Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I don't think the lifestyle is really a big deal considering what's in movies (50 Shades was a box office smash), TV and the net these days.

The persecution days are outdated nowadays with lifestyle choices, people are much more open minded with people's choices. They might not agree, but for her age group it's not shocking stuff. Maybe a bit embarrassing, cringe worthy for the family to know, but I don't think that would embarrass her and keep her a way. I picture Shannon throwing her head back, laughing and saying charmingly 'oh my, you all are a nosy bunch' or something funny and witty like that, having a laugh and might even like the ruckus a little.

If your sister were missing, how comfortable would you be answering questions of if she was part of a sex club? Have the police questioned the other members of her inner circle of sexual partners? Did they meet once a week or was there any formal gatherings? Were there any satanic rituals associated with any of this?

As well, once personal information gets out like that, good luck living it down. How can she apply for a regular job? Expect the "sleazy boss" to be very interested after Googling the sordid details. If you were hiring her for a daycare job... would you? What if parents found out? Do you take that risk with your business?

How much does this sort of publicity negate the acting work?

Should she eventually make her way back, I would expect a name change.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Being on the outside of the real story, the real relationships, the real people... you can only go on assumptions. Being on a sleuthing site, everyone wants to solve the crime, and look at everything from that angle first, sometimes forsaking the realities of real life.

Every statement from loved ones also has to be taken with a grain of salt... don't you find it strange that everyone that goes missing is a saint? Would anyone close to them really admit they just argued with them the week leading up to the disappearance? Would they admit they weren't all that tight growing up? There are a lot of selective statements... some to protect the speaker, some to keep the public from dismissing the missing person as a flake, and some to protect the reputation or image of the missing person.

I'm all for solving the crime, but sometimes appearances and evidence are proof of nothing more than a real person living their life.

So true, obits often make some of worst people sound saintly! I think people are optimists for most things, until they're told otherwise and even when told otherwise, sometimes still don't believe what they're told.

Being a family member of a lost one has to torture and maddening. So many unknowns, just awful.

 

[news.talk]

If your sister were missing, how comfortable would you be answering questions of if she was part of a sex club? Have the police questioned the other members of her inner circle of sexual partners? Did they meet once a week or was there any formal gatherings? Were there any satanic rituals associated with any of this?

As well, once personal information gets out like that, good luck living it down. How can she apply for a regular job? Expect the "sleazy boss" to be very interested after Googling the sordid details. If you were hiring her for a daycare job... would you? What if parents found out? Do you take that risk with your business?

How much does this sort of publicity negate the acting work?

Should she eventually make her way back, I would expect a name change.

If my loved one was missing, I would be more concerned about their safety and getting them home, not if they can apply for a daycare job once they do. I would be more than willing to answer ANY question if I thought it might help.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

If my loved one was missing, I would be more concerned about their safety and getting them home, not if they can apply for a daycare job once they do. I would be more than willing to answer ANY question if I thought it might help.

What if you knew she was flaky enough to run away, or had done so in the past? Does that dull your passion? Does her reputation, and future not then come into play? How much does that hesitate the idealism?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

If my loved one was missing, I would be more concerned about their safety and getting them home, not if they can apply for a daycare job once they do. I would be more than willing to answer ANY question if I thought it might help.

If you knew she was in this lifestyle, why didn't you do something sooner? Was the family not involved enough to be able to stop her? Did you also engage in her inner circle of sexual fantasy?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

If your sister were missing, how comfortable would you be answering questions of if she was part of a sex club? Have the police questioned the other members of her inner circle of sexual partners? Did they meet once a week or was there any formal gatherings? Were there any satanic rituals associated with any of this?

As well, once personal information gets out like that, good luck living it down. How can she apply for a regular job? Expect the "sleazy boss" to be very interested after Googling the sordid details. If you were hiring her for a daycare job... would you? What if parents found out? Do you take that risk with your business?

How much does this sort of publicity negate the acting work?

Should she eventually make her way back, I would expect a name change.

It would bother anyone to answer these things about a family member, definitely. Rumors and exaggerations spin which adds fuel to the fire and half truths and lies. But people are just people and this shouldn't define them, but sadly, most people are judged regardless.

Like the college girls who dabble in or cell phone videos, any sexual past is hard to bury for good with the internet. So scary and a big gamble to do these days.

There's a lot of seediness, immoral and unethical behavior in the movie and modeling biz, there's a lot of dog eat dog and no moral couth. A lot of girls get flown by their agents to overseas countries to do lots of things they hope won't affect their upcoming film careers, and I'm sure there are lots of dirty secrets being kept all around.

But for all we know, maybe SB and JB posted those OKCupid profiles half jokingly, maybe they never met or got any dates or actually went through with anything. Maybe they were researching a lifestyle and writing a script, we actually don't know for sure they were full on practicing this lifestyle. Maybe there was a little experimentation that happened (time of Reddit posts) and that was all.

