Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #1 *Arrest*

[news.talk]

There's no reason to be suspicious of police. They held a press conference because Shannon was last seen Nov 27 at 12:30AM, and there are no sightings or communication from her since that time. The police are not so stupid as to claim that someone was last seen on a specific day if they know that the person was accounted for two days later.

I have *never* stated that LE were stupid, nor did I suggest we should be suspicious of them. I would be adopted out of my family if I did.

What I did state is, LE do not reveal the motives for their wording and their progress in an active investigation. They have valid reasons for stating exactly what they put out to the public, in the best interest of the investigation.

 

[otto]

I have *never* stated that LE were stupid, nor did I suggest we should be suspicious of them. I would be adopted out of my family if I did.

What I did state is, LE do not reveal the motives for their wording and their progress in an active investigation. They have valid reasons for stating exactly what they put out to the public, in the best interest of the investigation.

Police make statements in the interest of solving crimes. They would be shooting themselves in the foot if they released false information about a missing person. Specifically, police are not going to deceive the public regarding the last known contact/sighting of a missing person.

 

[news.talk]

Police make statements in the interest of solving crimes. They would be shooting themselves in the foot if they released false information about a missing person. Specifically, police are not going to deceive the public regarding the last known contact/sighting of a missing person.

Please re-read the Mitchell release and my comments:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11327992

Was saying that she was last seen in Longview false information, or the information they had AT THE TIME.

 

[Micheline]

Well.. they were married (previously) and living in the same house and I imagine that JB became part owner of the dog, along with SB. It likely wasn't a weird situation for him to be in that he had to care for the dog in SB's absence, it sounds like perhaps she may have travelled a bit.. at least to Edmonton.

I agree, even if Shannon said "my dog" it probably was their dog since they were married and JB aswell as Shannon would take care of him.
But since JB has a job (no idea where he works and how long the distance to his house is) he cannot leave this dog all by itself for an entire workday, so if Shannon was planning on travelling, arrangements would have to be made for the dog, with a friend or a neighbor, in that case her travelling plans were known to JB and the friend/neighbor, and nothing out of the ordinary then if she had not been home for several days on a row since that was the plan. But since she had all sort of plans that she did not show up for, it seems she had not planned on be away for some time, and would not have asked JB or anyone else to take care of the dog during her absence, and JB would come home to a dog that had been sitting alone the entire day, which then must at least be unusual.

It's weird that nothing has even been mentioned about the dog.

Perhaps that is because the dog is home with JB, if not it would have been mentioned I think.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I am not Otto, but who else could have stated that then the person who saw her last at 12:30?

Stop the presses then... Shannon apparently went out right after seeing her husband that night. Is that what you and otto are stating?

 

[news.talk]

I would.

During the press conference, we learned that Shannon was last seen at 12:30AM on Nov 27. We also learned that "she left". I will interpret the information provided at the press conference and understand that the husband last saw his wife at 12:30AM before "she left". On Thursday morning, she was unaccounted for.

It is my understanding that the sister said "she left" based on the information the husband provided. Does that make it a fact? Absolutely not. Did the police verify the statement because they have proof? No. At least not what has been reported.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I would.

During the press conference, we learned that Shannon was last seen at 12:30AM on Nov 27. We also learned that "she left". I will interpret the information provided at the press conference and understand that the husband last saw his wife at 12:30AM before "she left". On Thursday morning, she was unaccounted for.

Her sister used the term "she left" when referencing the plans made with her brother. Read the bolded quote again, where you falsely state the husband suggested she went out that night.

Those are 2 totally different facts and discussions, and it is irresponsible to be stating the husband suggested she went out that night AS FACT, based on what you now admit, WAS YOUR LOOSE AND LOGIC STRETCHING ASSUMPTION.

 

[otto]

I am not Otto, but who else could have stated that then the person who saw her last at 12:30?

The last known information about Shannon came from her husband. He last saw her late Wednesday evening. Shannon's sister stated during the press conference that "she left". Shannon was unaccounted for on Thursday morning, so if she's not at home, she left. It's still unknown whether she left voluntarily.

 

[otto]

Stop the presses then... Shannon apparently went out right after seeing her husband that night. Is that what you and otto are stating?

Shannon is not at home. She was last seen at home. Her sister stated during the press conference that "she left". Is there any question that she left? Is there any question that the last known facts about her are that she was at home at 12:30AM Nov 27 and that no one knows anything about her activities since 12:30AM Nov 27?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

The last known information about Shannon came from her husband. He last saw her late Wednesday evening. Shannon's sister stated during the press conference that "she left". Shannon was unaccounted for on Thursday morning, so if she's not at home, she left. It's still unknown whether she left voluntarily.

Quote from otto:

"In Shannon's case, the husband has suggested that she went out in the middle of the night."

So you are finally admitting this was wrong?

 

[otto]

If some people want to assume that Shannon Burgess, who is unaccounted for, never left her home ... okay. I have a different opinion after watching the press conference.

 

[otto]

Quote from otto:

"In Shannon's case, the husband has suggested that she went out in the middle of the night."

So you are finally admitting this was wrong?

No. I believe that the husband has suggested that Shannon left the house after he last saw her at 12:30AM. No one, other than the husband, could have provided the information that "she left".

