Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #1 *Arrest*

[PonderingNS]

Last question for the night. Does anyone else find it strange that very few of her friends on FB or Twitter have commented/ posted on Shannon being missing ? Even her husband hasn't changed his post. I think even if it were my ex and they were missing, I would share that info. I find it strange that he has nothing up about her but has been in changing things in his FB.

 

[news.talk]

Last question for the night. Does anyone else find it strange that very few of her friends on FB or Twitter have commented/ posted on Shannon being missing ? Even her husband hasn't changed his post. I think even if it were my ex and they were missing, I would share that info. I find it strange that he has nothing up about her but has been in changing things in his FB.

When I compare the case to other missing people in Calgary, I am left perplexed by the response. No flyers pasting the city, no organized searches and very little social-media presence.

Either the family are in serious denial, or for what ever reason, they believe that SB has left on her own accord.

What concerns me, is the police response to a couple of pictures. If *they* suspect that SB met with foul play - enough to dispatch some serious resources, then is the family wrong or are LE?

 

[stan laurel]

Last question for the night. Does anyone else find it strange that very few of her friends on FB or Twitter have commented/ posted on Shannon being missing ? Even her husband hasn't changed his post. I think even if it were my ex and they were missing, I would share that info. I find it strange that he has nothing up about her but has been in changing things in his FB.

I noticed this too and wouldn't have considered it odd if her friends were not in a business of meeting many from end to end of the country (Comedians travel a lot and have huge networks, social networks). If you're not on WS, then more than likely it has slid into the back-pages of ones mind.

 

[LoisLane]

When I compare the case to other missing people in Calgary, I am left perplexed by the response. No flyers pasting the city, no organized searches and very little social-media presence.

Either the family are in serious denial, or for what ever reason, they believe that SB has left on her own accord.

What concerns me, is the police response to a couple of pictures. If *they* suspect that SB met with foul play - enough to dispatch some serious resources, then is the family wrong or are LE?

The family said on FB that they passed out posters in the Inglewood area IIRC. They also encouraged FB friends to print the posters and put them up.

I do find it really odd that the family is reacting in certain ways. EM was venting her frustrations about the speculation and rumours and discouraged this behaviour. I think that was a poor move because some rumours have merit. IMO.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

When I compare the case to other missing people in Calgary, I am left perplexed by the response. No flyers pasting the city, no organized searches and very little social-media presence.

Either the family are in serious denial, or for what ever reason, they believe that SB has left on her own accord.

What concerns me, is the police response to a couple of pictures. If *they* suspect that SB met with foul play - enough to dispatch some serious resources, then is the family wrong or are LE?

You can't say LE might be wrong without saying they are incompetent. If P then Q... Remember? Careful... lol.

 

[LoisLane]

You can't say LE might be wrong without saying they are incompetent. If P then Q... Remember? Careful... lol.

Eek! I didn't have the guts to bring that up! LOL!

 

[LoisLane]

I noticed this too and wouldn't have considered it odd if her friends were not in a business of meeting many from end to end of the country (Comedians travel a lot and have huge networks, social networks). If you're not on WS, then more than likely it has slid into the back-pages of ones mind.

In the world of show business... "The show must go on..."

 

[deugirtni]

Thank you for mentioning that movie.. at the time when that came out.. I had this boss who so reminded me of this.. but recently when I was thinking about the movie, I couldn't remember the name or who was in it or anything. Want to watch it again.

As much as that poor husband guy is kind of left holding the bag and looking kind of guilty just because he was the last to see her, I just don't feel like it was him, MOO. If SB had all kinds of friends in the acting industry, and in bars and went out in the wee hours by herself.. I think there was perhaps plenty of opportunity for someone to either happen upon an opportunity, or plan an opportunity. Surely to God, LE would have searched their home though.. everywhere.. and vehicles.. and her social media, and etc.

