Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #2

[antiquegirl]

I agree AG ... in short, and as horribly blunt as this sounds, it wouldn't surprise me if this guy suicides.

It occurred to me, too. I think they'll be keeping a close eye on him. Right now, I assume he must be kept very busy being interrogated by various LE and perhaps getting legal advice.

JMO

 

[matou]

A very good article with some strange and interesting facts about the colonel. A definite must-read. Here is a snippet:

Ironically enough, police visited Williams that very morning—but it was all part of a charity gag. During the “Jail and Bail” fundraiser, military police descended on the headquarters building and handcuffed senior staff, who were then tossed in a cell until guards raised enough bail money. All the proceeds went to the United Way. “It was a great event,” says Lewis, who is pictured in the base newspaper—hands cuffed behind his back—standing beside a smiling Russell Williams.

What the photo doesn’t show, however, is that Williams refused to step inside the cell. He posed with the handcuffs, but declined to spend even a few minutes behind bars. “He said he was too busy,” Lewis says. “He didn’t show any queasiness or anything. He just said he didn’t want to go to the jail.” If investigators are correct, Williams knew that Comeau’s corpse was inside her house, waiting to be discovered.

BBM

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/02/19/‘behind-those-eyes’/5/

I have to wonder if the issue of Comeau coming home at noon is correct. This article states that Williams may have already killed Comeau by that morning.

 

[Hazel]

EDIT: Sorry, but I just read the entire article and I've sort of changed my mind. Having read the rest of it, I now think maybe the dates could be a journalistic error. Hazel, do you feel like writing to the Northhumberland News and asking for a clarification? If not, I could do it on Friday. If this is indeed a mistake, it's a huge one and should be corrected.

:blowkiss: PLEASE antiquegirl, you write to them. nline: You could explain it much better!

I've been looking to see if the following was also mentioned in older articles, but cannot find it so far.

A second woman, Cpl. Marie France Comeau of the 437th squadron, Trenton, was found dead in her home in Brighton on Nov. 25, 2009.

Comeau’s boyfriend discovered her body inside her Raglan St. home, neighbours said.

He had come to check up on her after she missed a shift as a flight attendant with 437th transport squadron at CFB Trenton.

“He came out white as a ghost, just saying, ‘She’s been killed. She’s dead,’” one neighbour said.

source : The Spec

“She loved her job. She loved learning about cultures. She wanted to travel the world,” said Alain Plante, a basic-training instructor who dated Comeau for four years.

The two spoke on Nov. 22, 2009. Three days later, her boyfriend — checking up on her because she had missed a shift — found her dead inside her Brighton home.

source : The Star

If Marie-France left in the morning (presumably to go to work) and came back around noon, how could she have missed a shift?

Unless this is also a mistake, and journalist got mixed up with Jessica missing a shift. That's why I was trying to find an old account of Marie's death, to see if there had been mention of her missing a shift. Missing for 1 hour wouldn't make the boyfriend go look for her, IMHO.

 

[satchel]

A very good article with some strange and interesting facts about the colonel. A definite must-read. Here is a snippet:


BBM

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/02/19/‘behind-those-eyes’/5/

I have to wonder if the issue of Comeau coming home at noon is correct. This article states that Williams may have already killed Comeau by that morning.

This thought is a bit absurd BUT, I was thinking (only speculation of course) Is it possible that RW dressed in clothes similar to MC's military (work) clothes and went back at lunch to throw off the neighbours. I realize he is quite different in size but would anyone really be looking that closely?

 

[Hazel]

I noticed the date on this article referred to earlier and it is the same date that Jessica was last seen (Jan 28th). I wonder if the colonel knew in advance of this article that the OPP was asking for help from the public in regards to Marie Comeau. It is a big coincidence but I have to wonder if it triggered him to assault and murder another woman.

OPP seek public’s assistance in Brighton murder case: http://northumberlandnews.com/news/article/147213

Yep! I did notice that! Found that article in an army force forum

 

[Hazel]

A very good article with some strange and interesting facts about the colonel. A definite must-read. Here is a snippet:


BBM

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/02/19/‘behind-those-eyes’/5/

I have to wonder if the issue of Comeau coming home at noon is correct. This article states that Williams may have already killed Comeau by that morning.

