Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

[Lalalacasbah]

*If* JB is involved and if LE suspects so, isn't it interesting that JB was there during the presser, and would this have been a strategic move for LE? My thought is - there's some cases where LE uses family and a presser and some cases that don't (JMB for example).

I think they use pressers with family members for emotional triggers if LE feel they have cases where the suspect might know the victims (Liknes/O'Brien case they did to as LE probably knew it wasn't random) and to work up an emotional angle or guilt if a suspect has a conscience by using family members. If foul play is involved in Shannon's case, I don't think it's random.

 

[tarabull]

I like what you're saying. The phone was left there because it could be traced. Same thing about her car.

Just jumping off your post regarding things left behind...

I've always considered there was some type of correspondence left, call it a note if you will but perhaps not hand written...

Maybe even a final (digital) journal entry.

:moo: :cow:

:dunno:

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I was just browsing the Missing People of Canada's FB page and it's heartbreaking. It's unbelievable how many missing people there are, it's actually mind-blowing.

Now, where are the press conferences for ALL those people? Surely, many of them left of their own will. Sure, for many of them it's out of character. Sure, it's possible many of them suffer substance abuse problems. But still, why no pressers?

I'm starting to think LE especially has pressers when they feel it's highly possible foul play has occurred or is a possibility. If they suspect SB left on her own, they would not have had that presser to resolve a family dispute of someone being disgruntled and leaving their life. Even if SB was mentally ill, look how many hundreds of other mentally ill people go missing (alzheimers, depression sufferers, etc.) and they do not get their families on a podium pleading for help. Just an observation….

Link to FB page for Missing People of Canada:
https://www.facebook.com/MissingPeopleCanada?fref=ts

 

[evafiore]

I was just browsing the Missing People of Canada's FB page and it's heartbreaking. It's unbelievable how many missing people there are, it's actually mind-blowing.

Now, where are the press conferences for ALL those people? Surely, many of them left of their own will. Sure, for many of them it's out of character. Sure, it's possible many of them suffer substance abuse problems. But still, why no pressers?

I'm starting to think LE especially has pressers when they feel it's highly possible foul play has occurred or is a possibility. If they suspect SB left on her own, they would not have had that presser to resolve a family dispute of someone being disgruntled and leaving their life. Even if SB was mentally ill, look how many hundreds of other mentally ill people go missing (alzheimers, depression sufferers, etc.) and they do not get their families on a podium pleading for help. Just an observation….

Link to FB page for Missing People of Canada:
https://www.facebook.com/MissingPeopleCanada?fref=ts

Good point.

However, is the decision to have a presser also dictated by media interest? If LE found that the media demand for information was overwhelming, would they conduct a presser to address that, to manage any misinformation due to speculation? Sadly, the public and the media are generally more interested in cases involving more attractive (as well as white and at least middle-class) people, and these cases tend to be more sensationalized than others. For minorities and the mentally ill who go missing, it's often assumed that their status is the reason they've gone missing, and the public closes the book on them on their own and loses interest quickly---therefore, no presser.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Good point.

However, is the decision to have a presser also dictated by media interest? If LE found that the media demand for information was overwhelming, would they conduct a presser to address that, to manage any misinformation due to speculation? Sadly, the public and the media are generally more interested in cases involving more attractive (as well as white and at least middle-class) people, and these cases tend to be more sensationalized than others. For minorities and the mentally ill who go missing, it's often assumed that their status is the reason they've gone missing, and the public closes the book on them on their own and loses interest quickly---therefore, no presser.

I'd be curious to know if LE bows down to media demands, somehow I think this is doubtful. I don't even think LE would even have a presser if the family demands, I think LE calls the shots otherwise *every* family of a missing person would demand a press conference, no? I don't know, but maybe news.talk would know.

SB's case IMO wasn't hugely sensational (except maybe on websleuths lol) or that high profile, but enough I suppose. I feel like LE might do pressers more if they feel something grave happened but that's just my opinion, hopefully this isn't the case!

 

[evafiore]

I'd be curious to know if LE bows down to media demands, somehow I think this is doubtful. I don't even think LE would even have a presser if the family demands, I think LE calls the shots otherwise *every* family of a missing person would demand a press conference, no? I don't know, but maybe news.talk would know.

SB's case IMO wasn't hugely sensational (except maybe on websleuths lol) or that high profile, but enough I suppose. I feel like LE might do pressers more if they feel something grave happened but that's just my opinion, hopefully this isn't the case!

I can't speak for LE, but if I were receiving incessant inquiries on the status of a missing person from media and the public, I'd prefer to hold a press conference rather than respond to each inquiry individually, which could take much more time and risk inconsistent answers.

This is interesting, possibly off-topic, but maybe not:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/28/california-kidnapping-case-lawyers-defend-woman

 

[tarabull]

I was just browsing the Missing People of Canada's FB page and it's heartbreaking. It's unbelievable how many missing people there are, it's actually mind-blowing.

Now, where are the press conferences for ALL those people? Surely, many of them left of their own will. Sure, for many of them it's out of character. Sure, it's possible many of them suffer substance abuse problems. But still, why no pressers?

I'm starting to think LE especially has pressers when they feel it's highly possible foul play has occurred or is a possibility. If they suspect SB left on her own, they would not have had that presser to resolve a family dispute of someone being disgruntled and leaving their life. Even if SB was mentally ill, look how many hundreds of other mentally ill people go missing (alzheimers, depression sufferers, etc.) and they do not get their families on a podium pleading for help. Just an observation….

