Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #1 *Arrest*

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  • #421
When information comes directly from a close family member, I tend to believe it over some MSM. As we have all seen, MSM reports can be inaccurate.

Her sister reported the statement December 2nd. I surmise that SB was last *seen* on the 27th and family received either a call or text on the Friday.

There is nothing false in the information that was released by Shannon's sister and police on December 5, 2014 regarding the last contact with Shannon. The last contact with her was on Nov 27 at 12:30AM. There is no contact with Shannon, and no communication from her, after the sighting by her husband late Wednesday night.
 
  • #422
I'm still very weary of the Vancouver/Toronto connection. I just don't see her not contacting her family and letting this flourish in the media as a serious missing persons case. How could she not see herself in the media? It would not be a funny joke.

The only way I see this scenario being plausible if she's of unsound mind and not 'realizing' she's missing or people are looking for her. I can't see her consciously letting this happen and worrying her family like this.
 
  • #423
There is nothing false in the information that was released by Shannon's sister and police on December 5, 2014 regarding the last contact with Shannon. The last contact with her was on Nov 27 at 12:30AM. There is no contact with Shannon, and no communication from her, after the sighting by her husband late Wednesday night.
Again... it is wording. The last time SB was SEEN was on the 27th. The same sister in MSM was the one who posted that they last HEARD from her on Friday. If that additional communication was in the form of a text or PM, then it is not considered being SEEN. Given that there is no way to prove that the person who sent a digital message was SB, they have to go off when she was last physically seen.
 
  • #424
Old school style sleuthing - The phone book for starters. I believe Stan found out additional info.

The phone book doesn't identify property owners. When searching 411, there's a J & S Burgess in Rundle, but that does not mean it is Shannon, or that the house is owned by her husband.
 
  • #425
The fact that this story is dated today a few hours ago but with no really new info, and is still scarce in details makes me wonder if she did suffer some type of mental issue of sorts. Although, I want to be careful what I write on here. I by no means, want to be stating things that aren't true about someone's mental health. I'm just hypothesizing, as it's strange things and details are so quiet.

This doesn't seem like a typical missing person's case to me, as there's no big search parties, not a lot of details, etc.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/1...nto-and-vancouver-in-search-for-missing-woman
 
  • #426
The fact that this story is dated today a few hours ago but with no really new info, and is still scarce in details makes me wonder if she did suffer some type of mental issue of sorts. Although, I want to be careful what I write on here. I by no means, want to be stating things that aren't true about someone's mental health. I'm just hypothesizing, as it's strange things and details are so quiet.

This doesn't seem like a typical missing person's case to me, as there's no big search parties, not a lot of details, etc.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/1...nto-and-vancouver-in-search-for-missing-woman
Often stories get re-worded and put out to generate interest and keep the story current. IMO, weekend reporters are often not the same as the Monday to Friday team, and they will re-mix the past week's stories.
 
  • #427
Again... it is wording. The last time SB was SEEN was on the 27th. The same sister in MSM was the one who posted that they last HEARD from her on Friday. If that additional communication was in the form of a text or PM, then it is not considered being SEEN.

This is not about the wording. The statement from police on Dec 5 is that Shannon was last seen on Nov 27 at 12:30AM. If the last communication was after that time, police would release that information. A social media remark from Dec 2 should not be taken more seriously than a police statement from Dec 5.

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/police-search-for-calgary-woman-who-disappeared-a-week-ago

Please post quotes and links to all remarks about phone communication made by Shannon after she was last seen late Wednesday night.
 
  • #428
When information comes directly from a close family member, I tend to believe it over some MSM. As we have all seen, MSM reports can be inaccurate.

Her sister reported the statement December 2nd. I surmise that SB was last *seen* on the 27th and family received either a call or text on the Friday.

I saw on EM's FB in one post on Dec 3rd she says Wednesday, but the day before on Dec 2nd says Friday.

On SB's sister in law's page (CM) there is dialogue comments about the Friday text, but then further down in the comments, it's corrected, as her dad I think (DM) says records show she never responded to the Friday texts. So last day was actually the Wednesday it seems according to the family's comments. So confusing!
 
  • #429
Like I said, there is additional information that cannot be posted here due to rules.