I assumed LE would have already had a look around the home SB and JB shared after all, she could be in the home. If they haven't checked it, she could be being held against her will by JB. Maybe he was sick of having to pin her down on her erratic timetable to talk so he thought he would make sure she couldn't leave for a bit. He is now panicking because he realises how many people are looking for her, how many LE officers and resources are being used. This is all strictly me speculating and it is far fetched....I just hope LE have been checking the garbage. JB reminds me of the part played by Michael Douglas in "Falling Down", a straight-as-a-dye ordinary kind of man, by the book and the law and then one day.....completely flip out.

 

[deugirtni]

The 'distress' comment (if it is even accurate, one never knows with some media).. could have had something more to do with the 'health/medical' aspect, as opposed to the relationship/arguments/disagreements aspect ?

-Respectfully snipped by me-


On Dec 5 Madill said that there had not been any major arguments or disagreements prior to her sister’s disappearance.

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/police-search-for-calgary-woman-who-disappeared-a-week-ago

 

[deugirtni]

No... I'm not saying that JB wouldn't have known that SB was not at home for all of those days.. he definitely would have known that.. I'm saying that he would not necessarily have known that she was 'missing', and that nobody knew where she was, that she had not shown up for expected and planned appointments, nor that she had not contacted anyone else. All he may have known was that she was gone, whereabouts unknown, with no communication to him, perhaps as usual. If she had gone as she was expected to, to Edmonton or wherever her appointments were that she missed, or even if she didn't, he wouldn't know whether she had been in contact with her family... not until SB's sister asked him of her whereabouts on the Monday. To me, he was in the worst possible position.. not knowing perhaps anything at all (and not by his choice I'm sure), and yet expected by others to know everything.

BBM

Shannon had a dog, the dog was living with her and JB, if she had not been home for 5 days and JB was at work, he must have noticed the dog was not taken care of the entire day/night for days on a row I assume?

Is her dog found, is the dog missing too? Was her dog staying with someone else for some time? If Shannon was planning on leaving for days she would have to tell JB so he could take care of the dog, if not she must have told someone else and had that someone look after the dog for a certain period of time, if none of the above JB would notice the dog wasn't taken care of for 5 days. IMO

 

[Micheline]

Last question for the night. Does anyone else find it strange that very few of her friends on FB or Twitter have commented/ posted on Shannon being missing ? Even her husband hasn't changed his post. I think even if it were my ex and they were missing, I would share that info. I find it strange that he has nothing up about her but has been in changing things in his FB.

Yes I find that strange too, some do not even mention her being missing, just post about their performances and such.
I think they may not feel it being out of character for her to "be out of the picture" for a while, maybe know her reasons and cover for her. Her sister also does not insist she needs to be found, just wants to know if she is doing OK.

Somehow I do not think there is a missings person's case here, but someone who does not want contact with her family and ex for some reason, even if no major arguments as mentioned by her sister, maybe small arguments then and those being enough for Shannon to stay with friends for a while and not contact her family. I just hope this is the case, and that she will return at some point when she is ready for it and all will be fine.

 

[Micheline]

No... I'm not saying that JB wouldn't have known that SB was not at home for all of those days.. he definitely would have known that.. I'm saying that he would not necessarily have known that she was 'missing', and that nobody knew where she was, that she had not shown up for expected adn planned appointments, nor that she had not contacted anyone else. All he may have known was that she was gone, whereabouts unknown, with no communication to him, perhaps as usual. If she had gone as she was expected to, to Edmonton or wherever her appointments were that she missed, or even if she didn't, he wouldn't know whether she had been in contact with her family... not until SB's sister asked him of her whereabouts on the Monday. To me, he was in the worst possible position.. not knowing perhaps anything at all (and not by his choice I'm sure), and yet expected by others to know everything.

If she was not home for all those days then there must have been arrangements at least about who would take care of the dog, so she must have told him she was planning on going away for a period of time, and if he could take care of the dog during that period, in that case he would not have known she was missing, but aware of her plans of not being home for some time.

If a friend was taking care of the dog then Shannon must have offered a reason for bringing the dog, and that person having been aware of her plans.

