Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

[deugirtni]

They were already holding things back... twice at least in the Q&A portion, the detective said he didn't want to get into the details of the investigation (after being asked again about the credit cards), and then when asked about the things that were left/missing in the home. I'm not saying they were tryin to 'cover anything up', I'm suggesting there is more to this that they are not sharing, and I agree that they are working on something behind the scenes, although the time it is taking is driving me crazy.

Yep. That is what I think... They weren't trying to cover anything up because at that point, there wasn't anything to cover up.

 

[news.talk]

They were already holding things back... twice at least in the Q&A portion, the detective said he didn't want to get into the details of the investigation (after being asked again about the credit cards), and then when asked about the things that were left/missing in the home. I'm not saying they were tryin to 'cover anything up', I'm suggesting there is more to this that they are not sharing, and I agree that they are working on something behind the scenes, although the time it is taking is driving me crazy.

I always hated how they held so much back and how hard it was to drag info out of them during Q&A. IMO, they go into them with a very concise set of what they want to divulge and they rarely stray. Many stations just send camera people because there is not much that requires a reporter. It's not like hard hitting questions can ever change what they are willing to divulge. The same answer is almost always given... "As this is an ongoing investigation, we cannot provide any details on that at this time..." blah, blah, blah..

 

[deugirtni]

Sugar Daddy is possible (for how she is getting by financially), but imho, incredibly unlikely for her. To me, she doesn't seem to be the type to ooze sex appeal and on the lookout for someone to take care of her. She seems to take her career seriously, and enjoy it, etc.

In my experence, I find that younger people often don't think about such formalities as wills and life insurance. (Unless perhaps her parents had taken out a policy on her when she was an infant or something?)

It's been over 3 months ... don't know how, without a source of income, someone could remain missing for that length of time and beyond.

Unrelated to a possible income source for SB, I wonder if she had a Will or life insurance.

 

[news.talk]

Sugar Daddy is possible (for how she is getting by financially), but imho, incredibly unlikely for her. To me, she doesn't seem to be the type to ooze sex appeal and on the lookout for someone to take care of her. She seems to take her career seriously, and enjoy it, etc.

In my experence, I find that younger people often don't think about such formalities as wills and life insurance. (Unless perhaps her parents had taken out a policy on her when she was an infant or something?)

I agree. It would be pretty hard in this day and age to go completely off the grid... Especially in her type of career. She would not be able to work in that field AT ALL because the Canada stage and film scene is a really tight community, IMO.

 

[LoisLane]

There is *something* different about those last posts... Can't put my finger on it. I feel like they were made by someone else.

When I consider that someone else could have made those last posts I wonder if her phone was hacked as a playful joke by a friend (the funzies post specifically) or if it was by JB in a way to pick a fight or did he post it after he murdered her?

 

[news.talk]

When I consider that someone else could have made those last posts I wonder if her phone was hacked as a playful joke by a friend (the funzies post specifically) or if it was by JB in a way to pick a fight or did he post it after he murdered her?

I surmised upthread that it was JB in an effort to change the timeline, making it appear like she made it back from Edmonton, when in fact she didn't... What if he was the one who drove her due to her car issues? Her cell *was* found at the home - which to me is really weird for a twenty something. He would just have to open up the app and not require a password.

 

[deugirtni]

Hmmm.. your post has just sparked a thought... okay try this on for size..

