones but do they have data capabilities where they could do a search online for info about the manhunt? And if burner phones do have data capabilities, does LE have a way of finding or tracking phones used in certain areas? I'm sure they brought along some portable/cube chargers but how long do those things hold a charge if they have a few and are using one at a time?

They ditched the RAV 4 before news broke of LD being identified and them being named suspects so how did they find out they were wanted and why continue trying to evade police if they are innocent. They have to hear the planes/dogs/searchers etc. if they are still alive (which I think they are)

You can get a sim card at any 7-11 for $10. You just have to be able to go online to activate it. No ID needed and they can go into any phone. I'm not sure how their data plans work though. I know for calling/texting you can go in and buy however many minutes and you can just activate the refill on your phone. Data itself may be different.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

We know cell coverage is spotty at best. These two wouldn't still be using their own phones or I believe they would have been caught based on cell phone pings. It's highly doubtful they would be using LD's phone as LE would be tracking that one as well. I can't see them using the couple's phones (if they murdered them).
I'm not familiar with burner phones but do they have data capabilities where they could do a search online for info about the manhunt? And if burner phones do have data capabilities, does LE have a way of finding or tracking phones used in certain areas? I'm sure they brought along some portable/cube chargers but how long do those things hold a charge if they have a few and are using one at a time?

They ditched the RAV 4 before news broke of LD being identified and them being named suspects so how did they find out they were wanted and why continue trying to evade police if they are innocent. They have to hear the planes/dogs/searchers etc. if they are still alive (which I think they are)

I own a large $80 solar cell phone charger. When opened it is the size of my laptop. It takes an entire day of full sun to charge my cell phone. It doesn't work in cloudy conditions and obviously not when you are hiding in a forest from the RCMP.

 

[PaulR]

I tend to agree and I have been thinking about cooking meals without a fire and if they had brought MREs like was previously suggested they might have brought with them, then to prevent being spotted with a campfire, one thing I remembered about MREs is that some of them like these in the link below have their own "ready to heat" packet that generates heat by mixing a small amount of water. There is some sort of included heat pack or something that has a chemical reaction with a tablespoon of water and that is used to heat up the MRE meal.

So there would be a way to have warm meals without a fire.

MRE Self-Heating Full Meal - CASE of 12

No fire, but those chemical heaters can get pretty hot. It could get picked up on FLIR. Of course you can also eat MREs cold. I doubt the instant coffee is good that way but everything else should be fine.

These sell on Amazon and army surplus stores: 3600 calorie food bars.
https://www.amazon.com/SOS-Food-Lab...orie+food+bar&qid=1564451113&s=gateway&sr=8-3

Also useful, since they were made to be emergency rations for boats so they can withstand wide ranges of temperatures. They don't taste very good, and aren't too nutritious - more about keeping you alive until help arrives.

 

[otto]

I dunno. But whatever the answer, it appears that RCMP doesn’t believe it was them.

You don’t pull your people out of there, if you think these two guys are in the area.

I think that the people in York Landing started panicking when they saw the activity in Gillam. They put together they idea that someone could walk the hydro lines from Gillam to York Landing. A 12 year old girl saw the suspects.

The Bear Clan was asked to go from Winnipeg to York Landing to help the community feel safe. As soon as they arrived, they received a tip that the suspects were seen at the dump.

RCMP arrived in 20 minutes, they swarmed the area for 24 hours. Nothing. I think it was fear that morphed into a bit of hysteria.

 

[copkid]

DDBM...already answered.

 

[Snoop Sister]

We know cell coverage is spotty at best. These two wouldn't still be using their own phones or I believe they would have been caught based on cell phone pings. It's highly doubtful they would be using LD's phone as LE would be tracking that one as well. I can't see them using the couple's phones (if they murdered them).
I'm not familiar with burner phones but do they have data capabilities where they could do a search online for info about the manhunt? And if burner phones do have data capabilities, does LE have a way of finding or tracking phones used in certain areas? I'm sure they brought along some portable/cube chargers but how long do those things hold a charge if they have a few and are using one at a time?