Read my posts # 252 and # 283 .... if all those articles are accurate, I'm starting to believe that MFC was last seen noon of Tuesday Nov. 24th. IMO (and if those articles are correct), "someone" could have already been there, or broken into her home later that afternoon, evening or night/early hours of Wed. Nov. 25th, while she was asleep. When she didn't go to work in the morning, and missed her shift, they probably tried to contact her by phone. No answer, so her boyfriend decided to go check on her, and we know the rest. This is just speculation, but will make sense, and will explain a lot of things.

It all depends on what the coroner found out during the PM = Time of Death: ?

 

[antiquegirl]

:blowkiss: PLEASE antiquegirl, you write to them. nline: You could explain it much better!

Hi, Hazel. I wrote to them late last night and got a reply this morning. It's in my Post #270 (which I can't seem to link for some reason). They confirmed that the printed dates are correct.

I've been looking to see if the following was also mentioned in older articles, but cannot find it so far.

source : The Spec


source : The Star

If Marie-France left in the morning (presumably to go to work) and came back around noon, how could she have missed a shift?

Unless this is also a mistake, and journalist got mixed up with Jessica missing a shift. That's why I was trying to find an old account of Marie's death, to see if there had been mention of her missing a shift. Missing for 1 hour wouldn't make the boyfriend go look for her, IMHO.

In light of all the above, I now believe that either the neighbour who claimed to have seen MC arrive home at lunchtime that day was mistaken, or that the media messed it up. Maybe both. It seems more likely now that she hadn't been seen since the previous day. I think missing a shift would be much easier to prove than some neighbour's word. That's just the way I see it.

 

[flipflop]

Jessica Lloyd was last heard from on Jan. 28, when she typed a late-night text message to a friend. The following morning, a Friday, Col. Russell Williams called in sick. At the time, a nasty flu bug was swirling around the headquarters building at Canadian Forces Base Trenton, so nobody had any reason to doubt his sniffles. Or suspect that he might be covering up a murder
Over the next 48 hours—while police in Belleville, Ont., ramped up their search for Jessica Lloyd—Williams remained in the capital with Mary Liz. He took Monday off, too, as part of a pre*-arranged leave. On Tuesday, after meeting with members of the Challenger squadron, the Ottawa-based unit that ferries prime ministers and other dignitaries around the country, the colonel climbed into his SUV and headed back to Tweed. Lloyd was still unaccounted for.
http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/02/19/‘behind-those-eyes’/

On day seven, Williams visited the salad bar for lunch. It was now Feb. 4, a Thursday, and he was sitting with a group of colleagues in a base cafeteria when he noticed Janet Wright standing near the cash register. The colonel waved her over and pulled out a chair.
Wright felt comfortable asking him during a phone conversation what he thought of the gossip around his street. In September, two Tweed women had been sexually assaulted in their homes—both tied to a chair, stripped naked and photographed—and Williams’s next-door neighbour, Larry Jones, was fingered as the prime suspect. “I spoke with him at length about it,” she says of Williams. “He said, ‘Oh, it wouldn’t be Larry. Larry would never do something like that.’ He even indicated to me that Mary Elizabeth was also very upset about it

 

[flipflop]

If police are right, this is a man who, after a 12-hour flight from the North Pole, drove home to Tweed, raped a neighbour, and returned to Belleville early the next morning to attend a meeting with—of all people—police officers, who had raised some money for a charity that supports wounded soldiers.

If police are right, this is a man who, in the early morning darkness of Sept. 30, broke into another home, sexually assaulted another woman, and a few hours later was back in uniform, grinning ear to ear as he awarded a service medal to a fellow airman.

If police are right, this is a man who, after murdering a corporal under his command, hammed it up for the camera during a “Jail and Bail” fundraiser—and who, after military police jokingly slapped him in handcuffs, refused to spend a few hours behind bars as part of the shtick because he “was too busy.”