I was thinking.. and my mind is now going wild.. this possible scenario, what do y'all think?:

-who knows when, or even IF she ever returned to her home in Calgary after her trip to Edmonton where she was last verified to have been seen
-Mr.Perp does away with her at some point between when she was last seen in Edmonton, and 9-10pm Nov 26th
-Mr.Perp keeps the phone, and obviously also has access to everything else that she owned, including bank cards/credit cards
-Mr.Perp gets home at 9 or 10pm and drops off in SB's bedroom, her bag that she had, or something.. to prove that she returned home
-Mr.Perp makes a couple of FB posts, and perhaps other private msgs/txts from SB's phone around 9-10pm - a regret at missing something she had never signed up for.. a romantic entry.. responds to any texts/msgs that SB may have had sitting there waiting for a reply..
-Mr.Perp goes to a couple of places and buys something, or gets a cash advance on SB's credit card, or otherwise uses her bank card in person, sometime before texting himself or calling himself
-Mr.Perp takes SB's phone just before 12;30am and texts himself to say 'hmm, think I'm going to take off to Vancouver', or.. 'I'm done here, I'm leaving', or calls himself from her phone to say same thing
-Mr.Perp goes on with life as usual, either living at home, or staying somewhere else.. until finally the family notices her missing and calls him at work on Monday, December 1st to ask if she is at home
-Mr.Perp races home (yes, sarcasm) after work on that day to go to their shared home, where he finds the phone, puts his hands all over it, and lets the family know she isn't home but her phone is still there, and look, see? It says she called me/txtd me just before 12;30am when she told me she was 'leaving'.. which is just before I heard the door slam behind her when she left
-LE are confused, because family is telling them it is highly unlikely she would leave and not be in touch with her family and many friends, and they believe them, however she had told her ex that she was leaving
-Family puts up posters where she supposedly spent money last;
-Family and LE do a press conference to appeal to anyone who may have seen her after 12;30am Nov 27th
-SB's sister reports that even though they were going through a messy divorce, they still got along quite well.. but SB may have been in distress (because Mr.Perp told them that SB told him she was leaving, and look, it can be proven because here is the phone with her final text on it still, and that is just not LIKE her, so she could have been in distress when she left)

(or... change it up so that the card(s) was used sometime AFTER 12;30am instead of before....

Could she have arrived home shortly before sending the text about being too late for Yuk Yuks? She posted about "funzies" at 10:06. She was last seen at 12:30AM, 2.5 hours later. It's a 2.5-3 hour drive, depending on the driving conditions and speed, so conceivably she could have left at 6, arrived home at 9, cancelled her evening plans, posted about funzies on Facebook an hour later, and then about 2.5 hours later vanished.

 

[news.talk]

Hmmm.. your post has just sparked a thought... okay try this on for size..

I was thinking.. and my mind is now going wild.. this possible scenario, what do y'all think?:

-who knows when, or even IF she ever returned to her home in Calgary after her trip to Edmonton where she was last verified to have been seen
-Mr.Perp does away with her at some point between when she was last seen in Edmonton, and 9-10pm Nov 26th
-Mr.Perp keeps the phone, and obviously also has access to everything else that she owned, including bank cards/credit cards
-Mr.Perp gets home at 9 or 10pm and drops off in SB's bedroom, her bag that she had, or something.. to prove that she returned home
-Mr.Perp makes a couple of FB posts, and perhaps other private msgs/txts from SB's phone around 9-10pm - a regret at missing something she had never signed up for.. a romantic entry.. responds to any texts/msgs that SB may have had sitting there waiting for a reply..
-Mr.Perp goes to a couple of places and buys something, or gets a cash advance on SB's credit card, or otherwise uses her bank card in person, sometime before texting himself or calling himself
-Mr.Perp takes SB's phone just before 12;30am and texts himself to say 'hmm, think I'm going to take off to Vancouver', or.. 'I'm done here, I'm leaving', or calls himself from her phone to say same thing
-Mr.Perp goes on with life as usual, either living at home, or staying somewhere else.. until finally the family notices her missing and calls him at work on Monday, December 1st to ask if she is at home
-Mr.Perp races home (yes, sarcasm) after work on that day to go to their shared home, where he finds the phone, puts his hands all over it, and lets the family know she isn't home but her phone is still there, and look, see? It says she called me/txtd me just before 12;30am when she told me she was 'leaving'.. which is just before I heard the door slam behind her when she left
-LE are confused, because family is telling them it is highly unlikely she would leave and not be in touch with her family and many friends, and they believe them, however she had told her ex that she was leaving
-Family puts up posters where she supposedly spent money last;
-Family and LE do a press conference to appeal to anyone who may have seen her after 12;30am Nov 27th
-SB's sister reports that even though they were going through a messy divorce, they still got along quite well.. but SB may have been in distress (because Mr.Perp told them that SB told him she was leaving, and look, it can be proven because here is the phone with her final text on it still, and that is just not LIKE her, so she could have been in distress when she left)

(or... change it up so that the card(s) was used sometime AFTER 12;30am instead of before....