If it is a fact that Shannon and her husband lived in Rundle, and that he owns the house, it can be posted here. It's very simple to post the quote, and provide a link. If it is not factual information from a reliable source, then it cannot be posted here. Is it factual information that he owns a house in Rundle, or is it speculation?
 
  • #430
This is not about the wording. The statement from police on Dec 5 is that Shannon was last seen on Nov 27 at 12:30AM. If the last communication was after that time, police would release that information. A social media remark from Dec 2 should not be taken more seriously than a police statement from Dec 5.

What is the purpose of muddying the time of the last known communication with Shannon?

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/police-search-for-calgary-woman-who-disappeared-a-week-ago
The police have to go on the date and time she was last physically seen. It is not "muddying the time to point out a possible change in the timeline. I have confidence that people here know how to read and can also decide for themselves whether it is factual or relevant.
 
  • #431
The police have to go on the date and time she was last physically seen. It is not "muddying the time to point out a possible change in the timeline. I have confidence that people here know how to read and can also decide for themselves whether it is factual or relevant.

Fortunately, in context, we now know that the earlier facebook comments were incorrect. That must be why Facebook and social media are not reliable sources.
BBM

I saw on EM's FB in one post on Dec 3rd she says Wednesday, but the day before on Dec 2nd says Friday.

On SB's sister in law's page (CM) there is dialogue comments about the Friday text, but then further down in the comments, it's corrected, as her dad I think (DM) says records show she never responded to the Friday texts. So last day was actually the Wednesday it seems according to the family's comments. So confusing!
 
  • #432
If it is a fact that Shannon and her husband lived in Rundle, and that he owns the house, it can be posted here. It's very simple to post the quote, and provide a link. If it is not factual information from a reliable source, then it cannot be posted here. Is it factual information that he owns a house in Rundle, or is it speculation?
I will have to defer this to Stan. We are not allowed to post information on family members, especially if they are not considered suspects.
 
  • #433
This is not about the wording. The statement from police on Dec 5 is that Shannon was last seen on Nov 27 at 12:30AM. If the last communication was after that time, police would release that information. A social media remark from Dec 2 should not be taken more seriously than a police statement from Dec 5.

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/police-search-for-calgary-woman-who-disappeared-a-week-ago

Please post quotes and links to all remarks about phone communication made by Shannon after she was last seen late Wednesday night.
We are not allowed to post quotes from FB.
 
  • #434
I will have to defer this to Stan. We are not allowed to post information on family members, especially if they are not considered suspects.

This is not about family members, this is about Shannon. If she lived in Rundle with her husband and then moved to Ramsay, there is no reason that the information cannot be quoted and linked. If the own the house in Rundle, that can also be posted with links. I'm not aware of any public search engine that identifies the property owners when researching a property.

I'd like to know what search engine provides that information.
 
  • #435
We are not allowed to post quotes from FB.

Is that because social media is unsupported rumour? If that unsupported rumour contradicts police statements, what should be believe?
 
  • #436
The interview with Shannon gives insight into her character.
Given everything we know, does Shannon seem like the type of person that would choose to have her family worry so much about her well being shortly before the holiday season? If Shannon is alive, knowing what we know from her interview, her silence, the unusual circumstances surrounding her disappearance, and her sister's statement, is it more likely that she is alive, or not alive?

The interview is from the spring, things could have escalated from that interview until now. I can tell you what I felt from that interview and my interpretations of her mannerisms.

I saw a young woman who put considerable effort preparing for an interview that ended up going sideways. It was not her fault, the woman interviewing her seems to be free form and not that serious about it all. I felt like Shannon was getting ripped off. I sensed Shannon was deeply uncomfortable and I could see her expressions change as if she was having a convo in her head reminding her to breathe, smile, keep cool, thank the right people, say how much she enjoyed the work. I think she would have had a teary moment after that interview, I thought I could see that sadness in her eyes. If this was the kind of professionalism she was dealing with I imagine she was extremely worn down and frustrated.

People who are living with mental illness are incredibly good at masking emotions and feelings and puting on a good show. Moreso if you have acting skills, or maybe that is what makes a person a good actor in the first place. I saw Robin Williams in Hawaii last Christmas, he ate at the same restaraunt as us and we walked to our cars together. I was heart broken by his sadness and front he had to put on for the people who wanted photographs with him. He ended his life this past summer.

