Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #2 *Arrest*

[deugirtni]

Then why were officers searching Sikome Lake area (isn't that north to Chaparral area?

I should have been more specific; chaparall is closer to the pictures that were found attached to trees.

 

[stan laurel]

Then why were officers searching Sikome Lake area (isn't that north to Chaparral area?

it's not that far apart on foot. anyhoo, this is the location that's cordoned off;

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/25...m2!3m1!1s0x5371761c0ceb488f:0x241f898655e62d1

 

[lynck]

Why is the thought of those pictures found in Fish Creek (Who, you remember, bore a resemblance to SB) coming to mind. I can't help but wonder if this "art project" was related to this individual whose remains were found. I certainly hope LE kept the photos and analyze them in detail.

 

[evafiore]

Why is the thought of those pictures found in Fish Creek (Who, you remember, bore a resemblance to SB) coming to mind. I can't help but wonder if this "art project" was related to this individual whose remains were found. I certainly hope LE kept the photos and analyze them in detail.

Don't think so...there's a comment here by someone who claims to know the photographer. I doubted it at first, but if you look a little further, you'll find the profile of a photographer whose work fits the bill.

 

[tarabull]

Just reviewing outloud...
Shannon & JB got engaged on November 29 of 2012.
JB last saw Shannon around 12:30 a.m. on Thursday, November 27, 2014.
Shannon's family became concerned on Sunday, November 30, 2014.
Shannon's family reported her missing on Monday, December 1, 2014.

:thinking:

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Remains identified as Patricia Overes http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/12...ys-fish-creek-park-as-that-of-patrcia-overes/

Sad news for her family. Patricia's daughter must be crushed since Patricia was to become a grandmother to her child, terrible

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Just reviewing outloud...
Shannon & JB got engaged on November 29 of 2013.
JB last saw Shannon around 12:30 a.m. on Thursday, November 27, 2014.
Shannon's family became concerned on Sunday, November 30, 2014.
Shannon's family reported her missing on Monday, December 1, 2014.

:thinking:

I believe they were engaged November 29, 2012 (not 2013) according to FB. Now that you've posted the dates such as you have - I just noticed that Shannon disappeared within days of their engagement anniversary….what are the odds? Was there a fight leading up to their anniversary? Or maybe that was the reason you posted the dates and I just clued in!

From what I know about dysfunctional/abusive-type relationships, the bully will often pick fights prior to, during or right after special occasions. Not saying JB is necessarily this type, but the dates are peculiar.

 

[evafiore]

I believe they were engaged November 29, 2012 (not 2013) according to FB. Now that you've posted the dates such as you have - I just noticed that Shannon disappeared within days of their engagement anniversary….what are the odds? Was there a fight leading up to their anniversary? Or maybe that was the reason you posted the dates and I just clued in!

From what I know about dysfunctional/abusive-type relationships, the bully will often pick fights prior to, during or right after special occasions. Not saying JB is necessarily this type, but the dates are peculiar.

Definitely possible. But keep in mind that some people (ahem...I don't remember my engagement anniversary!) don't celebrate that stuff. They had an open relationship and got married very uneventfully in 2014---IMO bureaucracy was a big part of that. If you're "mostly non-monogamous", marriage might not have the same significance as it would for monogamous couples.

Just a thought.

 

[tarabull]

Definitely possible. But keep in mind that some people (ahem...I don't remember my engagement anniversary!) don't celebrate that stuff. They had an open relationship and got married very uneventfully in 2014---IMO bureaucracy was a big part of that. If you're "mostly non-monogamous", marriage might not have the same significance as it would for monogamous couples.

Just a thought.

I appreciate your pointing that out...anything is possible...& perception is always interesting.

Would you update your FB to say 'got engaged to blahblahblah on such and such'???...I sure as heck wouldn't.

Would you post a photo of your hands witH their hands showing off the ring with the caption 'I guess I'm done' on your FB page the day after this convenient arrangement was agreed upon??

Yeah me neither...

But doing so could serve as a constant reminder. Ya think? :thinking:

Please keep in mind that some people (ahem...I like U don't give two hoots about mine or anyone else engagement date) don't celebrate that stuff ---> BUT SOME PEOPLE DO...

Monogamous or not...it's ALL been done. Humans are strange animals.

Just saying...

 

[evafiore]

I appreciate your pointing that out...anything is possible...& perception is always interesting.

Would you update your FB to say 'got engaged to blahblahblah on such and such'???...I sure as heck wouldn't.

Would you post a photo of your hands witH their hands showing off the ring with the caption 'I guess I'm done' on your FB page the day after this convenient arrangement was agreed upon??

Yeah me neither...

But doing so could serve as a constant reminder. Ya think? :thinking:

Please keep in mind that some people (ahem...I like U don't give two hoots about mine or anyone else engagement date) don't celebrate that stuff ---> BUT SOME PEOPLE DO...

