Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #1 *Arrest*

[otto]

I think that I trust EM's statements on FB and we should be allowed to quote her considering she was the spokesperson in the police presser and therefore considered a reliable source. Perhaps a reporter could interview her in a more relaxed setting so she can be heard. If she is allowed to divulge details in her social media feed I will assume she has not been told by LE that it could compromise the investigation. JMO.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to read all of the social media comments related to the last communication from Shannon rather than one remark taken out of context. Then it will be clear that the statement about communication after Wednesday night was corrected and withdrawn.

 

[otto]

No one is asking you to believe anything.

It's better to work with facts when trying to understand what happened to a missing person. The police press conference contains the facts regarding the last known contact with Shannon. There's no reason to doubt the police statement, or the reporting of that police statement.

 

[LoisLane]

Perhaps it would be a good idea to read all of the social media comments related to the last communication from Shannon rather than one remark taken out of context. Then it will be clear that the statement about communication after Wednesday night was corrected and withdrawn.

I have all the statements in front of me. I have the FB quotes and see where the Wednesday and Friday comments came from. I could possibly create a timeline later to lay it all out but I doubt that would add any value to this thread.

ETA... The comments are not withdrawn they are still on her FB post. As well a comment from a friend in regards to SB's auditions in Edmonton.

 

[otto]

I have all the statements in front of me. I have the FB quotes and see where the Wednesday and Friday comments came from. I could possibly create a timeline later to lay it all out but I doubt that would add any value to this thread.

If the last known communication from Shannon was on Sunday, November 30, police would release that information. They are looking for a missing person, and by holding a press conference, they are asking the public for any information they have about Shannon. It is completely illogical that police would be searching for a missing person, asking the public for tips, and that police would at the same time omit relevant factual information about the last contact with Shannon. If police released false information about a missing person, they would be wasting everyone's time, including their own.

 

[LoisLane]

If the last known communication from Shannon was on Sunday, November 30, police would release that information. They are looking for a missing person, and by holding a press conference, they are asking the public for any information they have about Shannon. It is completely illogical that police would be searching for a missing person, asking the public for tips, and that police would at the same time omit relevant factual information about the last contact with Shannon. If police released false information about a missing person, they would be wasting everyone's time, including their own.

Shannon's sister and the police could possibly have received verified information after that presser.

 

[news.talk]

Expanding on the topic of when LE and media report that "foul play is not suspected..."

Lisa Mitchell, another Calgary woman that was reported missing and was recently discovered deceased and her body (parts) were recovered in her home. This was the initial press release:


Seeking public assistance – missing person


January 31, 2013 09:30 AM

Categories:*Public Safety,*Police

The Calgary Police Service and RCMP are seeking public assistance in determining the movements of a woman who hasn’t been seen by her family since October 2012.

Lisa Michelle MITCHELL, 29, of Calgary, was last seen leaving the Longview area to return to Calgary on Monday, October 29, 2012.*

There is some information that around this time, she may have been seen near her home in the community of Ogden.

After not hearing from her, MITCHELL’S family reported her missing.

The investigation indicates that MITCHELL may have traveled to the Edmonton or Fort McMurray area.*

While there is currently no information to indicate foul play may be involved in this case, there is a concern that MITCHELL suffers from a medical condition that may get worse if not treated.

MITCHELL is described as Caucasian, 5’8” tall, 130 lbs., with straight, shoulder-length hair that has been dyed blond. She wears glasses and has a tattoo of a large phoenix on her upper, left arm.

*http://newsroom.calgary.ca/news/seeking-public-assistance-missing-243075

As you can see, it is a very similar release, including the comment, "While there is currently no information to indicate foul play may be involved in this case..."

Clearly there WAS foul play as she was murdered and her spouse has been charged.

 

[otto]

Shannon's sister and the police could possibly have received verified information after that presser.

That's not what is at issue here. The issue is a facebook post made days prior to the press conference that was later corrected in the facebook discussion. That is, Shannon's phone received a text, initial beliefs were that Shannon replied to that text, but phone records clarified that the text was received, and not replied to.

 

[news.talk]

LE would not be putting out news releases suggesting the possibility that Shannon may be in other cities, unless there was that possibility, imo.
In other missing person cases, they have asked people to check around area properties where person was last seen and bring out search dogs ect.

Reasons why Shannon could willingly be in another city without family contact, and hopefully alive!
Respectful speculation, moo....