Link to FB page for Missing People of Canada:
https://www.facebook.com/MissingPeopleCanada?fref=ts

I`m with you Lala...and not that this matters one ioda.

But...about 2 years ago while in an RCMP detachment in small town AB manually flipping through a clip board full of AB missing person flyers that go back YEARS, I asked an officer his opinion of just exactly where all the missing people go I was surprised by his answer since, like I said it was small town Alberta...

His response was that human trafficking is more common than we realize - FWIW.

Perhaps something else for consideration since LE had reason to believe Shannon may have ended up in Toronto or Vancouver :blushing: ETA: thinking more about her line of work...remembering Model Mayhem...

:moo: :cow: :dunno:

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I`m with you Lala...and not that this matters one ioda.

But...about 2 years ago while in an RCMP detachment in small town AB manually flipping through a clip board full of AB missing person flyers that go back YEARS, I asked an officer his opinion of just exactly where all the missing people go I was surprised by his answer since, like I said it was small town Alberta...

His response was that human trafficking is more common than we realize - FWIW.

Perhaps something else for consideration since LE had reason to believe Shannon may have ended up in Toronto or Vancouver :blushing: ETA: thinking more about her line of work...remembering Model Mayhem...

:moo: :cow: :dunno:

The Fifth Estate just had a segment on human trafficking in Alberta recently.

 

[dotr]

S may have been particularly coveted for HT because of her (possible) familiarity with non-mainstream relationships and practices. imo.

 

[tarabull]

S may have been particularly coveted for HT because of her (possible) familiarity with non-mainstream relationships and practices. imo.

Well said...
Get out of my head dotr!

These thots lend to an understanding of the silence.

 

[Ibiz]

Well, this looks like a tough case with nothing to go on. Hopefully something will change soon.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

S may have been particularly coveted for HT because of her (possible) familiarity with non-mainstream relationships and practices. imo.

Really hard to say, I'd think an illegal ring would prey on more younger, vulnerable types of people. Shannon was close to her family, seems smart, worldly, and headstrong, seemed to enjoy her career so she'd be a tough candidate to me. Would she be worth the trouble, work and risk of getting caught to force into HT when there are more vulnerable, naive, and easy types to prey on? I'm just not sold in this...

I don't consider her sexual preferences that important to the case other than the meeting strangers online aspect which can be dangerous for any gender (Tim Bosma comes to mind). Even just to sell something online can be risky really. I know younger people who are into the free love thing and random hook-ups, and these are normal type people, it's definitely a more common mindset amongst the young and liberal crowd.

This case could still turn into something similar to a JMB scenario...SB could've suffered a freak, random accident going somewhere that night and just hasn't been found yet.

 

[dotr]

The Fifth Estate just had a segment on human trafficking in Alberta recently.

This in the news today..

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...e-human-trafficking-probe-by-police-1.3043787
rbbm.

" From October 2014 to April 2015, the Sex Crimes Human Trafficking Enforcement Team were looking into a Toronto street gang called the Complex Crip Gangsters for what they believed to be a Canada-wide human trafficking network"

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"Police say the accused would recruit women at dance clubs, schools and group homes and force them into sex work. They would also befriend women online, using Facebook and Instagram.

The victims involved ranged in age from 15 to 33 and were from Nova Scotia, Ontario and Alberta. The girls and women were forced to work and turn over the money they earned, and if they did not make enough money, they would be physically beaten and threatened, police say."

 

[tarabull]

Was just about to post the same dotr....

:gthanks:

 

[tarabull]

Police arrest one man, looking for another in human trafficking investigation
April 17, 2015

...Toronto police say a 26-year-old woman was forced into the sex trade industry and taken from the Toronto area to Calgary.

...Police warn there may be more victims.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...-in-human-trafficking-investigation-1.3037471

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Wouldn't LE trace her online activity back to one of these HT rings? They have a dedicated unit for this and child I think don't they? Wouldn't LE know the players in these organized crime gangs? I guess I just don't think they would've done a presser if they suspected this angle, JMO. I could be way off though!

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Wouldn't LE trace her online activity back to one of these HT rings? They have a dedicated unit for this and child I think don't they? Wouldn't LE know the players in these organized crime gangs? I guess I just don't think they would've done a presser if they suspected this angle, JMO. I could be way off though!

It's unlikely she got caught up in this, but you never know I suppose. There was a lot they didn't tell everyone at the presser. The Vancouver or Toronto theory means someone said or found something to hint that she went there.

 

[tarabull]

FWIW...

Calgary not immune to human trafficking, finds report

Half of the front-line workers contacted by researchers said they've seen human trafficking

March 23, 2012

Read The Report at this link (scroll down): http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-not-immune-to-human-trafficking-finds-report-1.1299413

 

[dotr]

Wouldn't LE trace her online activity back to one of these HT rings? They have a dedicated unit for this and child I think don't they? Wouldn't LE know the players in these organized crime gangs? I guess I just don't think they would've done a presser if they suspected this angle, JMO. I could be way off though!

Although i agree it is not terribly likely that Shannon fell victim to HT, but because of the presser saying info was received suggesting Shannon might be in Toronto or Vancouver, that HT seemed like a possibility. jmo.

 

[dotr]

Just to touch for a minute on the subject of press releases, this recently missing student's family, also stated that she " was not in trouble"..

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Toronto-20-April-2015&p=11715819#post11715819

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...-as-ocad-student-asmaa-bana-goes-missing.html
"You’re not in trouble, please come home,” her family said in a message to Asmaa on Wednesday morning, after Toronto Police issued a press release".