Yeah, all we can do is assume and speculate, LE will probably know what really happened. It'll be interesting to see if their lifestyle plays a part in this whole thing.

 

[news.talk]

What if you knew she was flaky enough to run away, or had done so in the past? Does that dull your passion? Does her reputation, and future not then come into play? How much does that hesitate the idealism?

Considering that the Police would not have initiated this level of response *unless* there was cause for concern, it would not dull my passion, no. Given the length of time she has been gone, the lack of bank activity, and all the other factors, I would be MORE than willing to risk her reputation to ensure her safety. Quite frankly, what we have discovered about her lifestyle isn't that shocking or potentially embarrassing... If it was, she wouldn't have her own pictures attached to the sites we are referring too. Even if she hadn't disappeared, I am sure a 25 year old knows that potential employers could find the information. Clearly she wasn't that concerned about her "lifestyle" and the public perception as a result.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Considering that the Police would not have initiated this level of response *unless* there was cause for concern, it would not dull my passion, no. Given the length of time she has been gone, the lack of bank activity, and all the other factors, I would be MORE than willing to risk her reputation to ensure her safety. Quite frankly, what we have discovered about her lifestyle isn't that shocking or potentially embarrassing... If it was, she wouldn't have her own pictures attached to the sites we are referring too. Even if she hadn't disappeared, I am sure a 25 year old knows that potential employers could find the information. Clearly she wasn't that concerned about her "lifestyle" and the public perception as a result.

My ex, the former stripper, was hired for all kinds of things she wasn't qualified for in the real world. She had no relevant work experience on her resume... the difference between not hired and hired was emailing the resume, and hand delivering the resume. Lechery is everywhere. This sort of online presence will complicate your life... make no mistake about it.

Look at how much more attention the young and attractive missing get from the public.

It is amazing how many people aren't aware you can use pictures for internet searches as well. What once was a dirty little pleasure can now link you to anywhere else you used those pictures.

I have to refer back to the Liknes / O'Brien case where even in the face of blood evidence and firm proof of foul play, LE did not allow the family to give up hope until enough proof came forward to confirm death. I have a hard time believing they would say anything to the family in fear of it getting back to any suspects.

The lack of family effort can be interpreted as waiting... waiting for her to come back because they think she is off somewhere, or waiting for LE to lay charges. We don't know what was found since the press conference. If there were messages between her and men from Vancouver or Toronto on a dating site or on her phone... indicating they should meet or that she'd like to run away... then LE keeps an investigation open, but the family doesn't necessarily give it their all.

Is it always a crime when someone attractive and young goes missing?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

My ex, the former stripper, was hired for all kinds of things she wasn't qualified for in the real world. She had no relevant work experience on her resume... the difference between not hired and hired was emailing the resume, and hand delivering the resume. Lechery is everywhere. This sort of online presence will complicate your life... make no mistake about it.

Look at how much more attention the young and attractive missing get from the public.

It is amazing how many people aren't aware you can use pictures for internet searches as well. What once was a dirty little pleasure can now link you to anywhere else you used those pictures.

I have to refer back to the Liknes / O'Brien case where even in the face of blood evidence and firm proof of foul play, LE did not allow the family to give up hope until enough proof came forward to confirm death. I have a hard time believing they would say anything to the family in fear of it getting back to any suspects.

The lack of family effort can be interpreted as waiting... waiting for her to come back because they think she is off somewhere, or waiting for LE to lay charges. We don't know what was found since the press conference. If there were messages between her and men from Vancouver or Toronto on a dating site or on her phone... indicating they should meet or that she'd like to run away... then LE keeps an investigation open, but the family doesn't necessarily give it their all.

Is it always a crime when someone attractive and young goes missing?

Agreed. It's a beautiful world and a brutal one.

 

[Leischa]

Makes you wonder... who would actually CALL a phone number listed on such a note in such a place by such a stranger??

And yes, it does remind of the Fish Creek photos.. but according to SB's sister.. they were 'happy' pics, not 'macabre' as was reported in MSM. I'm still betting on 'macabre' myself. MOO

I asked myself the same question!! I certainly wouldn't call..!!

And about the photos found at Fish Creek, I, too, doubt that they were "happy" pics.

 

[Leischa]

How come there is no follow-up from LE on this case? Or from the family. There is nothing. The last updates on Shannon's case are from Dec. 18.

To those of you who live in or near Calgary, are there posters of her anywhere?

 

[Sillybilly]

How come there is no follow-up from LE on this case? Or from the family. There is nothing. The last updates on Shannon's case are from Dec. 18.

To those of you who live in or near Calgary, are there posters of her anywhere?