Somehow the dog situation would provide at least some answer, if she has just left the dog behind for days without a word, then JB must have thought this was not "as usual". IMO

 

[deugirtni]

Well.. they were married (previously) and living in the same house and I imagine that JB became part owner of the dog, along with SB. It likely wasn't a weird situation for him to be in that he had to care for the dog in SB's absence, it sounds like perhaps she may have travelled a bit.. at least to Edmonton. It's weird that nothing has even been mentioned about the dog. Do they even still have the dog? It's my guess that SB didn't ask him to care for the dog, it was just assumed that he would, and for however long. If it was unusual, then why would that not have been added to the rest of the unusual behavior which was mentioned by the family, like the not contacting family or friends? We can't assume it was unusual behavior for this couple, since they were living apparently in an usual arrangement where they were separated and yet still residing in the same household.

If she was not home for all those days then there must have been arrangements at least about who would take care of the dog, so she must have told him she was planning on going away for a period of time, and if he could take care of the dog during that period, in that case he would not have known she was missing, but aware of her plans of not being home for some time.

If a friend was taking care of the dog then Shannon must have offered a reason for bringing the dog, and that person having been aware of her plans.

Somehow the dog situation would provide at least some answer, if she has just left the dog behind for days without a word, then JB must have thought this was not "as usual". IMO

 

[dotr]

When I compare the case to other missing people in Calgary, I am left perplexed by the response. No flyers pasting the city, no organized searches and very little social-media presence.

Either the family are in serious denial, or for what ever reason, they believe that SB has left on her own accord.

What concerns me, is the police response to a couple of pictures. If *they* suspect that SB met with foul play - enough to dispatch some serious resources, then is the family wrong or are LE?

Wondering if LE thought S posted those pictures herself and were looking for her in Fish Creek for that reason.
Homicide LE apparently were not called in, although cadaver dogs were present... jmo.

 

[deugirtni]

In that video link posted, it is Chris Epp, news reporter, who states that she stopped returning calls on the Friday (November 28th), it is not EM who said that. Then they took part of EM's quote out of context as follows (BBM). So the video did not state this, just the reporter:

Chris Epp reports:
'This is Shannon Burgess doing what she does best, performing. Her family says the actress is outgoing, social and in constant contact with them and her friends. That's why they got scared when she suddenly stopped returning calls last Friday.'

Then part of EM's quote from the presser (quoted below in its entirety around that point) is inserted, out of context, after his making the statement above:

EM:
'That's when we became concerned and called the police. It wasn't until Monday night that we knew she'd missed a whole bunch of other appointments.'

Stated by EM during the press conference held December 5th:
We became concerned when my father called me on Monday. She didn't actually show up to an evening with my younger brother Brett. She was supposed to go to Stage West with him. They actually made that plan on the tuesday so it was quite a very recent plan.. so when my father called me to ask if i'd spoken to her, i hadn't, and that's when i started calling her, and i actually contacted J at that point in time.. and when we hadn't heard back and josh returned home that night and she wasn't there, thats when we became concerned and called the police. It wasn't until Monday night that we knew she'd missed a whole bunch of other appointments over the weekend as well.
http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/mobile/family-says-shannon-madill-burgess-was-unlikely-to-disappear-without-contacting-anyone-1.2134851#ixzz3L8Vdi1T1

She also says in this same video that "that is when we became concerned and called the police" referring to Friday- so the police were contacted early on , not after the weekend, as was mentioned a few times. Just for clarification.
However the 10 minute police /news video has the police and sister saying that police were not contacted till Monday. The police repeats it a couple of times.
I am perplexed.

The video specifically says " she stopped returning CALLS last Friday, not texts.

Otto, if you get a minute rewatch the pressers her sister gives. In the following one at the 30 SECOND mark she says " SHE STOPPED RETURNING CALLS LAST FRIDAY " so that would mean she walked to somewhere and was presumably safe overnight that night and Thurs to Friday would it not ? That is why her sister said on her FB page then that she went missing on FRIDAY .

