Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #9

[MistyWaters]

Sarah Kraus (@SarahNKraus) on Twitter
Sara Kraus @GlobalEdmonton
We’re told this is the spot where Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky got stuck in
@CityofColdLake
on Sunday July 21. It’s next to a seniors home, a soccer field, and a backyard swimming pool that’s currently entertaining 4 kids.

 

[otto]

JMO
I cringe at the thought of being broken down on the side of that road as it was getting dark. Mainly I would be afraid of another driver going by that was falling asleep and veering off the shoulder and rear-ending me while I was sleeping.

One possibility that I have considered that does not involve the two boys and the Van incident is if some "official" happened to be driving by and decided to check on the Van not knowing there were two people sleeping inside. If this official person had a weapon he may have drawn it as he approached the vehicle not knowing what to expect.
Then if the man in the Van happened to have a weapon for wild animal protection he may have heard the stranger outside and fired a shot out the window thinking the person was there to do them harm. Then in a tragic turn of events the official person starts shooting back and ends up killing them both.

Then he panics afterwards and leaves.

Thats about the only possibility I can think of where someone else could be involved in the Van incident.

Oh, and of course there's the chance of the wanted Texas person being involved in some way. The odds of that seem unlikely to me but you never know I guess.

Maybe Chynna tried to signal to a passing driver by standing up when she waived, and maybe she didn't. Lucas spoke to people and declined assistance.

The description of the man who was talking to the couple matches the description of Kam.

 

[steelybird]

Wow have I entered into the "Twilight Zone"? Reading of the new reports that the guy who checked the vehicle on the Reserve is now saying he didn't see any camping gear, maps or liquor just 2 boxes and a suit instead? Huh!? What the heck, how can the story change so much? Not sure what to believe anymore in this case? Are we sure these 2 are really KM and BS? Crazy, they were seen at the dump and now RCMP are saying that's not even confirmed it was KM and BS. Where can I bang my head? (On second thought never mind that would hurt) lol

Didn’t BS dad say something about BS buying himself a suit? I wonder if this is the same suit and why it’s so important to him?

 

[sprucetip]

They have, assuming they are still alive , cut themselves off from all validation. They would have got chunks of satisfying ( to them ) validation from their gaming hours, and probably some, even if negative from their parents, / guardians.

But now, they have to validate each other, and they only have each other to receive validation from. A far cry from how it used to be. They would know by now they are hunted, and despised, .. all heavy baggage to carry.

No reports of any EFTPOS, or debit/credit card use, unless the RCMP is keeping that dark, as police orgs often do, so their cash would have run out days ago.

Is it possible for them to travel by night and lay up by day? . I think that would be more dangerous in Northern Canada, perhaps even more dangerous in summer than in winter, can anyone confirm?

Alternatively, they could be enjoying the ‘fame’ they’re getting (if they know about it!).

They could definitely travel at night, don’t forget, ‘night’ at this time of year isn’t very long. It would be more dangerous though- more critters out at night, harder to see where you’re going, etc.

 

[scrappinkat]

Maybe Chynna tried to signal to a passing driver by standing up when she waived, and maybe she didn't. Lucas spoke to people and declined assistance.

The description of the man who was talking to the couple matches the description of Kam.

Except Kam is tall, the bearded guy was shorter than Lucas who was 6’3”.

 

[mtnstream]

Regarding the disparity in news items, such as "money" morphing to "change" in the description of what came out of the RAV4, one factor is that some media outlets simply change the wording of another outlet's story and post it as their own. My rule of thumb is to take everything with a grain of salt.

I'm still wondering if the suspects hopped a train. I might be tilting at windmills, but I can't get over the fact that the RAV4 was reportedly found close to train tracks, in probably the only such convergence for hundreds of miles in any direction.

On the other hand, I find the theories that they could still be hiding in the brush in the general area, in spite of all the searching, quite plausible. Even dodging thermal-imaging aircraft would not be overly hard; they can hear them coming. It's even easier if they are near any form of cover whatsoever, including logs, rocks, and embankments. It would be easier still if they have one of those reflective survival blankets (mylar), often carried in cars (I keep several in mine). Many times, searches for lost people who want to be found have had great difficulty, so I can certainly understand it being very hard to find people who don't want to be found.

I'd also like to point out a misconception being spread by the press; York Factory. They have been conflating it with York Landing, where the Bear Clan sighting was. York Factory is actually a long ways east, very close to Hudson Bay, just south of the mouth of the Nelson River. So far as I know, it's a ghost town.

