Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #2 *Arrest*

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  • #481
I haven't posted for a while as I have ran out of ideas with respect to this. The media silence and silence from the family has certainly been curious. Does anyone out there think she is still.alive? I have also read a comment online that she was an occasional guest at a Calgary Swinging club. Has anyone heard or read similar claims?

I have not read the comment about the swing club. Where did you read that? I have made assumptions about her lifestyle and swing club could be probable. Some are private and require a membership and some are searchable online and thru facebook. I searched thru a few and never came across her profile but that doesn't mean she didn't partake.

I think there are many possible scenarios for Shannon. I think police either have a suspect and have him/her under surveillance or the police have confirmed contact with Shannon and they have yet to make the announcement. Or, they suspect suicide and have just gone quiet until she is recovered. I think they all sound plausible. I hope for her sake she has taken off but why the silence for this long and if police have knowledge of her wherabouts would they not make a quick and simple statement to say case closed, she is alive and well?

It is very quiet.
 
  • #482
I emailed a reporter regarding the Bridgeland assault and they put in a request for information with CPS. CPS has said they have no new updates on the case. The reporter will pursue a story once more information becomes available.

Seems tight lipped to me...
 
  • #483
Welcome back dennisfedak81! I have missed your contributions too! Can you say where you read the comment online about being an occasional guest? I am sure you have been getting caught up.. but awhile back some new info came to light regarding SB's lifestyle.. and I got the distinct impression that that's where she was when she met her currently estranged husband. JMO.

The silence is disappointing.. but in following a couple of other cases, that seems to be the way it goes when they have absolutely *zilch*! I believe she must be deceased, unfortunately, any other reasoning for her remaining missing over the holidays doesn't make sense for me. I guess it is human nature to want everything all wrapped up and packed away, and it's really hard to do the waiting until she is found!

I haven't posted for a while as I have ran out of ideas with respect to this. The media silence and silence from the family has certainly been curious. Does anyone out there think she is still.alive? I have also read a comment online that she was an occasional guest at a Calgary Swinging club. Has anyone heard or read similar claims?
 
  • #484
I'm stuck on this & I keep going back to it...

The family has put up posters around Inglewood where her last financial transactions were made.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/shannon-madill-missing-calgarian-sought-by-police-1.2862214

:thinking:

Where EXACTLY & what proof do they have it was her making the transactions? NORMALLY, if it was at a bank machine, there would be video of Shannon & they would release it...no? So WHAT EXACTLY does this mean in regards to Shannon's last known whereabouts???

:dunno:
 
  • #485
The key here would be when those transactions took place. Unfortunately this is not being disclosed.

But I do agree. These could provide information critical to the case.
 
  • #486
There was something in that 10 min presser with the police and family that struck me then about her financial transactions. I mentioned it before. It's the way the officer evades a question, then starts to say something but changes it when pressed about her banking activity. Will have to watch again.
 
  • #487
There was something in that 10 min presser with the police and family that struck me then about her financial transactions. I mentioned it before. It's the way the officer evades a question, then starts to say something but changes it when pressed about her banking activity. Will have to watch again.

i will look too, what are your thoughts on the reactions?

eta: just watched two things he did not want to get into, her health and banking transactions. makes me think perhaps she withdrew money and might have a dx which may cause her to decide to take off. to vancouver or toronto. perhaps she thinks she can get more work there. perhaps (no disrespect just speculation) she became manic.
 
  • #488
I'm stuck on this & I keep going back to it...



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/shannon-madill-missing-calgarian-sought-by-police-1.2862214

:thinking:

Where EXACTLY & what proof do they have it was her making the transactions? NORMALLY, if it was at a bank machine, there would be video of Shannon & they would release it...no? So WHAT EXACTLY does this mean in regards to Shannon's last known whereabouts???

:dunno:

Agree, that's an interesting tidbit of info. Transaction might not be an ATM either, could be a interac transaction at a restaurant, bar, pub, drugstore, pay phone (if they still exist, I know there are a few out there and you can use a card to charge on it), etc.

Wonder if LE is evading to not give away a certain location in case other people (or potential suspects) were in same location that night… so many scenarios here!
 