And if police are right, this is a man who killed 27-year-old Jessica Lloyd, then spent the next week as focused as ever on his high-pressure posting. Even on Feb. 5, the day after police pulled him over, he seemed like a leader in full control. “He was perfectly fine,” says Lt.-Col. Sean Lewis, the last person to see him in uniform.
http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/02/19/‘behind-those-eyes’/2/

 

[Summersolstice]

The issue of trophy photos in Somalia came up here, and a whole lot of other questions about what the Canadian military does:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...t-somalia-but-it-s-same-story-in-so-many-ways

 

[antiquegirl]

Read my posts # 252 and # 283 .... if all those articles are accurate, I'm starting to believe that MFC was last seen noon of Tuesday Nov. 24th. IMO (and if those articles are correct), "someone" could have already been there, or broken into her home later that afternoon, evening or night/early hours of Wed. Nov. 25th, while she was asleep. When she didn't go to work in the morning, and missed her shift, they probably tried to contact her by phone. No answer, so her boyfriend decided to go check on her, and we know the rest. This is just speculation, but will make sense, and will explain a lot of things.

It all depends on what the coroner found out during the PM = Time of Death: ?

Sorry to repeat my last post, but ITA. RW was pretty darn busy that morning and his activities on the base recorded. According to the Macleans timeline, MFC was already dead when those pictures of RW in handcuffs were taken. For him to drive to Brighton after that and then back to Trenton to resume work stretches belief. Except for the night hours, this was an extremely busy man whose every daily activity seems to have been documented by his aide. I also can't believe that he would break his MO and take the risk of being seen there mid-day.

I have to conclude that the original neighbours quoted here must have been thinking of Tuesday. I strongly believe that MFC was killed late Tuesday night/early Wednesday morning. You're right, Hazel, the coroner's report would prove it.

JMO

 

[Summersolstice]

Stumbled upon this article, which is from an FBI report that was released to Police. Thought you might want to ponder it, seeings as how the vast majority of my own knowledge tends to be Hollywood based

http://www.all-about-forensic-psychology.com/serial-killers.html

"It has been widely believed that once serial killers start killing, they cannot stop. There are, however, some serial killers who stop murdering altogether before being caught. In these instances, there are events or circumstances in offenders’ lives that inhibit them from pursuing more victims. These can include increased participation in family activities, sexual substitution, and other diversions."

Interesting....very interesting....

Did you notice how many times there was a military connection in that article?

 

[pinkeyesucks]

:blowkiss: PLEASE antiquegirl, you write to them. nline: You could explain it much better!

I've been looking to see if the following was also mentioned in older articles, but cannot find it so far.

source : The Spec


source : The Star

If Marie-France left in the morning (presumably to go to work) and came back around noon, how could she have missed a shift?

Completely agree, and have been saying so since the beginning. Some articles state that she "missed a shift", and others are NOW saying that she came home at lunch. And if you look at the .pdf file of the charges it states that "between the 24th and 25th of November in the town of Brighton did commit first degree murder..."



http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/williams-charges.pdf

I am finding this frustrating to sift through since main stream media has taken over....

And if the charges are correct and full, there is nothing saying that he sexually assaulted either Marie or Jessica. Would that be added later? Or was there sexual assault in either case.

 

[maxfactor]

Did you notice how many times there was a military connection in that article?

I did.

 

[pinkeyesucks]

Did you notice how many times there was a military connection in that article?

Hell yeah it gave me the goosebumps. There is a full version of the report here: http://crime.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=...://www.fbi.gov/publications/serial_murder.htm

But the summary version that I posted previously was accurate to the original report, and much quicker to read

 

[flipflop]

:blowkiss: PLEASE antiquegirl, you write to them. nline: You could explain it much better!

I've been looking to see if the following was also mentioned in older articles, but cannot find it so far.

source : The Spec


source : The Star

If Marie-France left in the morning (presumably to go to work) and came back around noon, how could she have missed a shift?

Unless this is also a mistake, and journalist got mixed up with Jessica missing a shift. That's why I was trying to find an old account of Marie's death, to see if there had been mention of her missing a shift. Missing for 1 hour wouldn't make the boyfriend go look for her, IMHO.