 

[news.talk]

Shannon is not at home. She was last seen at home. Her sister stated during the press conference that "she left". Is there any question that she left? Is there any question that the last known facts about her are that she was at home at 12:30AM Nov 27 and that no one knows anything about her activities since 12:30AM Nov 27?

All we know is that the HUSBAND stated she was last seen at that time. The SISTER stated that "she left" - This does not make it a fact.

Have the police put out a statement saying that they have verified these statements as facts? No.

What I am trying to get accross is, just because a press release is worded one way, does not mean that those are the facts of the case or even that LE support those statements. We have not heard from LE for over 15 days on this case. They very well may be able to prove those statements false but are chosing to withhold that information for the best interest of their investigation.

 

[news.talk]

If some people want to assume that Shannon Burgess, who is unaccounted for, never left her home ... okay. I have a different opinion after watching the press conference.

I have not read one post to suggest that anyone supports the assertion that SB never left home, and is sitting in her condo playing with her dog.

Questions are being raised - Did she leave home alive? Did the husband leave and she left at another time? Did she even make it back from Edmonton? Did the husband go to bed and assume she left at a certain time? Etc...

Posing these questions open up avenues for answers. Dismissing them doesn't.

 

[otto]

I have not read one post to suggest that anyone supports the assertion that SB never left home, and is sitting in her condo playing with her dog.

Questions are being raised - Did she leave home alive? Did the husband leave and she left at another time? Did she even make it back from Edmonton? Did the husband go to bed and assume she left at a certain time? Etc...

Posing these questions open up avenues for answers. Dismissing them doesn't.

Good to know that others believe that Shannon left the home she shared with her husband and that the only person that could report this information is the one other person that lived in the home: her husband. Per the press conference, it seems that the husband suggested that she left after he last saw her at home late Wednesday night.

 

[news.talk]

Good to know that others believe that Shannon left the home she shared with her husband and that the only person that could report this information is the one other person that lived in the home: her husband. Per the press conference, it seems that the husband suggested that she left after he last saw her at home late Wednesday night.

Huh? What I said was, that people are questioning MANY avenues including but not limited to the possibility that SB left her home on her own accord. That does not make it a FACT.

 

[otto]

Huh? What I said was, that people are questioning MANY avenues including but not limited to the possibility that SB left her home on her own accord. That does not make it a FACT.

Who isn't questioning how she left? I don't believe that she is voluntarily missing, or that this is a suicide. That leaves two options: either the husband is responsible, or she was grabbed off the street. There is no evidence that she left her home other than information from her husband.

 

[Micheline]

Stop the presses then... Shannon apparently went out right after seeing her husband that night. Is that what you and otto are stating?

IMO there are 4 options, after seeing Shannon for the last time at 12:30 JB went to sleep (or another room), or JB stayed up for a little longer and instead Shannon went to sleep (or went to another room), or after seeing her for the last time JB left the house, or JB stayed at the house and Shannon left the house.

I assume though that JB has stated that he went to sleep or that Shannon left, since Shannon's sister said they'd like to know if anyone has seen her that night, so there is the assumption she left the house, either at 12:30 or after JB went to sleep.
JB saw her, either dressed to leave the house, or dressed to go to bed, or walking out after a minor disagreement, he could at least make an assumption of what Shannon was about to do at 12:30, and somehow he had the expectation or saw that she left the house, going by what her sister asked (we'd like to know who saw her that night) IMO.

 

[news.talk]

Who isn't questioning how she left? I don't believe that she is voluntarily missing, or that this is a suicide. That leaves two options: either the husband is responsible, or she was grabbed off the street. There is no evidence that she left her home other than information from her husband.

Please re-read your statements. You have stated as FACT that SB was last seen by her husband at 12:30 a.m. and that "she left" indicating that she left her home at that specific time because the husband said so and the sister reiterated the statement at a presser.

My assertion, as is others, is that we do not know anything for a *fact* because LE has not made any statement that concludes this as *fact*. Frankly, given that the FAMILY has made these statements, what is the difference between those and their own posts on their FB pages? Would this also not be considered rumour or speculation?

Have the CPS *confirmed* this timeline or are they merely stating what the family have said?

 

[news.talk]

IMO there are 4 options, after seeing Shannon for the last time at 12:30 JB went to sleep (or another room), or JB stayed up for a little longer and instead Shannon went to sleep (or went to another room), or after seeing her for the last time JB left the house, or JB stayed at the house and Shannon left the house.

I assume though that JB has stated that he went to sleep or that Shannon left, since Shannon's sister said they'd like to know if anyone has seen her that night, so there is the assumption she left the house, either at 12:30 or after JB went to sleep.
JB saw her, either dressed to leave the house, or dressed to go to bed, or walking out after a minor disagreement, he could at least make an assumption of what Shannon was about to do at 12:30, and somehow he had the expectation or saw that she left the house, going by what her sister asked (we'd like to know who saw her that night) IMO.

One question remains that is not included in your assumptions - Did SB even return from Edmonton or did the husband drive her and dispose of her body along the way?

The fact is, we do not have confirmation from LE that SB was indeed last seen at her home. We only have the estranged husband's word. There are MANY possible variables and it is important to keep an open mind and not rely on unsubstantiated statements disguised as facts.