Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

[debsy99]

Interesting. Did they say why?

No but I suspect the same reason why it's silent over there... they are not looking for her for a reason. I have my theory.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I asked they said no.

Wow, you have guts! Thanks for asking Very, very interesting response. What I'm the world is going on here? Not a good sign in my opinion...

 

[Lalalacasbah]

No but I suspect the same reason why it's silent over there... they are not looking for her for a reason. I have my theory.

Will you share your theory? Curious everyone's actually!

 

[debsy99]

Will you share your theory? Curious everyone's actually!

I've said it before. But I believe the husband did it and they feel the same so not much reason to look for her. While everyone waits for LE to build his case and one day makes an arrest. Most people slip up eventually. People don't just walk away at 12:30 am to go somewhere but who knows where and takes their keys but not their car or their cell phone. Nothing else has even had an inkling of panning out.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I've said it before. But I believe the husband did it and they feel the same so not much reason to look for her. While everyone waits for LE to build his case and one day makes an arrest. Most people slip up eventually. People don't just walk away at 12:30 am to go somewhere but who knows where and takes their keys but not their car or their cell phone. Nothing else has even had an inkling of panning out.

Do we actually know she stepped out the door at 12:30? I haven't seen anyone claim that is how she was last seen. I have only read last seen at that time, at the home.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Someone asked CPS if she's still missing over a month ago... no response.

https://m.facebook.com/CalgaryPolice/posts/10153005023044530

If the family asked LE for privacy and is hoping it all just goes away because they know where she is... what does that look like?

 

[news.talk]

Someone asked CPS if she's still missing over a month ago... no response.

https://m.facebook.com/CalgaryPolice/posts/10153005023044530

If the family asked LE for privacy and is hoping it all just goes away because they know where she is... what does that look like?

LE still will post an updated release stating that she is found and there will be no further information provided.

 

[evafiore]

I've said it before. But I believe the husband did it and they feel the same so not much reason to look for her. While everyone waits for LE to build his case and one day makes an arrest. Most people slip up eventually. People don't just walk away at 12:30 am to go somewhere but who knows where and takes their keys but not their car or their cell phone. Nothing else has even had an inkling of panning out.

Could be. Though silence could also be due to some indication that this was voluntary.

Back to our rut I guess.

 

[evafiore]

LE still will post an updated release stating that she is found and there will be no further information provided.

We can only hope they would (it's not required---in many cases these releases are due to the persistence of the press to cover an interesting story. No interest, maybe no release).

Also, what would LE do if she hasn't been found, though there's strong indication she's done this voluntarily?

 

[debsy99]

Do we actually know she stepped out the door at 12:30? I haven't seen anyone claim that is how she was last seen. I have only read last seen at that time, at the home.

That's what JB originally claimed.

 

[news.talk]

I would hope they would. But if she hasn't been found, though there's strong indication she's done this voluntarily? What would LE do then?

They still have to investigate every case on the presumption that it wasn't voluntary. Given the high number of missing cases in Calgary, LE only seeks out public assistance for the cases of vulnerable persons and uncharacteristic disappearances. When they do a public release with a press conference, it can be assumed that it is because the family does *not* believe it is voluntary, and because they have reason to believe the MP may be vulnerable. These cases generate thousands of tips equating to countless man-hours for both non-emergency communication personnel and also for Investigators that have to follow-up on each lead. The more exposure a case receives, the more man-hours. They don't create additional work for themselves that equate to higher costs, unless they have reason to believe it is necessary.

 

[evafiore]

That's what JB originally claimed.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he ever claimed that (that she stepped out the door). It was reported that she was last seen at the home by a family member at 12:30am.

 

[debsy99]

We can only hope they would (it's not required---in many cases these releases are due to the persistence of the press to cover an interesting story. No interest, maybe no release).

Also, what would LE do if she hasn't been found, though there's strong indication she's done this voluntarily?

News.talk is right. Also I have a connection to the family and they still have no idea where she is. No updates from LE. Nothing. Also the people in the groups she was in out in the world are looking for her. And have oddly shown more public interest than the family. CPS has a history of leaving cases a missing persons case with no leads supposedly while they build their murder case. With something like that they have to have a solid case when they do pounce. Lisa Mitchell was considered a missing person with no leads for 2 years then one day while her kids were at school they descended on the house and found her body inside. I wish that in every missing persons case they could automatically search the house with a K-9.

 

[evafiore]

They still have to investigate every case on the presumption that it wasn't voluntary. Given the high number of missing cases in Calgary, LE only seeks out public assistance for the cases of vulnerable persons and uncharacteristic disappearances. When they do a public release with a press conference, it can be assumed that it is because the family does *not* believe it is voluntary, and because they have reason to believe the MP may be vulnerable. These cases generate thousands of tips equating to countless man-hours for both non-emergency communication personnel and also for Investigators that have to follow-up on each lead. The more exposure a case receives, the more man-hours. They don't create additional work for themselves that equate to higher costs, unless they have reason to believe it is necessary.

I fully agree with that. But the sudden change of direction tells me that they may have discovered something, after the presser, that indicates she's left voluntarily.

Just a hunch. I also think it's possible she's run into foul play.

 

[debsy99]

What do you mean change of direction?

 

[evafiore]

News.talk is right. Also I have a connection to the family and they still have no idea where she is. No updates from LE. Nothing. Also the people in the groups she was in out in the world are looking for her. And have oddly shown more public interest than the family. CPS has a history of leaving cases a missing persons case with no leads supposedly while they build their murder case. With something like that they have to have a solid case when they do pounce. Lisa Mitchell was considered a missing person with no leads for 2 years then one day while her kids were at school they descended on the house and found her body inside. I wish that in every missing persons case they could automatically search the house with a K-9.

Yes...but....

Bad news sells. No one remembers the cases that were resolved without being reported because they weren't reported. I'd be hesitant to construct a history of CPS's actions based on what I remember being reported. I agree that it's possible they're building up a case but I think it's just as likely they believe that this was voluntary.

 

[evafiore]

What do you mean change of direction?

Presser, lots of media coverage, Facebook posts...then nothing.

 

[news.talk]

I fully agree with that. But the sudden change of direction tells me that they may have discovered something, after the presser, that indicates she's left voluntarily.

Just a hunch. I also think it's possible she's run into foul play.

If there is no information to update, then they don't release anything. If she left voluntarily, it would be easier to locate her. They still have to investigate every lead on the presumption of an involuntary disappearance. As long as it is an open case, they have protocols to follow as to what they are required to do, even when a case seems to have gone cold. They don't just put the file away in a drawer and wait for a lead.

 

[news.talk]

Yes...but....

No one remembers the cases that were resolved without being reported because they weren't reported. I'd be hesitant to construct a history of CPS's actions based on what I remember being reported. I agree that it's possible they're building up a case but I think it's just as likely they believe that this was voluntary.

I once did a comparison check on missing persons releases vs. found releases - They matched equally.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

If there is no information to update, then they don't release anything. If she left voluntarily, it would be easier to locate her. They still have to investigate every lead on the presumption of an involuntary disappearance. As long as it is an open case, they have protocols to follow as to what they are required to do, even when a case seems to have gone cold. They don't just put the file away in a drawer and wait for a lead.

Yes... but just like the Orsolya Baunok case... release info to the public... no clamour from friends and family... then found. Kids involved... everything.