Nov. 15, 2009: Marie-France Comeau, a 37-year-old corporal and flight attendant with CFB Trenton’s 437 transport squadron, is found slain in her Brighton, Ont., home. Her boyfriend discovers her body after she missed a shift at work. http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/762461--timeline

27-year-old Jessica Lloyd, was reported missing when she failed to show up for her shift with Tri-Board Student Transportation in the town of Napanee
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rged-with-murder-of-two-women/article1460795/

I as well wonder if media mixed these up.

 

[antiquegirl]

Completely agree, and have been saying so since the beginning. Some articles state that she "missed a shift", and others are NOW saying that she came home at lunch. And if you look at the .pdf file of the charges it states that "between the 24th and 25th of November in the town of Brighton did commit first degree murder..."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/williams-charges.pdf

I am finding this frustrating to sift through since main stream media has taken over....

And if the charges are correct and full, there is nothing saying that he sexually assaulted either Marie or Jessica. Would that be added later? Or was there sexual assault in either case.

(LOL @ your editing explanation, pink!)

I couldn't find anything to confirm that either Marie or Jessica were sexually assaulted, but this was reported about Marie:

"A source said she had been gagged and blindfolded before the killing."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-were-asphyxiated-source-says/article1465532/

This fits with his MO in the September attacks and I think it's safe to assume that sexual assault took place.

As well, I'm thinking that when the charge is first-degree murder, lesser charges relating to that are not necessary, as this is as serious as it gets. From Wikipedia:

In Canada, murder is classified as either first or second degree.[42]

1. First degree murder is a murder which is (1) planned and deliberate, (2) contracted, (3) committed against an identified peace officer, (4) while committing or attempting to commit one of the following offences (hijacking an aircraft, sexual assault, sexual assault with a weapon, aggravated sexual assault, kidnapping and forcible confinement or hostage taking), (5) while committing criminal harassment, (6) committed during terrorist activity, (7) while using explosives in association with a criminal organization, or (8) while committing intimidation.[43]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder#First_and_second_degree

I underlined the relevant parts above. I'm not a lawyer, but assume that these would be included in the murder charges.

JMO

 

[flipflop]

Was just doing some searches and came across this army forum. Not sure if anyone has ready any of the posts, but this particular one caught my eye. http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,90764.120.html

« Reply #130 on: February 14, 2010, 15:17:53 »I have had a thouht bare with me it is rare and can cause some intense pain...
Should the Col be found Guilty of these charges could and should any member who had been charged 129 and found guilty by the Col in any of his precious postings have the right to appeal the guilty verdict...
Seems to me that there is no more conduct unbecoming of a CF member then what the Col is charged with.
That being said of course this is all based on him being guilty which has not been proven yet.

This got me wondering...if any rapes etc on base occured ,the Col. would deliver their verdict to the perp? (Not sure if this is correct, but if it is...) Then I was thinking back to Mr Jones and how he explained how he felt RW was trying to frame him. I just wonder if he framed any of the above that he charged on base, hmmmm just makes ya think!

 

[RubyRed]

Was just doing some searches and came across this army forum. Not sure if anyone has ready any of the posts, but this particular one caught my eye. http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,90764.120.html

« Reply #130 on: February 14, 2010, 15:17:53 »I have had a thouht bare with me it is rare and can cause some intense pain...
Should the Col be found Guilty of these charges could and should any member who had been charged 129 and found guilty by the Col in any of his precious postings have the right to appeal the guilty verdict...
Seems to me that there is no more conduct unbecoming of a CF member then what the Col is charged with.
That being said of course this is all based on him being guilty which has not been proven yet.

This got me wondering...if any rapes etc on base occured ,the Col. would deliver their verdict to the perp? (Not sure if this is correct, but if it is...) Then I was thinking back to Mr Jones and how he explained how he felt RW was trying to frame him. I just wonder if he framed any of the above that he charged on base, hmmmm just makes ya think!

Interesting, thanks for finding that.

 

[antiquegirl]

I was able to find this on multiple criminal charges and the inclusion of lesser crimes within those of more serious ones. It's a lot of legalese and if any of you can make sense of it and come to any firm conclusions, I'd appreciate hearing them.

Method of prosecution when conduct establishes an element of more than one offense

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol14_Ch0701-0853/HRS0701/HRS_0701-0109.HTM

I should add that this is American law and could be different in Canada.