  • #489
I haven't posted for a while as I have ran out of ideas with respect to this. The media silence and silence from the family has certainly been curious. Does anyone out there think she is still.alive? I have also read a comment online that she was an occasional guest at a Calgary Swinging club. Has anyone heard or read similar claims?

Welcome back! I don't have a defined belief here in regards to deceased or not. Shannon sounds like a dynamic personality and frankly, I feel Shannon could went in any direction. I don't mean or say that lightly or disrespectfully, I mean she sounds unstoppable and one who lives in the moment.

So I basically I think similar to LoisLane...possible suicide and keeping quiet: yes, possible homicide and surveilling suspect: yes, disappear on her own: gutsy enough and capable of it in the form of an idea - yes, but I do not think she would do it and go through with it and hurt her friends and family.
 
  • #490
I would agree. Even if she was very free spirited or subject to manic episodes that would soon end and you would think she would at least call a friend or family member.
 
  • #491
I haven't posted for a while as I have ran out of ideas with respect to this. The media silence and silence from the family has certainly been curious. Does anyone out there think she is still.alive? I have also read a comment online that she was an occasional guest at a Calgary Swinging club. Has anyone heard or read similar claims?

I forgot to ask in my last reply/post to this... What are your thoughts/theory? Do you think she is still alive? I am curious like you, what the contributors to this thread think as to whether there's foul play involved and if she's alive or in a different province.
 
  • #492
As far as I have read on the subject, I think there are wide ranges of time in which the manic (and the depressive) episodes can last. But if SB were afflicted with this disorder, and if she was on a manic episode, and perhaps flying high and perhaps thinking she could make it big in a different province, you would think that even if she didn't contact family or friends, and even over Christmas, they, or someone, might be likely to catch wind of her antics, whatever it is she was up to. One might also suspect that she would be in touch with *some*one in her profession, or people in other provinces (or in any province at all) would have also heard about her missing, and perhaps even if strangers, they might also know people within the industry within Calgary. It just seems too unlikely that not a word would be heard. I'm sure the public/MSM would catch wind of it if SB had been heard from at all, by anyone, ie if the family knew there were stories out there that she was around, I'm sure MSM would also have caught wind of it and it would have been reported, even as a possibility, if not a sure thing.

About a year ago, someone kind of landed in our doorway at work and we became introduced to someone with this condition.. although it took awhile before we clued in (since we're not professionals at diagnosing mental issues); by the time we clued in, things were pretty rip roaring crazy. And at same time, same craziness was happening with this person... everywhere.. and all kinds of people from all different sources were also seeing it... in one way or another.. and the person was not shy or quiet, she got AROUND.. if that is kind of what it is like for others suffering from that disorder (well at least if they are unmedicated), I can't imagine that SB's family wouldn't have at least heard rumblings about it, if not full fledged stories, and then followed up on them.

I would agree. Even if she was very free spirited or subject to manic episodes that would soon end and you would think she would at least call a friend or family member.
 
  • #493
That really *does* seem to be an interesting tidbit of info. Too bad LE doesn't release more info, like timing. Were these last financial transactions done before 12:30am on Nov 27th? Or after? I believe family had said she hadn't been heard from or seen since then, but that doesn't necessarily mean her bank or credit card wasn't used somewhere?

And I recall the family saying they had put up posters in the Inglewood area: "The family has put up posters around Inglewood where her last financial transactions were made." (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/shannon-madill-missing-calgarian-sought-by-police-1.2862214).

Lala, you're right, if those financial transactions were not at a bank, then there may not be any CCTV footage of her using her cards, so really, it could it have been anyone using her card?? Jeez. If these transactions were prior to her last sighting at her home by her estranged husband, then it sounds like she came back to Calgary, went places in Inglewood, and then came home and did some social networking.. but then what? But if these transactions were AFTER her last sighting at her home by her estranged husband, then perhaps that is why LE and her family do not suspect him being involved? 'She 'left' with her keys and her purse'. If she became subject to foul play at some point, then why haven't they found her?