A new love interest who may not be, or whom S may think would not be acceptable, to family ie.

As suggested earlier, a " sugar daddy" or to add, " mommy"

A married person, criminal/ gang member, biker comes to mind for some reason.

S may have had a breakdown of some sort, although she seems " together", too much work, breakup and holiday season around the corner, ect

Perhaps she had an audition, job lead real or otherwise that either caused her to snap..

An acting job that was not one she wanted on a resume.

All those things could obviously lead to a bad end, perhaps of her choosing, perhaps not ,either way, if the worst happened, it could be in Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto or Vancouver.
For now, still hoping for Shannon to be alive, but either hidden, or hiding. jmo.

If you look at the Mitchell release in my last post, you will see that in that case, they also speculated that the victim could have travelled. They also say that foul play was not suspected.

 

[otto]

LE would not be putting out news releases suggesting the possibility that Shannon may be in other cities, unless there was that possibility, imo.
In other missing person cases, they have asked people to check around area properties where person was last seen and bring out search dogs ect.

Reasons why Shannon could willingly be in another city without family contact, and hopefully alive!
Respectful speculation, moo....

A new love interest who may not be, or whom S may think would not be acceptable, to family ie.

As suggested earlier, a " sugar daddy" or to add, " mommy"

A married person, criminal/ gang member, biker comes to mind for some reason.

S may have had a breakdown of some sort, although she seems " together", too much work, breakup and holiday season around the corner, ect

Perhaps she had an audition, job lead real or otherwise that either caused her to snap..

An acting job that was not one she wanted on a resume.

All those things could obviously lead to a bad end, perhaps of her choosing, perhaps not ,either way, if the worst happened, it could be in Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto or Vancouver.
For now, still hoping for Shannon to be alive, but either hidden, or hiding. jmo.

It is common for there to be sightings of a missing person in all sorts of strange places long after a person is deceased. When Laci Peterson was murdered by her husband on Dec 24, 2002, there were sightings of her up and down the coast long after she was lying on the ocean floor. There was even a sighting of her walking down the street with her dog long after she was dead. The fact that there are tips/sighting of Shannon from Vancouver and Toronto is not surprising. Perhaps there will be tips from Montreal and Halifax next week. Police will have to follow up all of those tips, regardless of how unlikely they are. For now, there is no evidence that Shannon took a bus, plane, car, train, taxi, or hitch-hiked out of Calgary. Given that there is no evidence that she left the city, it's very likely that she is still in the city.

 

[dennisfedak81]

I think it's confirmed that the last sighting or communication was as per the release. There are a lot of similarities with this case and Lisa Mitchell. My fear is not that SB is dead. If this is the case no rush to find her. My fear is that she is still alive and being harmed. Who knows when Lisa Mitchell really died and,what she had to endure between missing and death. Did her husband cut her up when she was still alive? This is why the cps has to move fast and in the right direction. Could be domestic or some other creep. When I hear about that little loser guy who killed his dog and cat makes me worry about what kind of other creeps are lurking around out there. We as a community need to bring such creeps to justice when our laws fail or are unprepared.

They also need to release more info so more tips can be generated.

 

[otto]

I think it's confirmed that the last sighting or communication was as per the release. There are a lot of similarities with this case. My fear is not that SB is dead. If this is the case no rush to find her. My fear is that she is still alive and being harmed. This is why the cps has to move fast and in the right direction. Could be domestic or some other creep. When I hear about that little loser guy who killed his dog and cat makes me worry about what kind of other creeps are lurking around out there.

They also need to release more info so more tips can be generated.

The problem is that police don't have any more information. In the Liknes/Obrien case (June 29, 2014 Calgary), as soon as police had surveillance video related to the missing persons (a suspicious green truck in the area), that information was released to the public. Police needed help from the public, and they updated the public as soon as new, relevant information was discovered. The fact that there is no information about Shannon after she was seen at her house at 12:30AM on Nov 27 suggests that nothing is known about her from that time on. Essentially, her last known location is at home, not walking out the door, down the street, in Inglewood, at the Stampede grounds, or anywhere else. Her last known location is at home, and from there, she vanished along with her keys and wallet.

There's another case where Edmonton born Nancy Cooper vanished from her home in NC. According to her husband, he last saw her early in the morning, and he reported that she went for a run. There were no signs of a struggle, no blood, no evidence of a murder. A couple of days later her body was found in a ditch. He was eventually convicted of murder.

