Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #2

[antiquegirl]

Supposedly, he trial rigged his suicide the day before by putting a pencil in his cell lock...Wouldn't it have been better to preserve the pencil for the suicide note...I mean, instead of the mustard? Something doesn't seem quite right in the reporting or perhaps the "handling" of RW...I mean, did he really have a pencil and instead chose to try to kill himself with toilet paper stuffed with Alcan?

Huh?

We don't know much about that pencil. Have you guys ever seen those little pencils given out at golf courses? They're about 4" long. You'd have to be pretty resourceful to stab yourself with something that short, especially if it was blunt, which I suspect it was. And of course, he wouldn't have anything to sharpen it with, would he? I suppose if he could get a good enough grip on it, he might be able to put an eye out, but there's no way he could do permanent damage with a blunt, 4" pencil.

As for the suicide note, I would think that after he jammed the lock with the pencil, it was confiscated and he was forced to use mustard the second time for the message.

We don't know enough, is all I'm saying.

JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

And I'm betting that your spelling of the name is NOT a typo.

Say what ??? !!!:innocent:

 

[Summersolstice]

Any feelings he might have relate only to himself. He's been caught. Perhaps that is what is so "unbearable"? If so, it's a good thing that he's having to put up with such emotions strapped into whatever girdle he has to be strapped into.

With an alleged 48 possibilities, that alone would be an overwhelming choice.

 

[Summersolstice]

I think he is trying to get a one way ticket to a psych ward! That 15 min. doesnt make sense if he had a wad of tin foil down his throat...I think he is trying to outsmart someone....still trying to have his control.

Anyone who has a large dog knows that the consumption of toilet paper rolls/tin foil is not usually fatal.

 

[Summersolstice]

Col Mustard, in the cell, with a toilet paper roll....game over!

Went back to read about the game:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cluedo_characters#Colonel_Mustard

 

[Summersolstice]

Very interesting comments here:

http://network.nationalpost.com/NP/...-williams-quot-tktk-quot-suicide-attempt.aspx

 

[pinkeyesucks]

Tinfoil and toilet paper rolls....I wonder if there is any possible way you could force this down your windpipe without all of your survival reflexes forcing it back out. Now if someone attempted to do it to you, maybe...they would have to be freaking strong to pull it off. Seems like a pitiful attempt to show remorse (?) or guilt (?) or an attempt to pull himself off as a "normal" person should following an arrest for a major crime.

I tend to agree with the past comment- tinfoil and toilet paper rolls don't even make enough of a problem to require surgical removal from animals.

Just my opinion

 

[antiquegirl]

Another expert speaks up:

Colonel Russell Williams' apparent suicide attempt is not necessarily an indication he is guilty or feels remorse, experts say. Severe guilt can play a role in an attempted prison suicide, but childhood trauma, mental illness, isolation and the shock of being behind bars for the first time are also possible factors, among others.

Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=2766987#ixzz0kIY068ht

 

[RubyRed]

col mustard, in the cell, with a toilet paper roll....game over!

lol lol

 

[Pink Panther]

An update from the Whig Standard:

http://www.thewhig.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2521396

 

[antiquegirl]

An update from the Whig Standard:

http://www.thewhig.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2521396

Sources at Quinte say Williams, who is still receiving regular visits from his wife each week ...

I am very surprised by this. This sounds like support. If I were in this woman's shoes (heaven forbid), I might visit once in a while to get some questions answered, but weekly? Helz no! How many of you would pay weekly visits to this man if he were your husband?

For the record, I believe that this was a legitimate attempt at suicide by RW. If he had been merely seeking attention or trying to establish an insanity defence, he wouldn not have staged the trial run on Friday, nor tried to jam the lock the second time.

Also, any lawyer worth his salt would have already advised him that insanity pleas are seldom used and even more seldom successful. That RW exhibited a completely normal persona in a high-profile career right up until his arrest negates any possible claim of a mental illness or diminished capacity. I'd think that regular medical and performance evaluations in the Air Force would be proof enough of his sanity. Legally, it would have to be proven that he couldn't distinguish between right and wrong and that's a tough call. This is not some homeless, alcoholic vagrant off the streets. So, I rule out that we'll be seeing any insanity plea.

I'm going with the assessment that RW is a sexual deviant and a coward to boot.

All above JMHO.

 

[Pink Panther]

I have never heard of anyone killing themselves by ingesting cardboard and aluminum foil. Can it actually be done???

 

[nobodyzgirl]

I am very surprised by this. This sounds like support. If I were in this woman's shoes (heaven forbid), I might visit once in a while to get some questions answered, but weekly? Helz no! How many of you would pay weekly visits to this man if he were your husband?

She's likely been getting documents signed (i.e, having the real estate transferred in her name only, divorce papers, changing bank accounts, if they were joint, etc.) - I can't see her being there to support him - though that's just my opinion. If I were in her shoes, I might show up at the jail to ask him why he did what he did - though that's just me - I'm curious by nature.

For the record, I believe that this was a legitimate attempt at suicide by RW. If he had been merely seeking attention or trying to establish an insanity defence, he wouldn not have staged the trial run on Friday, nor tried to jam the lock the second time.

I suspect it was a real attempt also, though the guards should have realized and been watching a lot more closely since he tried it out just to see how long it would take for them to get into his cell. This article, actually makes me think that they are covering up a "mistake" made by some of the guards who are supposed to watch him, which was the story was entitled "Inmate Tricked Jail Staff".