They ditched the RAV 4 before news broke of LD being identified and them being named suspects so how did they find out they were wanted and why continue trying to evade police if they are innocent. They have to hear the planes/dogs/searchers etc. if they are still alive (which I think they are)

You can’t buy burner phones in Alberta anymore..not sure about BC

 

[Tee404]

Okay so I am ready to be totally hammered here, but I am going to throw out some random ideas I've been thinking - be nice..

PC's/Home Searches - Perhaps LE has found information either on the PC recovered from the burnt-out truck or from the suspect's homes that indicate plan at/around the Gillam region and that (as well as it being their last confirmed sighting) is why LE have been so heavily present there? LE just seem really hellbent on this area being crucial.

Murder of CD & LF - perhaps this was an opportunistic killing, or perhaps a robbery. I haven't decided my thoughts on this yet. But either way, they would have freaked out to some degree and just went hell for leather down the highway - fuelled on adrenlin and their "fight or flight" instincts. Everyone keeps asking why they would drive 7 hours then torch their comfortable camper.. but that is exactly what I would do in such a situation given that the camper was SO distinguishable (source: Redirect Notice) and may have contained evidence. Plus, they may have this mentality that "fire destroys everything - including all evidence".

Murder of LD - The suspect's vehicle was found burnt out around 1-2km from where LD's body was located. Now, given that LD was found on a small clearing area that slightly pulls out from the road (source: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...vancouver-death-wreath-quietly-laid-1.5226788 and https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-killed-missing-alaska-highway-1.5220571), I would say that LD was pulled into this either sleeping or collecting samples for his botany teachings and the suspects have come across him and murdered him for his vehicle, especially once they've realised the gold mine of supplies he has with him (camping gear, maps, food etc). At this time, they have taken a vehicle each (one in the camper and one in LD's RAV4, and driven 2km's up the road and then torched their vehicle for the reasons in the above point. IF, now IF they had some sort of half assed plan that involved the north, they would have thought "well sh*t, we've come 7 hours back the wrong way, we have to keep on with the mission". Hence they've back tracked to continue on their northerly travels.

Maps - Perhaps with the RAV4 full of equipment, they did intend on continuing north for whatever plan they had, but being millenial gamers reared on GPS, they've possibly misinterpreted the maps and not realised that the road literally stops. At this point, they may have had little fuel or knew the RAV4 couldn't take them much further, so they've torched that for the very same reason. Evidence and the fact they were driving a dead mans car - the latter detail would become public eventually and the suspects would have known this. Now, I must stress that it is NOT confirmed that the RAV4 belonged to LD, however, this could be a detail LE are keeping closed in order to strengthen their case against the suspects.

Dump - I do not believe it was food they were after, I think they were after useful objects they could use for shelter, protection from wildlife etc. The terrain was probably worse than expected on their travels from Gillam so they may have not had enough supplies (given that they left some supplies in the RAV4 as LE confirmed there was camping gear burned inside it. Additionally, they may not have expected this degree of manhunt which perhaps made them ditch some of the items they were carrying (once they heard choppers etc) in their travels in order to move more swiftly.

The Terrain - I am NOT directly comparing the two, but the 84 elderly lady was found alive and well after needing to be cut out of the bushes after four days and nights (source: Missing 84-year-old Piney woman found safe). YES it was a little more south, YES she was an avid outdoorslady and YES it was four days and not seven BUT... these are two young healthy men who are wanting to evade and ellude LE. The old lass was WANTING to be found.

Just a bunch of thoughts rattling around in my head and at this point I am obsessed, delirious and can't make up my mind on whether they are alive, dead, smart, stupid, etc....

 

[Tee404]

I wondered about that too! How did it get flipped over?

LE or towtruck drivers would have gone in to retrieve the vehicle and it's likely flipped during this process

 

[minn77]

I wondered about that too! How did it get flipped over?

I posted a possible reason on the previous page. Flipped while winching onto road

 

[Seattle1]

Alexis Daish‏Verified account @LexiDaish
Danielle McMaster is a search volunteer with Bear Clan Patrol in York Landing - confirms one of the men spotted by her group of volunteers was wearing a camouflage shirt, like teen suspect Bryer Schmegelsky.@9NewsAUS

6:51 PM - 29 Jul 2019 pst

 

[tcfpne]

You can get a sim card at any 7-11 for $10. You just have to be able to go online to activate it. No ID needed and they can go into any phone. I'm not sure how their data plans work though. I know for calling/texting you can go in and buy however many minutes and you can just activate the refill on your phone. Data itself may be different.

Another thing I forgot to mention is that there are burner phones sold as a complete package, which is far more rare now here in Ontario where I am and then there is the option of walking in and buying a phone/just the SIM card, activating prepaid online in Canada (Bell, Rogers, Telus, Fido*(Rogers owned - prepaid primary)) and online activation doesn't require any actual confirmation of address, etc. You can then keep topping up the prepaid account and have data cheaper.

There is a good chance that if they picked up a prepaid phone before their adventure, which is common for people travelling who don't want to add roaming/etc to their main line - and that using this phone they have been tracking news, twitter, etc about themselves.

Once before going boating, I picked up a Rogers prepaid and Bell prepaid just to have a voice and data connection, cash, no ID. So even the network operator wouldn't have any details

 

[SiciC]

My dad being a long time now retired towtruck (recovery) operator wondered the same thing. Hes assuming it flipped over when being pulled onto the highway for removal

Thanks for this, that does make sense. I thought it was strange but I have no experience in that area so I couldn't figure it out.

 

[Trooper]

No fire, but those chemical heaters can get pretty hot. It could get picked up on FLIR. Of course you can also eat MREs cold. I doubt the instant coffee is good that way but everything else should be fine.



Also useful, since they were made to be emergency rations for boats so they can withstand wide ranges of temperatures. They don't taste very good, and aren't too nutritious - more about keeping you alive until help arrives.

15 days since the murders. That's ...err... 45 meals x 2 = 90 meals. That's just up until today. Could they be carrying that much ( and they don't know how many meals they will need, since they probably don't know how long their run is going to be ) while walking at a terrific pace to cover this ground? this rough and uncharted boggy and insect infested , unknown ground, and I think they must be trekking at night, also. . . .

 

[puppyraiser]

I know one should never assume anything, but it would seem based on replies to my cell phone questions that they probably aren't getting info about the manhunt via web access. They aren't running into 7-11 for sim cards and it's likely that prepaid data ran out unless they stocked up on phones in preparation.

 

[Seattle1]

@SiciC said: ↑
Okay, can anyone say why the initial pictures of the actively burning grey RAV 4 was rightside up, on its wheels... but almost all of the pictures of it being burned out and abandoned show it being on its rooftop.... Just wondering because CBC keeps showing the burned out images of the vehicle being upside down and on it's rooftop... but the first pics of it burning were not that way. Sorry I just can't make sense of this, can anyone else?

I wondered about that too! How did it get flipped over?

We talked about this earlier and the consensus was the Rav4 was flipped for ease to drag it towards the wrecker. Not so easy to drag on its axles. MOO

 

[tmar]

EXCLUSIVE: 'I should have done something': RCMP officer says he let fugitives slip through his fingers after they blew through a police checkpoint

Josh Boswell In Split Lake, Manitoba For Dailymail.com
24 mins ago
A police officer described to DailyMailTV how he stopped - but then let go - the two murder suspects because news of their alleged triple murder spree had not reached his small town in Manitoba.

Royal Canadian Mounted Police Constable Albert Saunders stopped teenagers Kam McLeod, 19, and Bryer Schmegelsky, 18, and searched their 2011 gray Toyota RAV4, after they blew through a police checkpoint at Split Lake, northern Manitoba on July 22.

In an exclusive interview, Saunders said, 'I didn't really know those guys were on the run, that's why I didn't think much about it at first, until after they posted the pictures of them the next day,' Saunders said.

