Canada - Numerous pedestrians struck by van near Yonge and Finch, Toronto, Apr 2018 *guilty*

[Jennifer17]

The Daily Mail had some clips from the Incel Reddit group. These men did not want to go out with women of their own level of attractiveness, whom they called 'pigs'. They wanted the prettiest girls and they had just as much hate for the men who had social skills better than theirs, who dated them.

And so much emphasis is put on his Aspergers or Austism, why are girls who suffer the same conditions not out there murdering and setting up hate groups?

 

[human]

The Daily Mail had some clips from the Incel Reddit group. These men did not want to go out with women of their own level of attractiveness, whom they called 'pigs'. They wanted the prettiest girls and they had just as much hate for the men who had social skills better than theirs, who dated them.

And so much emphasis is put on his Aspergers or Austism, why are girls who suffer the same conditions not out there murdering and setting up hate groups?

Toxic masculinity.Many men feel,entitled.

 

[Jennifer17]

Toxic masculinity.Many men feel,entitled.

Yes, but not all men feel that way. Why do some feel that they are entitled? And although some have a bit of mental illness, not all of them have. Where does it come from? Why are these young men so toxic? They could find female partners but they don't want them, they want to make it a competition and then blame the women when they lose out to more reasonable men.

 

[human]

Yes, but not all men feel that way. Why do some feel that they are entitled? And although some have a bit of mental illness, not all of them have. Where does it come from? Why are these young men so toxic? They could find female partners but they don't want them, they want to make it a competition and then blame the women when they lose out to more reasonable men.

I know two young men with aspergers. One is highly unattractive and wants cheerleaders. The other got married. He wants to be a cop. Passed the psychological for it. Thank goodness he does not get hired. He has stuff on his FB about hating blacks and he loves those guns and rifles.

I know one firl with autism. Very unattractive. Very low self esteem. Way too shy for a bf.

Look at this society. Who are the men that are considered hot? What kind of values do we accept? <modsnip>

 

[Jennifer17]

I know two young men with aspergers. One is highly unattractive and wants cheerleaders. The other got married. He wants to be a cop. Passed the psychological for it. Thank goodness he does not get hired. He has stuff on his FB about hating blacks and he loves those guns and rifles.

I know one firl with autism. Very unattractive. Very low self esteem. Way too shy for a bf.

Look at this society. Who are the men that are considered hot? What kind of values do we accept? <modsnip>

<modsnip> the autistic girl you know is no different to these young men who are also too shy to approach a woman, but they blame women for their inadequacy, but is she blaming anyone?

 

[human]

<modsnip> the autistic girl you know is no different to these young men who are also too shy to approach a woman, but they blame women for their inadequacy, but is she blaming anyone?

No, she is not blaming anyone because the overall society has worthy women as ten&#8217;s. But highly unattractive men can get women if they have the right combo. Money and status in a job such as sports, music or CEO, for instance.

Highly unattractive women are not worthy. That is a given in this society.

 

[bluesneakers]

The Daily Mail had some clips from the Incel Reddit group. These men did not want to go out with women of their own level of attractiveness, whom they called 'pigs'. They wanted the prettiest girls and they had just as much hate for the men who had social skills better than theirs, who dated them.

And so much emphasis is put on his Aspergers or Austism, why are girls who suffer the same conditions not out there murdering and setting up hate groups?

Good question! There are lots of lots of single women in marginalized groups (mental illness, physical or developmental disabilities, living in poverty, etc.) or who are deemed unattractive, but they're not organizing hate groups or mowing down citizens or going on shooting sprees. There's no murderous patron saint of spinsters.

 

[bluesneakers]

Yes, but not all men feel that way. Why do some feel that they are entitled? And although some have a bit of mental illness, not all of them have. Where does it come from? Why are these young men so toxic? They could find female partners but they don't want them, they want to make it a competition and then blame the women when they lose out to more reasonable men.

Because those men buy into this kind of BS:

"It was at that moment I had an epiphany, and I went home and started crying, talking to my wife. And I said I have to make this picture, and she said, 'Why?' And I said, 'Because I think I am an interesting woman when I look at myself on screen. And I know that if I met myself at a party, I would never talk to that character because she doesn't fulfill physically the demands that we're brought up to think women have to have in order for us to ask them out. She says, 'What are you saying?'"

Fighting back tears, Hoffman continues: "I said, 'There's too many interesting women I have not had the experience to know in this life because I have been brainwashed. That ['Tootsie'] was never a comedy for me."