An interesting factor is water. Apparently, "beaver fever", more properly giardiasis, is said to be an issue with untreated water there. Unless the suspects took water filtration or purification pills along, they may well get it. I've seen quite a few saying that this would preclude them lasting this long. That's not quite so; infection onset is generally 1 to 3 weeks. Also, the majority of people drinking backcountry water untreated don't get it. You can also make a pretty effective filter from a few layers of cloth if need be. So, my guess; with a few supplies, plus if the berries are as plentiful as I've seen in other areas that far north at this time of year, they may well be just hiding well away from any passable tracks.

My guess is that if they are caught, it'll likely be due to raiding unoccupied (even for a few hours) properties for supplies.

I'm leaning towards the walked, hiked, train, had help from someone giving them a ride via road/boat, etc, towards Kelsey, or Thompson. If the timeline is correct from where they were last seen at split lake, it is plausible.

 

[Francie Starr]

I hope this guy might have some information if it turns out he was the one arguing with the victims that terrible night. https://steinbachonline.com/local/police-release-more-photos-of-suspected-murderer
It seems unlikely he'd voluntarily step up, though, given the patch of deep trouble he's already placed himself in.

 

[LadyL]

I haven't found any such information.

A couple things; a woman sees a vehicle on the side of the road, a totally normal occurrence, and contacts the highest form of LE within the country?

[sbm]

there's no one else to call - that is the police in that area

I have come to understand why the hwy worker watched the scene and it is out there thinking for me but I except it as it has been said. now, why did the lady high way worker not stop when she seen the van broke down. seems high way workers fill in until LE can get there so why drive on? could LE not have had to come 4 hours to check on the van after report called in and just sent a high way worker to check? seems like high way workers are dual use/job.

they sent the highway worker/medic to secure the scene until they could get there 4 hours later
as to the lady highway worker the night before not stopping - would you stop at night when by yourself?

From another thread here, the Texas murder suspect.

Also I searched and did not see a thread about the two missing men from Surrey BC. I realize the distance at the time seemed like quite a ways, but if KM and BS have travelled as far as we assumed then it's not unreasonable that they could be involved there too? Reaching again but there is a white Jeep associated with that story too. I do know white Jeeps are popular though I suppose.

much has been debated about them in earlier posts ... here's their thread:

CANADA - Canada - Ryan Provencher, 38, & Richard Scurr, 37, jeep found abandoned, Surrey, B.C, 17 July 2019

 

[minn77]

Sarah Kraus (@SarahNKraus) on Twitter
Sara Kraus @GlobalEdmonton
We’re told this is the spot where Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky got stuck in
@CityofColdLake
on Sunday July 21. It’s next to a seniors home, a soccer field, and a backyard swimming pool that’s currently entertaining 4 kids.
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What an odd place to be driving on the run

 

[Arizona 123]

edit: meant to quote Arizona123 in this (re: berries).

True. There are tons of Blackberries right now. If they were into outdoor survival they may have had all the equipment they'd need as well. Some seem to think they could be dead by now because of a few days in the bush, which I don't get.

And another thing I don't get: Why did they steal Len's car? They had their own truck with a camper on the back, nice place to sleep and all their supplies. So instead they exchange it for a a car linked to a dead man? Why? If they did kill Chynna and Lucas and no one was around to witness it, what were they worried about in regards to their truck? If they didn't kill them, why wouldn't they just rob Len, take his stuff, and go away in their own truck rather than driving around in a stolen vehicle?

Thanks on the blackberries info. That means they have a food source.

If they did steal the professor's car (as far as I can tell, that's officially unconfirmed) that's a real head-scratcher to me, when coupled with burning their truck within a mile or two.

That's one of the reasons I'm so interested in that burned truck, and wondering if it had been rolled. A scenario did come to mind; if true that B cannot drive, what if they stole the car, and B was behind the wheel of the truck as they made their escape, and rolled it. That's just wild theorizing on my part, but it would explain why the truck was burned so close.

What I do not understand is the apparent willingness to give their real full names in Clear Lake. Even if all they did was steal a car, that makes no sense at all, not after burning their truck. Actually, it could make sense in one way; they could be far dumber than we think.

 

[Sillybilly]

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Not sure daily mail is acceptable as a source though??

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[wary]

Said better above.

 

[Francie Starr]

I actually find the photos of the van half on the road to be quite disturbing. Did they seriously sleep in a van that was half on the road? Why did they not push it off the road? Why was it stopped on the road at all? There's lots and lots of room there to move the van off the road, so I don't get it.

Actually, it's probably truly impossible to know that is precisely the same place and van position on the road that the earlier witnesses saw?

 

[Sillybilly]

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