Also, any lawyer worth his salt would have already advised him that insanity pleas are seldom used and even more seldom successful. That RW exhibited a completely normal persona in a high-profile career right up until his arrest negates any possible claim of a mental illness or diminished capacity. I'd think that regular medical and performance evaluations in the Air Force would be proof enough of his sanity. Legally, it would have to be proven that he couldn't distinguish between right and wrong and that's a tough call. This is not some homeless, alcoholic vagrant off the streets. So, I rule out that we'll be seeing any insanity plea.

ITA AG, I don't think his lawyer will go after an insanity defence, though that doesn't mean that RW didn't do this to try and make it look like he's insane. I'm actually leaning more towards he's having a hard time dealing with being behind bars and having no control over the situation (which I'm sure he did when he was in the army). He's likely having an emotional breakdown and I also agree, he's just a coward and no doubt we will hear of other attempts to take his life before this is all over, because he likely doesn't want to stand trial and be judged by his peers so he is going to take the cowardly way out and end his life.

This is all JMOO.

 

[antiquegirl]

I have never heard of anyone killing themselves by ingesting cardboard and aluminum foil. Can it actually be done???

He wasn't trying to eat it; he was trying to suffocate himself by cutting off his oxygen supply. It's possible that he also stuffed paper in his nostrils, but it would take an enormous amount of will power not to remove these obstructions once he actually was struggling for air. I doubt he would have succeeded even if not rescued by the guards. But desperate times call for desperate measures, as they say.

Yes, it's a unique and unusual way to try to commit suicide, but he probably had very few other options in materials and methods.

JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

from:
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/04/05/13474776-qmi.html

He has been writing in a diary in what appears to be code. The writings are seen by staff who search his cell. The code appears between sentences he writes about the mundane affairs of daily life in a jail.

I find this particular tidbit intriguing. If he was/is planning suicide, who would subsequently read his "code"? IMO, code seems to indicate his writings are not intended to be interpreted by the Average Joe. If he has told all (?), why would it be necessary for him to leave coded messages for anyone?

 

[antiquegirl]

(Respectfully snipped)

She's likely been getting documents signed (i.e, having the real estate transferred in her name only, divorce papers, changing bank accounts, if they were joint, etc.) - I can't see her being there to support him - though that's just my opinion. If I were in her shoes, I might show up at the jail to ask him why he did what he did - though that's just me - I'm curious by nature.

Excellent reasoning. But could she not get her lawyer to do this for her? I also can't believe that she's supporting him at this time. Maybe her lawyer is with her and they need both their signatures at the same time? (No word about his mother or brother paying him visits.)

I suspect it was a real attempt also, though the guards should have realized and been watching a lot more closely since he tried it out just to see how long it would take for them to get into his cell. This article, actually makes me think that they are covering up a "mistake" made by some of the guards who are supposed to watch him, which was the story was entitled "Inmate Tricked Jail Staff".

ITA. Really, you can bet they'll be keeping a much closer eye on him now. You would have thought that Friday's trial run with the pencil would have put the staff on high alert.

JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

I have never heard of anyone killing themselves by ingesting cardboard and aluminum foil. Can it actually be done???

No .. all attempts are foiled

Sorry Panther ... best i could do. By googling "suicide by choking", I found a few occasions where suicide by choking was successful:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...mmits_suicide_by_swallowing_toilet_paper.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16738440

 

[satchel]

from:
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/04/05/13474776-qmi.html



I find this particular tidbit intriguing. If he was/is planning suicide, who would subsequently read his "code"? IMO, code seems to indicate his writings are not intended to be interpreted by the Average Joe. If he has told all (?), why would it be necessary for him to leave coded messages for anyone?

When I read this I automatically thought that it was code for himself, so that he is able to write his thoughts privately. JMO. It will also come in handy for him to pass the decipher instructions along to the author of his narcissistic life-story.

 

[antiquegirl]

from:
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/04/05/13474776-qmi.html



I find this particular tidbit intriguing. If he was/is planning suicide, who would subsequently read his "code"? IMO, code seems to indicate his writings are not intended to be interpreted by the Average Joe. If he has told all (?), why would it be necessary for him to leave coded messages for anyone?

It's hard to speculate when no one (yet) knows what the coded messages mean. Could be total gobbledygook, or nothing to do with his crimes. Can the diary legally be confiscated from him? There are experts at deciphering all kinds of code.

It's possible that he hasn't been planning suicide all along, but that it was a recent impulse.

Oh, the shrinks are going to have a field day with this guy!

JMO

 

[pinkeyesucks]

I dunno guys. I sometimes wonder why they WOULDN'T think the following statement is true...

Posted By ROB TRIPP, THE WHIG-STANDARD

"Sources at Quinte say Williams, who is still receiving regular visits from his wife each week, is now considered a dangerous, conniving prisoner whose conduct is unpredictable."

Really? It is just occurring to them now, after he (laughably) attempted to kill himself? And they didn't think of it before now, I mean, he is accused of the rather brutal assaults and murders...

I wonder if the suicidal tendency showed up after a visit with his wife.

If I was in the same situation (accused of murder and assaults and held in jail I mean) I think that I might have tried the head dive off of the stainless steel sink if I was serious about offing myself. That is far more feasible than suffocation. But perhaps it is an offshoot of autoerotic asphyxiation. I see many long nights of weird research in my future

Completely based on my odd opinions, and not worth much