Move (video):
https://www.today.com/popculture/du...e-interview-about-women-goes-viral-6C10578440

 

[human]

Good question! There are lots of lots of single women in marginalized groups (mental illness, physical or developmental disabilities, living in poverty, etc.) or who are deemed unattractive, but they're not organizing hate groups or mowing down citizens or going on shooting sprees. There's no murderous patron saint of spinsters.

Because women accept their place in society. We are a step above children. And of course any white woman is above POC.

Watch. Look. See how women accept our place. Think about it. Almost every place on earth has had or has a woman at the top of the govt.

In the US it has not happened and it is considered majorly newsworthy that it would happen.

 

[human]

Think about it. Women wear shoes that in time will require them to get surgery. They have breast implants, some that have caused huge health issues. Some get their ribs taken out, get botox, and on and on. Why? Why do women do it?

 

[ldlager]

Think about it. Women wear shoes that in time will require them to get surgery. They have breast implants, some that have caused huge health issues. Some get their ribs taken out, get botox, and on and on. Why? Why do women do it?

and mòre do it all the time

 

[ldlager]

No, she is not blaming anyone because the overall society has worthy women as ten&#8217;s. But highly unattractive men can get women if they have the right combo. Money and status in a job such as sports, music or CEO, for instance.

Highly unattractive women are not worthy. That is a given in this society.

Why do most women refuse to date unattractive men unless the man has the &#8220;right combo&#8221; as you phrased it? Would you agree that in many cases a highly unattractive woman often can and does &#8220;get a man&#8221; if she has the &#8220;&#8221;right combo?&#8221;
Not arguing your point about men who become violent, but society and culture has become what it is because of the actions and behaviours of both men and women.

 

[HoneyWest]

Good question! There are lots of lots of single women in marginalized groups (mental illness, physical or developmental disabilities, living in poverty, etc.) or who are deemed unattractive, but they're not organizing hate groups or mowing down citizens or going on shooting sprees. There's no murderous patron saint of spinsters.

Marginalized women do not feel the entitlement that men, particularly white cishet men feel. Women will typically blame themselves for their perceived shortcomings, or lack of dates/sex instead of blaming others.

 

[TLC4645]

http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/coroner-to-release-names-of-10-killed-in-toronto-van-attack


<modsnip> Press Conference at 3 today. The coroner will be releasing all the victims names.

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[bluesneakers]

Why do most women refuse to date unattractive men unless the man has the &#8220;right combo&#8221; as you phrased it? Would you agree that in many cases a highly unattractive woman often can and does &#8220;get a man&#8221; if she has the &#8220;&#8221;right combo?&#8221;
Not arguing your point about men who become violent, but society and culture has become what it is because of the actions and behaviours of both men and women.

Source behind your claim of most women?

I disagree it's behaviour of both men and women when we live in a patriarchal society and men wield the power. The men who consider themselves "incels" came out of toxic masculinity and the idea men deserve women who look and act a certain way. Many women do have standards, sometimes unrealistic, but they aren't going on shooting sprees or plowing into traffic because they're lonely and frustrated. Sex isn't a right. They are NOT "involuntary" celibates but men who believe women OWE them something. They call themselves incels but are simply misogynists.

It's possible the driver of this van murdered people because he couldn't get a date. Not because of anything a woman did, but because (some) men believe they have a right to a woman's body. That idea did not come from a woman. There is no both sides to misogyny.

 

[ldlager]

Source behind your claim of most women?

I disagree it's behaviour of both men and women when we live in a patriarchal society and men wield the power. The men who consider themselves "incels" came out of toxic masculinity and the idea men deserve women who look and act a certain way. Many women do have standards, sometimes unrealistic, but they aren't going on shooting sprees or plowing into traffic because they're lonely and frustrated. Sex isn't a right. They are NOT "involuntary" celibates but men who believe women OWE them something. They call themselves incels but are simply misogynists.

It's possible the driver of this van murdered people because he couldn't get a date. Not because of anything a woman did, but because (some) men believe they have a right to a woman's body. That idea did not come from a woman. There is no both sides to misogyny.