Can anyone re-find where, when asked a month or so ago if SB was still considered a missing person, CPS stated to the effect that, yes she was, or yes the case was still open? I can't remember where it was (FB or Twitter?). Just wondering if there have been subsequent questions and answers from CPS in that regard.

In reading recently on the Jessica Newman case, i saw CPS state a couple of times that when a missing person is located, their information is removed from the CPS media accounts.

 

[deugirtni]

I noticed with that Myranda Stratuliak case, she was found.. but I can't find it on the police FB pages, etc.. but I was still able to find links to other things to say she'd been found. It was on the CPS FB page I believe, where it said Shannon was still missing. I haven't looked recently, but I'll check it out later today unless someone else has time before then.

 

[cansleuther]

Can anyone re-find where, when asked a month or so ago if SB was still considered a missing person, CPS stated to the effect that, yes she was, or yes the case was still open? I can't remember where it was (FB or Twitter?). Just wondering if there have been subsequent questions and answers from CPS in that regard.

In reading recently on the Jessica Newman case, i saw CPS state a couple of times that when a missing person is located, their information is removed from the CPS media accounts.

There is one question about SB with an answer from LE that she is still missing on the CPS FB from February 10. No subsequent questions or answers.

https://www.facebook.com/CalgaryPolice/posts/10153058851399530

 

[cansleuther]

To those of you who live in or near Calgary, are there posters of her anywhere?

Not posters, per se, but Feminism Calgary posted four pictures of SB with the details of her case between December 20 and December 29 - and then never again.

 

[deugirtni]

How on earth did you find that? Even now that you have given the date of the post, I still can't locate that post on the CPS FB page? So confusing!

There is one question about SB with an answer from LE that she is still missing on the CPS FB from February 10. No subsequent questions or answers.

https://www.facebook.com/CalgaryPolice/posts/10153058851399530

 

[cansleuther]

How on earth did you find that? Even now that you have given the date of the post, I still can't locate that post on the CPS FB page? So confusing!

It's under the 'Posts to Page' section in the sidebar to the left. Click on where it says 'Posts to Page' and then scroll down.

 

[Satchie]

I've been following this thread, the Liknes/O'Brien thread, Emma Fillipoff, and the Justin Mckinnon-Blomme thread.

I'm curious to look up the stats as to how many missing people cases are actually cases of people leaving willingly with and without mental health issues. It just seems bizarre that most of these cases almost *seem* like all these people could have consciously left their lives for new starts, even though I fear the stats might say otherwise.

Just as a personal experience, my brother disappeared many years ago, when he was about 18 (I was much younger). In that case, he took most of his stuff with him, leaving behind just some bulky sports equipment in his rental, so everybody in my family just assumed (correctly) that he did it to get away from the family. There had been a lot of pressure on him to conform in terms of job/school and he was openly disgruntled about that, so it made sense he might just decide to leave. My parents didn't even report him missing to police - but people didn't do it so much in those days. The reaction from everyone in that older generation was to get even more mad at him for upsetting his parents.

I think in cases where a person disappears without any of their belongings, and there's been no situation where someone really might want to get away from other's interference, it's a big red flag that it's not voluntary/fresh start.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Just as a personal experience, my brother disappeared many years ago, when he was about 18 (I was much younger). In that case, he took most of his stuff with him, leaving behind just some bulky sports equipment in his rental, so everybody in my family just assumed (correctly) that he did it to get away from the family. There had been a lot of pressure on him to conform in terms of job/school and he was openly disgruntled about that, so it made sense he might just decide to leave. My parents didn't even report him missing to police - but people didn't do it so much in those days. The reaction from everyone in that older generation was to get even more mad at him for upsetting his parents.

I think in cases where a person disappears without any of their belongings, and there's been no situation where someone really might want to get away from other's interference, it's a big red flag that it's not voluntary/fresh start.

Again... tough call.

Is there a process for utilities, governments, banks and credit unions to notify LE if a person listed as "missing" suddenly starts working somewhere, gets internet or a phone, or opens a new bank account?

Have a look around the internet. There is no shortage of sugar daddy sites, and no shortage of men willing to look after a young naive woman 100%.

If you don't have massive investments, or a lot of sentimentality toward your possessions... then picking up and leaving it all behind without being bothered by anyone from your past is relatively easy. You never know how much mental illness plays a part, as well as the drama and attention seeking in being "missing". Perhaps there is even a punishment element toward those left behind. There are many different reasons for someone to do this willingly.

If, for example, there are 3000 reported missing persons in a year, but only 30 murders that year... that's a lot of other reasons for "out of character" behaviour.

 

[Leischa]

Not posters, per se, but Feminism Calgary posted four pictures of SB with the details of her case between December 20 and December 29 - and then never again.

Thanks for the answers.