 

[dennisfedak81]

This seems to be the case. Let's hope the detectives and other investigators working on this can generate something. Based on the current limited info, suspicion points in only one direction.

I just hope cps is investigating this guy thoroughly and have him under surveillance as well.

 

[news.talk]

This seems to be the case. Let's hope the detectives and other investigators working on this can generate something. Based on the current limited info, suspicion points in only one direction.

I just hope cps is investigating this guy thoroughly and havevhim under surveillance as well.

In my experience, they usually do. Lisa Mitchell's husband was obviously being investigated. For reasons unknown to us at this time, they didn't find her body in the home early on. Cases that have no direct evidence take time. They are not about to tip off a suspect in MSM or otherwise as it would hinder their investigation.

 

[otto]

This seems to be the case. Let's hope the detectives and other investigators working on this can generate something. Based on the current limited info, suspicion points in only one direction.

I just hope cps is investigating this guy thoroughly and have him under surveillance as well.

I'm sure the husband is well aware of the fact that his story doesn't sound right. If they were still spending time together even though they were estranged, why didn't he become concerned when she went silent for five days? Why didn't he call police and report her missing? If they weren't spending time together, what was he doing at her house at 12:30AM on a Wednesday night?

Essentially, we have a 25 year old woman that vanished from her home. There are no signs of foul play; no signs of a struggle, blood, or criminal event. Is it logical for a woman to go out in freezing temperatures after midnight without a phone and walk 1.2 km through a seedy neighbourhood to a pub in the hope that she would find someone she knew? I don't think so.

 

[otto]

In my experience, they usually do. Lisa Mitchell's husband was obviously being investigated. For reasons unknown to us at this time, they didn't find her body in the home early on. Cases that have no direct evidence take time. They are not about to tip off a suspect in MSM or otherwise as it would hinder their investigation.

The reason her body wasn't found in her own home is because the case was first reported to the RCMP, and managed by the RCMP. It took a long time before Calgary police could get a search warrant:

"Police say Mitchell was last seen Oct. 29, 2012 at the couple’s Ogden home in the 7600 block of 26A Street S.E. ... The investigation was turned over to the Calgary Police Service on Jan. 9, 2013 [by RCMP], which led officers to execute a search warrant Friday [Dec 5, 2014] at the Ogden home."

http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/police-investigation-underway-at-ogden-home

 

[dennisfedak81]

I'm sure the husband is well aware of the fact that his story doesn't sound right. If they were still spending time together even though they were estranged, why didn't he become concerned when she went silent for five days? Why didn't he call police and report her missing? If they weren't spending time together, what was he doing at her house at 12:30AM on a Wednesday night?

Essentially, we have a 25 year old woman that vanished from her home. There are no signs of foul play; no signs of a struggle, blood, or criminal event. Is it logical for a woman to go out in freezing temperatures after midnight without a phone and walk 1.2 km through a seedy neighbourhood to a pub in the hope that she would find someone she knew? I don't think so.

Well said. These are my thoughts on this case exactly. The pub story about what she did after the post midnight meeting with her ex is the rub!

No phone, cold temperatures dark streets and a long walk to a pub by herself. Damn, it could be true but seems to be a stretch!

Was she missing any jackets in her home. It would be even a further stretch if she went to the pub without a coat. Friends should be able to help here.

 

[deugirtni]

In the link quoted in your reply post above, it says the couple shared a home in Ramsey. I'm confused. (BBM)

Shannon was last seen in the early morning hours of Thursday, November 27, at her home in the 1900 block of Spiller Rd. S.E in the community of Ramsay, a home she shares with her husband Josh.

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/family-says-shannon-madill-burgess-was-unlikely-to-disappear-without-contacting-anyone-1.2134851

The husband owns a home in Rundle and SB lives in Ramsey.

 

[dennisfedak81]

This maybe true but why would the news release say they shared the home in Ramsey. Was this misreporting? Accurate? This fact makes a significant difference.

 

[news.talk]

In the link quoted in your reply post above, it says the couple shared a home in Ramsey. I'm confused. (BBM)

Welcome to the wonderful world of MSM. One cannot alwaya trust the facts as reported.

 

[dennisfedak81]

Exactly. Because the implications of the two scenarios lead to different questions. If he didn't live there why was he there at that time? Just passing by?