Couldn't agree more! Stop sharing my brain! [emoji12]

I feel like the reason it has been so quiet on the family and LE front, is they are working a 'suspect' - The 'officially' seen on the 26th also makes me think they are seriously looking at JB. There is a lot of places between Edmonton and Calgary where a body could go unnoticed... A lot!

 

[deugirtni]

For sure they would be carbon copies of one another.... up until the time when the reporters ask their questions, and the answers and tone and body language of the detective gives the answers. The answers would be unique for each case, depending on the facts. I just find after looking back that there seems to be avoidance in answering specifically to an important question, and also.. some tone/body language things when talking about medical, financial, and what was left in the house. Thankfully these detectives seem to be on the ball, and hopefully they will have answers eventually. I think that may not happen until SB's body is found though. MOO

I have been to a TON of these pressers, and almost every missing person one is almost a carbon copy of the other's. They are often the first step in obtaining "public information" from knowing some of the Detective's and how they work. JMO.

 

[news.talk]

For sure they would be carbon copies of one another.... up until the time when the reporters ask their questions, and the answers and tone and body language of the detective gives the answers. The answers would be unique for each case, depending on the facts. I just find after looking back that there seems to be avoidance in answering specifically to an important question, and also.. some tone/body language things when talking about medical, financial, and what was left in the house. Thankfully these detectives seem to be on the ball, and hopefully they will have answers eventually. I think that may not happen until SB's body is found though. MOO

For sure... They always seem nervous to me but I am no body language expert. Most of them just hate Q&A. It's worth considering - As you said, how they act when asked certain questions could tell more than 'what' they say.

 

[deugirtni]

Yes agreed... but if the detective was willing to say so specifically, after being pressed a few times, that NO, there has not been any online or electronic financial transactions, but yet he wasn't willing to go all the way to say that NO, there has not been ANY financial transactions.. that doesnt' make sense unless there is perhaps a reason. I'm sure that everyone (public/media) would be perfectly fine with it if LE had said instead, 'we're looking into that now' (in code for, we haven't had time yet, but we're going to obviously be working on that).. but instead.. after being pressed on it.. he answered the question, but left the real-life part out. So .. if he had decided beforehand what he was going to divulge, he blew it, because he divulged some, but not all, which leads me to suspect there may have been a different answer for the real-life part.

I always hated how they held so much back and how hard it was to drag info out of them during Q&A. IMO, they go into them with a very concise set of what they want to divulge and they rarely stray. Many stations just send camera people because there is not much that requires a reporter. It's not like hard hitting questions can ever change what they are willing to divulge. The same answer is almost always given... "As this is an ongoing investigation, we cannot provide any details on that at this time..." blah, blah, blah..

 

[Sillybilly]

In my experence, I find that younger people often don't think about such formalities as wills and life insurance. (Unless perhaps her parents had taken out a policy on her when she was an infant or something?)

<rsbm>

Pretty much where I was going with that thought ... most young folks don't think about it, so I would be interested if this particular recently married couple, sans kids, had done so and who would benefit.

 

[tarabull]

Do you suppose LE spoke to PM who commented under this story, since he claims to know exactly what was meant when the post was made on SB's fb before she vanished about Angeus/Funzies/Alliance...??? He does seem to direct people to completely disregard her post. (Yup, nothing to see here folks...move along.)

