Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #1

[Paladine]

And what's up with a killer who stabs? He's a military man, wouldn't he know how to break a neck and kill more quickly? Tells me he's one mean, sadistic, demented goof...

 

[Summersolstice]

Russell Williams flew to the North Pole in September, 2009:

http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnists/joe_warmington/2010/02/08/12797536.html

 

[Paladine]

Russell Williams flew to the North Pole in September, 2009:

http://www.calgarysun.com/news/canada/2010/02/08/12797616.html

Any reports on the well-being of Mrs. Claus?

 

[Paladine]

Police to probe MacVicar case...

"Investigators will look into the unsolved murder of Kathleen MacVicar as they probe cases that may have intersected with the life of the man now accused of two murders near CFB Trenton.

Police said on Monday they will be investigating any connection to the 19-year-old's brutal murder in June 2001. The Nova Scotia teen was found in Middleton Park, a housing development inside CFB Trenton. MacVicar was staying with family at CFB Trenton when she disappeared June 13, 2001. Two days later her body was found in a wooded corner of the base. She had been raped and stabbed to death."

http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2441006

 

[Paladine]

Tire tracks lead to Williams...what luck! ETA...and good police work

"It was tire tracks in the snow at the scene of Jessica Lloyd's disappearance which led police to Colonel Russell Williams.

According to Globe and Mail sources, the distinctive tracks soon had detectives identifying the type of vehicle used in what appears to have been an abduction.

Last Thursday, on a stretch of rural highway, they set up the equivalent of a RIDE-program spot check, only this time they were looking not for drinking drivers, but certain vehicles.

Luck was on their side, because Col. Williams happened to be caught in the roadside check."

snipped>>>>

"And as quickly as the charges were laid against Col. Williams – he became the prime suspect in a string of unexplained attacks on women only five days ago – the detectives' net is widening even faster. Investigators are examining crime-scene evidence from several Eastern Ontario cities and additional charges are anticipated, sources familiar with the investigation said late last night. One officer close to the case said: “This may be all, but we suspect – a guy just doesn't start doing murders out of the blue.” "

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/tire-tracks-led-police-to-williams/article1461548/

 

[Paladine]

Video timeline of murders...link on left of page...

http://www.globaltoronto.com/VIDEO+Murders+Timeline/2540940/story.html?tab=VID

 

[Paladine]

I believe it was the neighbors/writer who made that claim. Yes, Williams was in Dubai at Camp Mirage. There were a number of "suicides" there, including a Canadian female military intelligence officer.
He has also travelled all over Canada. I think back to a recent news story about the FBI saying there is a link between serial murders in the U.S. and long-haul truckers. What about the randomness of a pilot crisscrossing the country, or many countries? He flew dignitaries, and dignitaries fly frequently to many destinations.

Have the OPP been to the house yet? The military were apparently guarding it. Ms. Harriman was reportedly taken away by the military. Aside from compassionate grounds, I have to wonder what kind of damage control is going on.

respectfully bolded by me...THAT is interesting. And from watching news, it seems they haven't entered the Ottawa house, yet.

And this confirms 2 postings...

"Williams has been based in other cities, including Shearwater, N.S., and Ottawa, during his military career."

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/sto...le-williams-murder-charges.html#ixzz0f45K4xdW

 

[antiquegirl]

And what's up with a killer who stabs? He's a military man, wouldn't he know how to break a neck and kill more quickly? Tells me he's one mean, sadistic, demented goof...

Yes. Stabbing is often a symbolic act, mimicking sexual penetration. It's a favourite of sadistic murderers who are aroused by the method as much, if not more so, than the actual rape.

JMO

 

[Dee10]

Lloyd's body underwent a post-mortem examination on Tuesday morning. http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...ldier_tuesday_100209/20100209/?hub=OttawaHome

I although I hope they will release the findings...I doubt they will judging from other cases.

 

[Hazel]

VIDEO (glimpse of area where poor Jessica's body was found)
http://www.ckwstv.com/index.cfm?page=news&id=1897

VIDEO (RW voice and demeanor)
http://www.ckwstv.com/index.cfm?page=news&id=1896

 

[antiquegirl]

A short summary of RW's positions and locations:

* WIlliams joined the Canadian Forces in 1987 after obtaining a degree in economics and political science from the University of Toronto.

* Williams earned his wings in 1990 and was posted to 3 Canadian Forces Flying Training School, based in Portage La Prairie, Man., where he served for two years as an instructor.

* In 1992, Williams was posted to 434 Combat Support Squadron in Shearwater, N.S., where he flew the CC-144 Challenger in the electronic warfare and coastal patrol role.

* He was then posted to the 412 Transport Squadron in Ottawa, where he transported VIPs, including high-ranking government officials and foreign dignitaries, also on Challengers.

* Williams was promoted to major in November 1999 and was posted to Director General Military Careers, where he served as the multi-engine pilot career manager.

* From August 2003 to June 2004, Williams obtained a master's of defence studies from the Royal Military College in Kingston, Ont.

* In June 2004, he was promoted to lieutenant-colonel and was appointed commanding officer of 437 Transport Squadron in Trenton, Ont., a post he held for two years.

* Between December 2005 and June 2006, he was the commanding officer for Camp Mirage, the secretive Canadian Forces forward logistics base that's not officially acknowledged by the government or military but has been widely reported to be near Dubai.

* He was posted to the Directorate of Air Requirements in July 2006 where he served as project director for the Airlift Capability Projects Strategic (CC177 Globemaster III) and Tactical (CC130J Hercules J), and Fixed-Wing Search and Rescue.

* In January 2009 he was posted to the Canadian Forces Language School in Gatineau, Que., for a six-month period of French language training, during which he was promoted to colonel.