This almost sounds like it could start making some sense.. she returns from presumably Edmonton on the evening of November 26th, too late to attend the YY's Development Night.. does some social networking (last post on FB was.... I forget.. perhaps 9;15pm??), passes by her estranged husband at 12;30am on her way out the door with her keys and her purse.. perhaps she had made plans with someone on FB?? Or OKC?? Or just friends?? Goes out, spends money somewhere, perhaps various places in Inglewood.. LE catch up with this info (finding the financial transactions, finding the social activity through her phone and FB and OKC accounts?), LE tracks down the last people she had known contact with (through her phone, FB, etc).. they tell LE that she was heading to Vancouver or Toronto (to get the heat off of themselves).. and nothing since then. If this scenario is what happened, then it makes perhaps less sense that JB wouldn't have been worried that she hadn't come home, but then again, he could have been used to her staying out for a couple of nights (mostly non-monogamous) and then assumed she travelled with someone to Edmonton in time for her scheduled appointments there, and nobody may have told him she didn't show up....... Or........ someone could be lying.. and could have actually accompanied her on her way out the door at 12;30am, and then used her debit cards at a couple of locations, with or without her, and then ditched her on the way home? That would be too risky though.. to potentially have people at these Inglewood places saying, 'no we didn't see her, but we saw her husband'.. or 'yes, we saw her and she was with 🤬🤬🤬'... ???

Agree, that's an interesting tidbit of info. Transaction might not be an ATM either, could be a interac transaction at a restaurant, bar, pub, drugstore, pay phone (if they still exist, I know there are a few out there and you can use a card to charge on it), etc.

Wonder if LE is evading to not give away a certain location in case other people (or potential suspects) were in same location that night… so many scenarios here!
 
  • #494
Don't want to interrupt the thread & am 5 pages late but saying thanks for clarifying re: SBs' brakes. Idk where I got the idea they had been cut? There would have likely been traces of brake fluid if they were snipped & it would have to be some kind of magic to end up in the driveway if they were cut also.

And not to nitpick but as someone who has dealt with mental health issues, can I ask that people refrain from using the term "crazy" to describe behaviour associated with a mental illness? Crazy in this regard, imho, should be reserved for psychopaths & extreme cases. Most people with bipolar don't go manic and run across the country in the middle of winter. And if they do, it is more likely to be schizophrenia & not bipolar. I hope that doesn't offend anyone esp since I am new here.

If SB took off on her own, at some point by now wouldn't she be needing money? How could she get around unseen & on cash this whole time? Surely someone somewhere would have seen her? And if she committed suicide, where is her body? If someone randomly killed her, they wouldn't try too hard to conceal her body (obv not leave her in plain sight unless a serial killer) so by now you'd think in that case a body would have been found?

It seems like either she had some kind of plan for going incognito or her ex did something & concealed it or someone else known to/stalking SB has done something & concealed it. On a sidenote regarding depression/mental health, one might also question that theory considering the holidays came & went without a word from SB. Even mentally healthy ppl get emotional during the holidays, but no contact with family? Something is not gelling here.
 
  • #495
i only suggest being manic because my sister in law has bipolar disorder, and when she was going through an episode she took off up north (i'm in saskatchewan) with a guy, to a cabin and didn't tell anyone. she was missing for quite a while before he brought her back and checked her into a hospital. (that's how we found her). we seriously thought she died or killed herself. that was in the early nineties. i am only drawing from my experiences to throw around ideas. i do not take the term manic lightly.
 
  • #496
Don't want to interrupt the thread & am 5 pages late but saying thanks for clarifying re: SBs' brakes. Idk where I got the idea they had been cut? There would have likely been traces of brake fluid if they were snipped & it would have to be some kind of magic to end up in the driveway if they were cut also.

And not to nitpick but as someone who has dealt with mental health issues, can I ask that people refrain from using the term "crazy" to describe behaviour associated with a mental illness? Crazy in this regard, imho, should be reserved for psychopaths & extreme cases. Most people with bipolar don't go manic and run across the country in the middle of winter. And if they do, it is more likely to be schizophrenia & not bipolar. I hope that doesn't offend anyone esp since I am new here.

If SB took off on her own, at some point by now wouldn't she be needing money? How could she get around unseen & on cash this whole time? Surely someone somewhere would have seen her? And if she committed suicide, where is her body? If someone randomly killed her, they wouldn't try too hard to conceal her body (obv not leave her in plain sight unless a serial killer) so by now you'd think in that case a body would have been found?