I am not sold that SB has committed suicide, but I do think she is or was struggling with depression and anxiety, and pain.

I see a young broken lady who feels lost and alone and is fighting with herself to keep it together. She needs support, love, unconditional love, and she needs a break from the pressure, the mind games, the self doubt, the arguing, the competition.

If she is out there, she needs to give her head a shake and phone the police, tell them she needs time and to let her family know she is ok. That way she can work on herself and not be so wrapped up in the hiding and drama of keeping herself away from the public attention. She needs to realize that if she is with someone currently that they are not helping her, they are enabling her and she needs to do this head clearing on her own or with a support system that is not sheltering her away from the urgency of a missing persons investigation.

If the police recover her in Calgary and she is deceased yet they published information that she could be across Canada that is yet another reason for me, myself not to trust that they know what they are doing or are misleading to serve their own purpose. JMO.
 
  • #437
Is that because social media is unsupported rumour? If that unsupported rumour contradicts police statements, what should be believe?

I think that I trust EM's statements on FB and we should be allowed to quote her considering she was the spokesperson in the police presser and therefore considered a reliable source. Perhaps a reporter could interview her in a more relaxed setting so she can be heard. If she is allowed to divulge details in her social media feed I will assume she has not been told by LE that it could compromise the investigation. JMO.
 
  • #438
The interview is from the spring, things could have escalated from that interview until now. I can tell you what I felt from that interview and my interpretations of her mannerisms.

I saw a young woman who put considerable effort preparing for an interview that ended up going sideways. It was not her fault, the woman interviewing her seems to be free form and not that serious about it all. I felt like Shannon was getting ripped off. I sensed Shannon was deeply uncomfortable and I could see her expressions change as if she was having a convo in her head reminding her to breathe, smile, keep cool, thank the right people, say how much she enjoyed the work. I think she would have had a teary moment after that interview, I thought I could see that sadness in her eyes. If this was the kind of professionalism she was dealing with I imagine she was extremely worn down and frustrated.

People who are living with mental illness are incredibly good at masking emotions and feelings and puting on a good show. Moreso if you have acting skills, or maybe that is what makes a person a good actor in the first place. I saw Robin Williams in Hawaii last Christmas, he ate at the same restaraunt as us and we walked to our cars together. I was heart broken by his sadness and front he had to put on for the people who wanted photographs with him. He ended his life this past summer.

I am not sold that SB has committed suicide, but I do think she is or was struggling with depression and anxiety, and pain.

I see a young broken lady who feels lost and alone and is fighting with herself to keep it together. She needs support, love, unconditional love, and she needs a break from the pressure, the mind games, the self doubt, the arguing, the competition.

If she is out there, she needs to give her head a shake and phone the police, tell them she needs time and to let her family know she is ok. That way she can work on herself and not be so wrapped up in the hiding and drama of keeping herself away from the public attention. She needs to realize that if she is with someone currently that they are not helping her, they are enabling her and she needs to do this head clearing on her own or with a support system that is not sheltering her away from the urgency of a missing persons investigation.

If the police recover her in Calgary and she is deceased yet they published information that she could be across Canada that is yet another reason for me, myself not to trust that they know what they are doing or are misleading to serve their own purpose. JMO.

BBM

Police have to follow up on every tip. Clearly there have been tips from Vancouver and Toronto, so police have to follow up. Clearly there is nothing in Shannon's activities to suggest that she went to Vancouver or Toronto. The fact that police are following up tips is not grounds to believe that police are buffoons that cannot be trusted.
 
  • #439
Is that because social media is unsupported rumour? If that unsupported rumour contradicts police statements, what should be believe?
No one is asking you to believe anything.
 
  • #440
I will have to defer this to Stan. We are not allowed to post information on family members, especially if they are not considered suspects.

I had quoted the FB posts and they were snipped and explained to me that this was against the WS rules.

We can generalize the comment and whoever chooses to trust the source can use it to the best of their sleuthing abilities and theories. I am tired of debating accuracies of statements between family members, LE and reporters. It is what it is..
 
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