With all due respect bluesneakers, he murdered people because he was nuts. or sick. Or both. Neither you or I know why he really did this- as far as I know LE has not determined any motive, and a few Facebook postings don&#8217;t Establish cause, even if he did post some crazy things. I don&#8217;t really care if it was because he had issues with or hated women, or he was on drugs, or had aspergers, or he felt lonely, or his mother hated him, or anything else. None of that will bring back the women and men he murdered. And his actions aren&#8217;t going to materially change the society that we live in and that has evolved over thousands of years. Men and women (yes both) are still going to murder other people, for all kinds of reasons, none of which are justifies. I hate To say it, but it is true. But sInce men (a few? Some? Most? All?) are clearly the cause of our patriarchal society with its plethora of ills and defects and injustices; , and since evidently women have played no role in the formation or structûre of this society, (despite numerous magazines and businesses that are targeted at women and that promote many of the Things that have been referenced here- plastic surgery, a certain body image being seen as attractive, anti ageing, etc) I do have a solution -let&#8217;s just load up the sperm banks and kill all the men. Problem solved.

 

[bluesneakers]

With all due respect bluesneakers, he murdered people because he was nuts. or sick. Or both. Neither you or I know why he really did this- as far as I know LE has not determined any motive, and a few Facebook postings don&#8217;t Establish cause, even if he did post some crazy things.

With all due respect no woman made him do what he did. Maybe you misunderstood this part of my post:

It's possible the driver of this van murdered people because he couldn't get a date. Not because of anything a woman did, but because (some) men believe they have a right to a woman's body. That idea did not come from a woman. There is no both sides to misogyny.

If he was acting out as a disgruntled, angry misogynist he didn't get there because of anything a woman did. And if that is true he's disgruntled, angry misogynist it's because he is a product of toxic masculinity.

I do have a solution - let&#8217;s just load up the sperm banks and kill all the men. Problem solved.

What???!

 

[ldlager]

With all due respect no woman made him do what he did. Maybe you misunderstood this part of my post:



If he was acting out as a disgruntled, angry misogynist he didn't get there because of anything a woman did. And if that is true he's disgruntled, angry misogynist it's because he is a product of toxic masculinity.





What???!

Got your attention!:drumroll:

I don&#8217;t think a woman made him do what he did. Nor do I believe that a dearth of dates or even an inmate dislike or even hatred of women made him do what he did.jmo

 

[MaryG12]

Think about it. Women wear shoes that in time will require them to get surgery. They have breast implants, some that have caused huge health issues. Some get their ribs taken out, get botox, and on and on. Why? Why do women do it?

Societal standards of female pulchritude.

That is what I was told by a professor, anyways, in one of my college psychology courses.

Whatever happened to questioning absolutely everything?

MOO, too many generations have been told what to think, not how to think.

 

[Snoopster]

Definitely OT here, but germane to the above discussion...

I think many problems, such as incel, arise, sadly, because of biology. (I'm not referring to this specific case!!!) We intellectually know that there should be no difference in how males and females are treated, now that we have progressed from the hunt-to-survive history from which we've evolved. Biology doesn't catch up to societal changes very quickly, unfortunately.

Testosterone and estrogen play a part in all of this. In a HUGE generalization, we see men trying to "win", while women try to smooth things out so that everyone will get along. We see women attracted to men with money/power more so (note that I'm saying 'more so') than men, who are more attracted to women's looks. Of course these old biologically based factors have weakened, but that doesn't happen overnight (i.e. hundreds of years). And, during this evolution, there are dislocations and people feel out of place.

I say this as a woman, who has had the joy of working in a male-dominated field for many years. I remember my stepmother telling me, many years ago, that all female managers were *****es. (I was a female manager at the time.) Of course I was offended. But I wondered why so many people said the same thing. I realized that we, as a society, do not like women to be forceful and confident. When women do it they are *****es. When men do the same thing they are leaders.

Sorry, this has been a long-winded way to say that some men can't overcome their testosterone and revert to their "I deserve to dominate" mode. Unfortunately, in many extreme, less progressive, cases this is really ugly. (Conversely, some women can't overcome their estrogen. And, in many extreme cases, they are stuck playing the victim. And some are clearly truly victims.) It's human nature. It's wonderful that we have great men and we have great women and we support each other. We need both! This is what makes life wonderful.

But we CANNOT accept women being violently targeted because some males can't move on; that some males blame the women, when it is NOT THEIR FAULT, and then take it out on them, denying them their life. I believe that these incels are working on the bassist (base-ist?) of instincts...only focused on their base-sexual instinct. I don't think they have the depth of intellect and emotional intelligence to deal with where society has progressed to.

I think that this case is one of those situations. The perpetrator, did not have the emotional intelligence to deal with life beyond his base biological instinct. Unfortunately there were many innocent people who paid the price for his 'challenges'. :maddening: