Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #2

[Hazel]

Official National Defence biography

http://cancrime.com/images/williams.russ/williams.html

So glad The CanCrime site took a screenshot of his BIO :applause:has
source = http://cancrime.com/labels/Russell%20Williams.html

 

[Hazel]

Wow. That was incredibly fast...:waitasec:

he is not suicidal in the classic sense, but rather that he simply wants to die

huh?????

http://www.thewhig.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2524432

 

[flipflop]

Didn't someone post a while back that Marie-France Comeau had been stabbed? Was how she was killed ever in the newspapers?

Russell Williams, the 46-year-old former commander at CFB Trenton, the country's most important air base, is charged with first-degree murder in Jessica Lloyd's death and in the strangling death last fall of another woman, Cpl. Marie-France Comeau, 37, Williams' subordinate at the air base

Read more: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Williams+suicide+watch+report/2763160/story.html#ixzz0kSefNTzz

 

[Pink Panther]

Boy oh boy... So through networking I have come to a knowledge that an expert who has sat in on one of RW's discussions with LE said they wouldn't be surprised if he becomes the biggest serial killer in history (with more information coming to light, perhaps). Apparently a person on the mental health team is saying they are so very confused and stumped on RW.. That he has so many different "profiles", that he did everything so different aside from asphyxiation that it's entirely possible there are more numbers to be had. This person has said that RW is like 10 different people, all with different MOs and is most definitely a psychopath yet one of the most intelligent people they've come across in years. As far as progression goes, it's usually not common when profiling for an alleged serial rapist/murderer to go backwards in their approach, but fear the worst in RW's case.

I found it quite surprising to hear all of this, and am not sure why.

I'm not sure I'm understanding the last part of this...Is the implication that his earlier crimes were worse/more violent???

 

[Pink Panther]

Russell Williams, the 46-year-old former commander at CFB Trenton, the country's most important air base, is charged with first-degree murder in Jessica Lloyd's death and in the strangling death last fall of another woman, Cpl. Marie-France Comeau, 37, Williams' subordinate at the air base

Read more: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Williams+suicide+watch+report/2763160/story.html#ixzz0kSefNTzz

Thanks to those of you who have answered. This is what I remembered as well but I do think that at some point on this thread, someone posted that she had been stabbed. Regardless, the consensus seems to be that she was suffocated.

 

[satchel]

I'm not sure I'm understanding the last part of this...Is the implication that his earlier crimes were worse/more violent???

What I am understanding from the last part is that originally I think people were hoping that he progressed from home invasions and stealing lingerie, to rape, to murder. What I think they are saying after evaluating him, is that he is so complex that there is a good possibility that he could have changed his progressive from invasions, then murder, then back to more lingerie invasions. JMO

 

[flipflop]

I remember reading the the media reports awhile back that RW was not a suspect in a few cases as he did not fit the profile....I bet LE are going to eat those words someday soon. JMO I think RW, being the intelligent military man that he once was, felt that he had everyone fooled and would never be caught by changing his MO and not sticking to any one profile, never making a mistake so that he would not be caught....thank goodness for Canadian winters with snow on the ground, if not for the snow (tire tracks), who knows how many more victims we would be discussing on this thread.

 

[antiquegirl]

What I am understanding from the last part is that originally I think people were hoping that he progressed from home invasions and stealing lingerie, to rape, to murder. What I think they are saying after evaluating him, is that he is so complex that there is a good possibility that he could have changed his progressive from invasions, then murder, then back to more lingerie invasions. JMO

Yes, he could have additional sexual assaults and murders in his history prior to the more benign crimes of break-ins and thefts. I can also see him as a possible peeping tom. How else would he know that these women were alone? Instead of progressing or regressing, he could have been all over the map, not fitting any typical profile.

JMO

 

[antiquegirl]

Thanks to those of you who have answered. This is what I remembered as well but I do think that at some point on this thread, someone posted that she had been stabbed. Regardless, the consensus seems to be that she was suffocated.

You must be thinking of Kathleen MacVicar, whose stabbing at CFB Trenton is still unsolved. Last we heard, LE was looking into a connection to RW, but nothing more has been reported.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2010/02/09/belleville-williams-murder-charges.html

 

[Pink Panther]

Well the supposed "home invasions" (aka women being raped in their own homes) weren't linked to the murders initially so...who knows! The fact that two "home invasions" and two murders occured within a very contained area within a very short time frame and wasn't connected until two women were murdered allows for a multitude of other possibilities doesn't it??? (Let alone the "panty thefts"...) Or wait...yes...they may have been connected...After all, didn't they interview RW's neighbor extensively??? Yes they did.

Does anyone else find it a bit odd that they were looking for baby blankets? This guy took baby blankets as part of his trophy cache!?

 

[flipflop]

Well the supposed "home invasions" (aka women being raped in their own homes) weren't linked to the murders initially so...who knows! The fact that two "home invasions" and two murders occured within a very contained area within a very short time frame and wasn't connected until two women were murdered allows for a multitude of other possibilities doesn't it??? (Let alone the "panty thefts"...) Or wait...yes...they may have been connected...After all, didn't they interview RW's neighbor extensively??? Yes they did.