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/police-search-for-calgary-woman-who-disappeared-a-week-ago

 

[deugirtni]

We have to figure out where the perp could have left her. Why hasnt' she been found yet?

Also... assuming that LE is 'on to' someone, and digging and watching.. they would not share their suspicions with family? They would just let the family go on thinking that yes, he's an ok guy!

 

[deugirtni]

Ah, I see where you're going with that. My guess is that she wouldn't have had any life insurance (poor struggling actress) unless she had some kind of job that offered life insurance as part of the benefit plan.. which I don't see any indication that she had a job currently.. and if she did, it would be awfully difficult to coordinate her job with impromtu auditions, etc? Her acting career would make it really hard to hold down a 'regular' job of any sort.

<rsbm>

Pretty much where I was going with that thought ... most young folks don't think about, so I would be interested if this particular recently married couple, sans kids, had done so and who would benefit.

 

[deugirtni]

I don't think so, MOO. That last post did make sense, and he is correct. The part some of us are more wondering about is, did she post it or did someone with access to her phone post it after her demise to make it look like she posted it.... in reply to the fellow above her FB post. It would have been too weird if she had not responded at all to him.. and to make the timelines right,....... the imagination runs wild..

Do you suppose LE spoke to PM who commented under this story, since he claims to know exactly what was meant when the post was made on SB's fb before she vanished about Angeus/Funzies/Alliance...??? He does seem to direct people to completely disregard her post. (Yup, nothing to see here folks...move along.)

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/police-search-for-calgary-woman-who-disappeared-a-week-ago

 

[Sillybilly]

Yes agreed... but if the detective was willing to say so specifically, after being pressed a few times, that NO, there has not been any online or electronic financial transactions, but yet he wasn't willing to go all the way to say that NO, there has not been ANY financial transactions.. that doesnt' make sense unless there is perhaps a reason.

<rsbm>

IMO, debit/credit card or ATM transactions constitute electronic transactions. The only transactions other than online or electronic would be in-person. They may not have had a chance to determine if there had been transactions at a bank or possible cheques written which hadn't cleared yet (both not likely in this day and age with accessibility to cards).

ETA: To clarify, I classify a person in a store, making a purchase with a debit/credit card, as an electronic transaction. Maybe I'm just wrong

 

[deugirtni]

Was she considered by her sister to possibly be in distress because of something her ex husband told the family, perhaps something like, 'she texted me right before she 'left' at 12;30am to say she was leaving' ?

BBM

She skipped her weekend rehearsals and engagements, and was last seen in her Inglewood apartment on Wednesday. Burgess is undergoing a messy divorce, and her sister Erin Madill said Burgess may be in distress.
http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/1230298/calgary-woman-last-seen-a-week-ago-family-said-its-not-like-her-to-dissappear/

Where did the family state that she was upset about something?

 

[Sillybilly]

Do you suppose LE spoke to PM who commented under this story, since he claims to know exactly what was meant when the post was made on SB's fb before she vanished about Angeus/Funzies/Alliance...??? He does seem to direct people to completely disregard her post. (Yup, nothing to see here folks...move along.)

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/police-search-for-calgary-woman-who-disappeared-a-week-ago

Is all of NEB involved in LARP?

FWIW, he has SB and her Shanswer nsfw account, and JB on his FB friends list.

 

[deugirtni]

If you go to a cash machine.. say in a 7/11 store.. would you consider that an electronic transaction? I guess officially they really ALL are electronic, even paying for a drink in a bar using your debit/credit card... so I guess you could be right about that distinction.. to me, when I use that word or hear that word (electronic), I'm thinking electronically not-in-person, as opposed to 'using card in person to do an electronic transaction'. More interpretation issues for sure!

<rsbm>

IMO, debit/credit card or ATM transactions constitute electronic transactions. The only transactions other than online or electronic would be in-person. They may not have had a chance to determine if there had been transactions at a bank or possible cheques written which hadn't cleared yet (both not likely in this day and age with accessibility to cards).