It seems like either she had some kind of plan for going incognito or her ex did something & concealed it or someone else known to/stalking SB has done something & concealed it. On a sidenote regarding depression/mental health, one might also question that theory considering the holidays came & went without a word from SB. Even mentally healthy ppl get emotional during the holidays, but no contact with family? Something is not gelling here.

Shannon also has close ties with a certain comic friend who "jokes" about his diagnosed manic depression and various other comics do as well. I respect trying to be politically correct but we are human and can't always walk on eggshells about correct terminology or are as concerned about tactfulness. Some people are quite educated on the topic and if they choose to enlighten and educate the group that is great. Pointing out others incorrect use of the word "crazy" is in my opinion not the best way to do this. Also maybe whoever uses the word "crazy" is aware of the meaning you described and is using it the correct way. Or maybe it is just a word used in a hypothetical situation.
 
  • #497
I am curious what the "H" middle name is for Shannon. Possibly she uses her middle name if she has moved away.

Holly, Heather, Helen...
 
  • #498
Regarding the 'crazy' word. I was very careful not to call any 'person' crazy, but yes, I did call the 'behaviour' crazy, which I encountered personally over a few weeks in time in a person who was new to me and I had no prior knowledge of. I'm sorry if that offends. I do know, based on knowing people, and knowing 'of' people, and of seeing with my own eyes, that it is possible for mentally ill people, (or really 'any' people, for that matter), to act crazy at times. 'Crazy-making' is definitely what I feel is happening at times when having dealt with a person with mental health issues, just in a day-to-day basis as in dealing with any indiivdual on a day-to-day basis, and usually unbeknownst to me at the time. Sometimes in life, I have found that when people, myself or others, feel 'crazy' themselves, when dealing with certain individuals, it has later been discovered that the said certain individuals were in fact mentally ill.

Mental illness isn't something that is always easy to quickly point out in a person, like perhaps a burn mark or broken leg might be, as I'm sure everyone knows. It isn't like everyone that comes into contact with that person will know it right off the bat, as most of us are not highly educated and trained mental health professionals. I have attended seminars where the speakers were professionals who deal with mental illness of various flavours every day in their jobs, on an emergency basis, and they told numerous real-life stories, some humorous, some not, about the 'craziness' in their day to day work. In fact, the speakers were there to give the group in attendance a general overview of how to potentially recognize mental illness. I might also disagree with saying that most bipolar people don't 'go manic and run across the country in the winter'. We would be talking about unmedicated bipolar people, just so that we're on the same page, and I think unmedicated manic people can tend to see things differently than they would if they were not manic, and this can cause them to potentially say, act, and do all kinds of things they may not 'normally' do. And of course, I suspect there are variances in severity of mental health issues. And from what I have seen, I don't think the mentally ill person is generally aware that their behaviour might be 'off'. That might even be a hallmark OF mental illness. MOO of course.

ETA Also wanted to mention that often times there may be 'overlapping' mental health issues, mental health is apparently a field in which there is no 'black and white', since of course, it isn't something for which an 'absolute' test can be taken to determine what exactly might be going on with any said individual. Also I believe there are many mentally ill people walking around that have not been officially diagnosed. MOO.
 
  • #499
Hilary, Heidi, Hannah, ...

I am curious what the "H" middle name is for Shannon. Possibly she uses her middle name if she has moved away.

Holly, Heather, Helen...
 
  • #500
Does anyone remember if the movie Ascension was listed before on her IMDB profile?

I don't recall seeing it. It looks like it might have just been added or the movie itself was added to IMDB and tagged Shannon as being in it (so automatically appears on her profile maybe?) I'm not sure how IMDB works or if you can just tag actors in movies, I'm thinking doubtful and an actor would have to approve this. I clicked edit on Shannon's profile and you do indeed have to log in and have an account.

When I googled Shannon and filter results to the last week, her IMDB profile pops up first with 1 day ago underneath. So did someone access her account and add this movie? Or maybe the movie was there the whole time and I just don't remember!

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm6349818/
 
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