* Williams succeed Col. Mike Hood as commanding officer at CFB Trenton on July 15, 2009.

* On Dec. 11, 2009, Col. Russ Williams welcomed the Olympic torch when it stopped in Trenton. He said: "On behalf of the base I would like to take the time to thank RBC for providing us with the opportunity to participate in this event. It's very exciting to be a part of this."

* On Jan. 30, 2010, Williams was interviewed about 8 Wing's participation in Haiti relief. Williams said that in addition to Haiti, 8 Wing co-ordinates the resupply for Canada's mission in Afghanistan and air support for the Vancouver Olympics, which has a significant military presence.

* According to Williams's DND profile, he is a keen photographer, fisherman and runner. Williams is married to a woman named Mary Elizabeth, and they lived on Cosy Cover Lane in Tweed, Ont., which is about 60 kilometres northeast of CFB Trenton.


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/02/08/f-williams-biography.html#ixzz0f4HxR1hi

 

[maxfactor]

It seems that Williams is being erased from military websites as we speak.

That was fast!

 

[Paladine]

Antiquegirl....what an informative post! Thanks so much...

 

[Dee10]

"On Tuesday, Ontario Provincial Police entered the couple's home on Edison Avenue in Ottawa's Westboro neighbourhood shortly before 2 p.m. They came out 15 minutes later carrying two bags, threw them into a police car and drove away.

White described Williams as extremely ambitious. He was guarded about personal affairs, but not reclusive. He was often seen jogging through the neighbourhood."
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/02/09/belleville-williams-murder-charges.html

Although this referred to the Ottawa house; food for thought.

 

[pjgrrrl]

I'm curious where you're seeing the "gentleman" here. All I see is the anger and sadist profile. From what we've been told about the victims and the circumstances of the attacks, it seems that he stalked them first, determined that they would be alone, and then pounced. Even people who work long hours get time off. I suspect he may have followed them in his car at night and waited for his opportunity. I believe that it will be determined that RW fits the profile of a sadistic sociopath and that more crimes will be revealed in the near future. I'll be very surprised if Kathleen MacVicar isn't one of them.

JMO

I see gentleman here:

Even when he cut off her clothes with a knife and said, “I’ll be careful not to cut you.”

Even when he assaulted her.

Even when he took photographs, letting her touch the camera so she’d know.

Even when he told her: “You seem like a nice lady.”

“It was so bizarre,” she says. “He was playing a game with me. I had conversations with him the whole time, almost like I was negotiating with him.”

“You’re going to kill me, aren’t you?” she asked him, early on.

“No need for that,” he replied.


It seems like he was not very angry oriented and did not cause a lot of bodily harm, right?

I have new information that just kills me... This case has absolutely taken its toll on me, and all i do is sleep.

 

[pjgrrrl]

And what's up with a killer who stabs? He's a military man, wouldn't he know how to break a neck and kill more quickly? Tells me he's one mean, sadistic, demented goof...

Well for one, if he would use his blunt force with his fists, that might be a bit obvious. My guess is that he thought two steps ahead and figured that using a knife didn't necessarily point to someone in the forces. JMO
And yes, a lot of sadist rapists/killers tend to mimic the act of penetration with a knife. MANY also penetrate said wounds with their appendages. TMI I know, but just a fact.

 

[Dee10]

I see gentleman here:

Even when he cut off her clothes with a knife and said, “I’ll be careful not to cut you.”

Even when he assaulted her.

Even when he took photographs, letting her touch the camera so she’d know.

Even when he told her: “You seem like a nice lady.”

“It was so bizarre,” she says. “He was playing a game with me. I had conversations with him the whole time, almost like I was negotiating with him.”

“You’re going to kill me, aren’t you?” she asked him, early on.

“No need for that,” he replied.


It seems like he was not very angry oriented and did not cause a lot of bodily harm, right?

I have new information that just kills me... This case has absolutely taken its toll on me, and all i do is sleep.

"But it was a man. A strong man. She struggled. He beat her about the head. She broke free enough to breathe."

This case is very draining, I agree.

 

[spook1381]

There was an unsolved murder of a 19 year old girl on the CFB Trenton in 2001 Her body was found in a field on the base,. Name McVicker. She was living on the base and had conections with base personel. She was from Nova Scotia. Williams was at Military School in Kingston at the time just an hour away. He had also been at Searwater N.S. Could there be a connection. DNA should quickly resolve all recent unsolved cases.

 

[pjgrrrl]

"But it was a man. A strong man. She struggled. He beat her about the head. She broke free enough to breathe."

This case is very draining, I agree.

I guess what I am seeing is that he killed twice (that we know of) but she was calm enough and he was calm enough that they conversed. I mean I have been there, it was not pretty at all. But this story makes it sound like he was pretty calm about it- aside from the head punches. He never killed her, he talked to her- he told her he wasn't going to hurt her with the knife. That fits the gentleman profile to me.

 

[antiquegirl]

I guess what I am seeing is that he killed twice (that we know of) but she was calm enough and he was calm enough that they conversed. I mean I have been there, it was not pretty at all. But this story makes it sound like he was pretty calm about it- aside from the head punches. He never killed her, he talked to her- he told her he wasn't going to hurt her with the knife. That fits the gentleman profile to me.

PJ, I'm sorry to hear that you may have had a similar experience. If you'd like to share some of that, this is the place where you'll have a sympathetic audience and you wouldn't be the first to do so.

Also, I don't think I'm the only one here who wouldn't be interested in knowing at least a bit about what upsetting info about this case you heard today. How well do you know the family?

Sorry if this sounds nosy, but you can't expect to drop tidbits like these without arousing curiosity.

TIA