 

[deugirtni]

It was earlier thought that SB had replied on Friday (Nov 28th) to texts from her brother, but after researching further, they discovered his texts had never been replied to (all times are in EST, they are 2 hours ahead of Calgary time) (BBM):

LM (SB's Mom): Last known contact was Friday, November 28th, a text to her brother
December 3 at 12:41pm

DM (SB's Dad): Last known contact has been updated to be Wednesday, November 26, 2014
December 4 at 1:55am

NG (friend): I thought she sent a text on Friday
December 4 at 1:56am

DM: No, when the records were checked it turned out she never responded to the Friday texts.
December 4 at 2:00am

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On December 4th, EM, (SB's sister) posted:

December 4 at 12:40am ·

SB is still missing and hasn't actually been hear from since Wednesday. She was actually last seen in Calgary not Edmonton though she does have contacts in Edmonton as well.

 

[LoisLane]

I pulled these comments from one of SB's family member's FB. The comments are time stamped. I have removed names. I think this should comply with WS rules.
(?) = FB friend
(F) = Family member
When a number is next to an "F" or a "?' that is a second and third member

(?) When did she go missing!?!
December 3 at 10:31am

(F) Last known contact was Friday, November 28th, a text to her brother
December 3 at 10:41am

(?) Can you get the phone records for her cell?
December 3 at 10:47am

(F) Police are on it
December 3 at 10:48am

(?) She said she had an audition in Edmonton
December 3 at 9:53am

(F) Didn't show up
December 3 at 10:57am

(F) Or to her rehearsals and Stage West with her brother
December 3 at 11:00am

(?) This is probably redundant but you've checked all hospitals in Calgary and Edmonton?
December 3 at 11:02am

(F) Police have her name and description on some alert system, can't remember what it's called that is province wide
December 3 at 11:04am

(?) Okay. This is crazy, I was just with her on Tuesday
December 3 at 11:17am

(F) Did she say when the audition was
December 3 at 11:32am

(?) No, maybe *** would know, he was there too
December 3 at 11:36am

(?) *** *******
December 3 at 11:36am

(F) Thanks will check with him
December 3 at 11:36am

(F2) Last known contact has been updated to be Wednesday, November 26, 2014
December 3 at 11:55pm

(?) I thought she sent a text on Friday
December 3 at 11:56pm

(F2) No, when the records were checked it turned out she never responded to the Friday texts.
December 3 at 12:00pm

(?2) any word?
December 5 at 7:42pm

(F3) Nothing yet. Still hoping something will come up soon.
December 5 at 8:20pm

(F2) No new news so far today
December 6 at 1:32pm

(?2) Crap...that sucks, big time. What are the police doing right now? Are they doing a search? Do they have any leads at all?
December 6 at 1:42pm

(F3) They are doing everything that they can to find her.
December 6 at 1:56pm

(F) Everything, they are amazing to work with. We have nothing but admiration for the job the police are doing. Sadly, no news yet
December 6 at 1:57pm

 

[otto]

Given that police have said that Shannon was last seen on Nov 27 at 12:30AM at her residence, and her cell phone is at her residence, doesn't that mean that social media banter about text and cell phone activity after that time is irrelevant?

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=507836

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Given that police have said that Shannon was last seen on Nov 27 at 12:30AM at her residence, and her cell phone is at her residence, doesn't that mean that social media banter about text and cell phone activity after that time is irrelevant?

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=507836

How is it irrelevant? She was last seen at that time, but it doesn't mean she disappeared at that time. It also doesn't mean that was the last time she used her cell phone.

 

[otto]

How is it irrelevant? She was last seen at that time, but it doesn't mean she disappeared at that time. It also doesn't mean that was the last time she used her cell phone.

Shannon vanished from her home at 12:30AM late Wednesday night. Her phone did not vanish - it remained at her home. Shannon and her phone have been separated since 12:30 AM Nov 27.

The time provided by police is the last time that Shannon is accounted for, and it does mean that it was the last time that she had her phone with her.