Does anyone else find it a bit odd that they were looking for baby blankets? This guy took baby blankets as part of his trophy cache!?

Regarding the baby blanket, we discussed that awhile back, one of the rape victims just had a baby. We came to our conclusion that he took it as it had his DNA on it.

 

[Pink Panther]

Well by starvation or by suicide in the non-classical sense, this guy seems intent on doing something. I hope all involved in his incarceration are dotting their i's and crossing their t's and I hope he's been thoroughly questioned (at the very least) about many of the more obvious crimes that he may have committed in the past before it's too late. (I have my doubts that this has been done and I'm looking forward to being corrected.)

MOO

 

[Pink Panther]

Official National Defence biography

http://cancrime.com/images/williams.russ/williams.html

So glad The CanCrime site took a screenshot of his BIO :applause:has
source = http://cancrime.com/labels/Russell Williams.html

It's a shame that instead of removing his bio that they don't just keep adding to it! That would be quite a statement wouldn't it!

 

[antiquegirl]

Well the supposed "home invasions" (aka women being raped in their own homes) weren't linked to the murders initially so...who knows! The fact that two "home invasions" and two murders occured within a very contained area within a very short time frame and wasn't connected until two women were murdered allows for a multitude of other possibilities doesn't it??? (Let alone the "panty thefts"...) Or wait...yes...they may have been connected...After all, didn't they interview RW's neighbor extensively??? Yes they did.

Does anyone else find it a bit odd that they were looking for baby blankets? This guy took baby blankets as part of his trophy cache!?

LE interviewed MR's neighbour, LJ, before the two murders he was charged with, so there was no connection to be made at that point.

As I posted previously, the phrase "home invasions" is not intended to be synonymous with "rape" (a word no longer used in Canadian law and replaced with "sexual assault"). The phrase was used with "sexual assault" to differentiate between those taking place (for instance) on the street, in a bar, or as "date rape". There are two crimes involved, with home invasion (or breaking and entering) combined with sexual assault. There is no euphemism intended. Sexual assault covers a lot more territory than the old word "rape", which referred strictly to forcible penetration. We have never been told the extent of the assaults on the two women in Tweed, so "rape" may not even be accurate.

JMO

 

[Hazel]

that's pretty antiquegirl, Tori's favourite colour.

Is that a frog?

 

[antiquegirl]

that's pretty antiquegirl, Tori's favourite colour.

Is that a frog?

Yes, it's a frog. It made me think of Tori's playful spirit and the video of her at the creek.

 

[Summersolstice]

I remember reading the the media reports awhile back that RW was not a suspect in a few cases as he did not fit the profile....I bet LE are going to eat those words someday soon. JMO I think RW, being the intelligent military man that he once was, felt that he had everyone fooled and would never be caught by changing his MO and not sticking to any one profile, never making a mistake so that he would not be caught....thank goodness for Canadian winters with snow on the ground, if not for the snow (tire tracks), who knows how many more victims we would be discussing on this thread.

Would condiments be on the menu with those words?

 

[nonfictionrocks]

Start Rant...

Is anybody else here on these threads horrified by the news releases of late?

First point; the hockey coach who was sentenced and jailed then granted a pardon for sexual assaults involving children. Why would the media make a huge issue about this? Am I the only one who now thinks that anyone who has a record will obtain a pardon (not knowing before that is was even remotely possible) so that they are able to get a "police clearance" and once again get a job within the very demographic they target? It is bad enough that a daycare worker who has not yet been caught is able to supply a "vulnerable sector screening".

Second point; how is it beneficial for the media to let any potential "serial killer" know that if they just change up their MO, it makes it really difficult for LE to catch them and they might have a longer more successful run?

...End Rant

Sorry - long day.

 

[Summersolstice]

Start Rant...

Is anybody else here on these threads horrified by the news releases of late?

First point; the hockey coach who was sentenced and jailed then granted a pardon for sexual assaults involving children. Why would the media make a huge issue about this? Am I the only one who now thinks that anyone who has a record will obtain a pardon (not knowing before that is was even remotely possible) so that they are able to get a "police clearance" and once again get a job within the very demographic they target? It is bad enough that a daycare worker who has not yet been caught is able to supply a "vulnerable sector screening".

Second point; how is it beneficial for the media to let any potential "serial killer" know that if they just change up their MO, it makes it really difficult for LE to catch them and they might have a longer more successful run?

...End Rant

Sorry - long day.

Yes, it is very disturbing, just as is the case of the Greyhound bus beheader, who could be released in a couple of years:

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/story.html?id=2692579&s=Today's Newspaper

"Not criminally responsible" must seem very, very attractive. I bet the temporary conditions of such a finding are much more relaxed and comfortable than a regular cell, too. They probably have free access to condiments, too.

 

[Summersolstice]

Official National Defence biography

http://cancrime.com/images/williams.russ/williams.html

So glad The CanCrime site took a screenshot of his BIO :applause:has
source = http://cancrime.com/labels/Russell Williams.html

Canadian Forces Command and Staff Course offered by RMC remotely in Toronto, for someone whose home base would be much closer to RMC in Kingston? I am referring to the military's statement once the bio was removed from their website that RW was not at RMC in Kingston for that period.

I wonder where Walter Natynczyk took his course:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Natynczyk