Monogamous or not...it's ALL been done. Humans are strange animals.

Just saying...

Yes, been there, done that, got the t-shirt (yes, really...:heartluv
I don't remember the date.

I'm not saying that's how it is, and not saying you're wrong. Just trying to broaden the perspective of the discussion. Also, I think it's important to note that their wedding was basically a non-event---which could be for a number of reasons as well. Lots of possibilities.

 

[tarabull]

I realize that & can understand it.

Why waste money on something that just doesn't matter???

 

[evafiore]

I realize that & can understand it.

Why waste money on something that just doesn't matter???

Like you said, humans are "strange animals." Ask any divorced couple (and even some married ones) why they wasted money on a ring, and you'd get a mix of answers. Maybe it mattered at that moment back in 2012, but that feeling got lost somewhere along the way. Also, she would have been 23 in 2012---that's young.

 

[tarabull]

Again perception is funny.

When I said it didn't matter I meant the bells, whistle and bling of a wedding.

Not the actually marriage.

Yep, people can be funny & by that I don't mean haha funny.

Maybe Shannon did leave on her own :dunno: ??? Anyone's guess is good.

Wish we knew what she took with her...did she leave a note? It seems if she did either of those things this might not be an actual missing person case but rather a break up.

ETA: I say that only IF the car and cell were not in her name but rather HIS....why else leave them behind???

Don't get me started on the dog.

:thinking:

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I believe they were engaged November 29, 2012 (not 2013) according to FB. Now that you've posted the dates such as you have - I just noticed that Shannon disappeared within days of their engagement anniversary….what are the odds? Was there a fight leading up to their anniversary? Or maybe that was the reason you posted the dates and I just clued in!

From what I know about dysfunctional/abusive-type relationships, the bully will often pick fights prior to, during or right after special occasions. Not saying JB is necessarily this type, but the dates are peculiar.

... and conversely, it is not unusual for those with mental illnesses like Bipolar Disorder or Borderline Personality Disorder to have difficulties with special occasions.

 

[evafiore]

... and conversely, it is not unusual for those with mental illnesses like Bipolar Disorder or Borderline Personality Disorder to have difficulties with special occasions.

...hence the last minute, low key marriage, and LE's sudden change of approach (evidence indicates she left voluntarily)? I think it's definitely possible.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

...hence the last minute, low key marriage, and LE's sudden change of approach (evidence indicates she left voluntarily)? I think it's definitely possible.

Without more information, for every speculation that she met with foul play, there is an opposite, and equally valid interpretation that she left voluntarily.

I just keep going back to where she was last seen... not came to bed, not getting out of bed, not left her in bed... if they were not close, and didn't care if one another was gone for days, then a relationship on the rocks always draws a critical eye.

The characterizations of first a nasty divorce, then changed to everything is rosy raises that same critical eye.

 

[deugirtni]

This whole thing with that body just having been discovered, and talking about the searches that took place, one by LE after the 'artistic photos hanging in the trees', and another by volunteers searching for Justin McKinnon, .. it got me thinking again, how odd it is that SB's family doesn't seem to have organized anything of the kind. I was thinking, wow, if that body turns out to be SB, and I was a family member, I would be feeling SO bad that I hadn't organized a search crew for this park which seems to be a great place to hide bodies.

 

[deugirtni]

I find that one anniversary can tend to replace another. For example, it might be important in the beginning (for young people more, it seems) to celebrate an anniversary of 'going out'.. and then later, that 'anniversary' might be replaced by 'got engaged', and then if eventually married, the engagement anniversary would be replace with 'wedding anniversary'.. otherwise, people would be setting themselves up for failure in having to remember all of those assorted dates. And whoever said, 'for something that doesn't matter', I thought they were referring to the marriage itself, because really, it's true.. the marriage that doesn't matter, if it is mostly non-monogramous. Why bother in the first place, nevermind celebrate its anniversary? MOO

Definitely possible. But keep in mind that some people (ahem...I don't remember my engagement anniversary!) don't celebrate that stuff. They had an open relationship and got married very uneventfully in 2014---IMO bureaucracy was a big part of that. If you're "mostly non-monogamous", marriage might not have the same significance as it would for monogamous couples.

Just a thought.

 

[evafiore]

Yes, the marriage "not mattering" was the point I was trying to get at (and tarabull as well, I think---though we may not have realized that we meant the same thing ). I was suggesting that the anniversary date, and marriage, were possibly insignificant to SB and JB and that the date of her disappearance falling close to their engagement anniversary may be a coincidence.

Why bother? If you're mostly non-monogamous, and you get married, it could very well be for bureaucratic reasons.

 

[Topcat]

I realize that & can understand it.

Why waste money on something that just doesn't matter???

I ask my wife that all the time when she comes home from shopping?