...
But RCMP only warned its officers to be on the lookout for McLeod and Schmegelsky, both of Port Alberni, British Columbia, on July 23 - the day after Saunders spotted them.

Saunders described how he is now wracked with guilt after discovering he could have stopped the alleged serial killers in their tracks.


'I feel I could have done something more, like I should have done something earlier,' he said.
© Provided by Associated Newspapers Limited Kam McLeod Saunders said the teens drove past him and RCMP partner Morgan Spence at a traffic checkpoint in the RAV4, which had not yet been reported stolen from murder victim Leonard Dyck.

Saunders said,'They slowed down and then they drove by. I had the lights on and I was standing outside the truck. Me and my partner jumped in the truck and we went to stop them.'

Saunders said the boys saw the police in pursuit and pulled over.

He said, 'They turned off their engine, and I asked them why didn't they stop, they were supposed to stop when the lights are on.

© Provided by Associated Newspapers Limited Bryer Schmegelsky 'They were just telling me 'sorry'. I asked them where they came from. 'Vancouver' they told me. They looked scared.

'I spoke to the one with the mustache, Kam McLeod. He just kept saying, 'Sorry'. They didn't say where they were going.'

Saunders said he and his partner then inspected the vehicle.

'I told them I was going to do a quick search, and then I searched up,' Saunders said. 'They kept looking at each other. There was a couple of boxes in the back.'

Saunders only found survival gear and maps when he searched the car. He did not see any weapons.

Saunders said, 'I told them to stop next time there's a situation like this, and they said 'yep' and 'sorry', and they went. They pulled into town, got some gas, then went. They were heading up towards Gillam.'

...

They did head to Gillam, a small town 100 miles east of Split Lake. The stolen RAV4 was discovered burnt out there on July 23.

As officers at the Split Lake traffic stop are unarmed and have no bullet-proof vests, Saunders said he felt he also had a close brush with death that day.

'After I found out who they were I realised I could have got shot, or something could have happened to us. I was thinking about it a lot after I found out,' he said.
...
He told DailyMailTV, 'Morgan was talking to the thinner one, Schmegelsky. He was quiet. Morgan said that they'd have to take a look around, check their vehicle for alcohol or drugs.

'But looking at the vehicle that they were driving in, the constable said all that was in there was survival gear, blankets and a lot of maps.

'They said that they were just going to come into the community, fuel up and head back out.'
...
'They were pretty freaked out about it. They said that anything could have happened, especially two constables that weren't equipped or supplied with personal protective gear,' he told DailyMailTV.

'[Spence and Saunders were] dressed just like you and I, just regular clothes, no uniforms, no guns, no pepper spray, no batons, no nothing,' he added.

'All they do is stop the vehicle traffic coming into the community checking for alcohol and drugs. They were pretty damn lucky they didn't get shot or killed for stopping those two individuals.'

...

 

[BearCatSafari]

A good point was made here. If there were in fact two people seen by the "dump" who weren't the suspects, why were they not found?

Two people were spotted darting into the woods, the RCMP apparently arrived by air 30 minutes later, search all day, and find no one. Suspects or otherwise?

 

[Trooper]

Okay so I am ready to be totally hammered here, but I am going to throw out some random ideas I've been thinking - be nice..

PC's/Home Searches - Perhaps LE has found information either on the PC recovered from the burnt-out truck or from the suspect's homes that indicate plan at/around the Gillam region and that (as well as it being their last confirmed sighting) is why LE have been so heavily present there? LE just seem really hellbent on this area being crucial.

Murder of CD & LF - perhaps this was an opportunistic killing, or perhaps a robbery. I haven't decided my thoughts on this yet. But either way, they would have freaked out to some degree and just went hell for leather down the highway - fuelled on adrenlin and their "fight or flight" instincts. Everyone keeps asking why they would drive 7 hours then torch their comfortable camper.. but that is exactly what I would do in such a situation given that the camper was SO distinguishable (source: Redirect Notice) and may have contained evidence. Plus, they may have this mentality that "fire destroys everything - including all evidence".

Murder of LD - The suspect's vehicle was found burnt out around 1-2km from where LD's body was located. Now, given that LD was found on a small clearing area that slightly pulls out from the road (source: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...vancouver-death-wreath-quietly-laid-1.5226788 and https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-killed-missing-alaska-highway-1.5220571), I would say that LD was pulled into this either sleeping or collecting samples for his botany teachings and the suspects have come across him and murdered him for his vehicle, especially once they've realised the gold mine of supplies he has with him (camping gear, maps, food etc). At this time, they have taken a vehicle each (one in the camper and one in LD's RAV4, and driven 2km's up the road and then torched their vehicle for the reasons in the above point. IF, now IF they had some sort of half assed plan that involved the north, they would have thought "well ****, we've come 7 hours back the wrong way, we have to keep on with the mission". Hence they've back tracked to continue on their northerly travels.

Maps - Perhaps with the RAV4 full of equipment, they did intend on continuing north for whatever plan they had, but being millenial gamers reared on GPS, they've possibly misinterpreted the maps and not realised that the road literally stops. At this point, they may have had little fuel or knew the RAV4 couldn't take them much further, so they've torched that for the very same reason. Evidence and the fact they were driving a dead mans car - the latter detail would become public eventually and the suspects would have known this. Now, I must stress that it is NOT confirmed that the RAV4 belonged to LD, however, this could be a detail LE are keeping closed in order to strengthen their case against the suspects.

Dump - I do not believe it was food they were after, I think they were after useful objects they could use for shelter, protection from wildlife etc. The terrain was probably worse than expected on their travels from Gillam so they may have not had enough supplies (given that they left some supplies in the RAV4 as LE confirmed there was camping gear burned inside it. Additionally, they may not have expected this degree of manhunt which perhaps made them ditch some of the items they were carrying (once they heard choppers etc) in their travels in order to move more swiftly.

The Terrain - I am NOT directly comparing the two, but the 84 elderly lady was found alive and well after needing to be cut out of the bushes after four days and nights (source: Missing 84-year-old Piney woman found safe). YES it was a little more south, YES she was an avid outdoorslady and YES it was four days and not seven BUT... these are two young healthy men who are wanting to evade and ellude LE. The old lass was WANTING to be found.

Just a bunch of thoughts rattling around in my head and at this point I am obsessed, delirious and can't make up my mind on whether they are alive, dead, smart, stupid, etc....

That's ok.. that's ok ( pat, pat ) .. it's ok.. shh.. sleep, now.. sleeeeeep , rest .. the RCMP is on the trail.. here.. climb up onto Troopers knee... pat, pat.

Excellent points , and much to think on there....

 

[MistyWaters]

We know cell coverage is spotty at best. These two wouldn't still be using their own phones or I believe they would have been caught based on cell phone pings. It's highly doubtful they would be using LD's phone as LE would be tracking that one as well. I can't see them using the couple's phones (if they murdered them).
I'm not familiar with burner phones but do they have data capabilities where they could do a search online for info about the manhunt? And if burner phones do have data capabilities, does LE have a way of finding or tracking phones used in certain areas? I'm sure they brought along some portable/cube chargers but how long do those things hold a charge if they have a few and are using one at a time?

They ditched the RAV 4 before news broke of LD being identified and them being named suspects so how did they find out they were wanted and why continue trying to evade police if they are innocent. They have to hear the planes/dogs/searchers etc. if they are still alive (which I think they are)

Maybe they panicked after they tuned into a radio station on the cars radio and learned they’d been named suspects for three murders? Gillam has three stations. Tuesday, July 23rd was the day the RCMP confirmed they were sighted in Meadow Lake, Sask driving a grey 2011 RAV4 the day prior.

List of radio stations in Manitoba - Wikipedia

 

[Handsome Sailor]

Well, after all...they are subjects of the Queen.