Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I once did a comparison check on missing persons releases vs. found releases - They matched equally.

I think what she is trying to say is that there is also the possibility, for example, an email was found indicating she may have bolted. She is "technically" not found yet, but the passion to look has diminished significantly.

 

[debsy99]

Yes...but....

Bad news sells. No one remembers the cases that were resolved without being reported because they weren't reported. I'd be hesitant to construct a history of CPS's actions based on what I remember being reported. I agree that it's possible they're building up a case but I think it's just as likely they believe that this was voluntary.

CPS gets 20-30 missing persons calls a day. We don't hear about them all obviously. What I'm saying though is if they have released to the media or on their page someone is missing they always say "was found safe, no further information will be provided." if they know they left voluntarily.

 

[debsy99]

Yes... but just like the Orsolya Baunok case... release info to the public... no clamour from friends and family... then found. Kids involved... everything.

I will have to read up on that case.

 

[evafiore]

I once did a comparison check on missing persons releases vs. found releases - They matched equally.

Not too sure about that. This was discussed in this thread before...privacy issues come into play. It's not a crime to disappear.

There was a case I came across in Guelph, Ontario (or a UofG student from Waterloo?) earlier this year, of a person reported missing, and then they returned to social media like nothing happened. No release stating they'd been found. I'll try to dig it up again.

I don't think she's been found, though I do think it's possible that they think she's left on her own terms.

 

[news.talk]

I think what she is trying to say is that there is also the possibility, for example, an email was found indicating she may have bolted. She is "technically" not found yet, but the passion to look has diminished significantly.

I understand, however - If she did leave voluntarily, there is a significantly and statistically higher chance that she would have been found.

 

[debsy99]

Not too sure about that. This was discussed in this thread before...privacy issues come into play. It's not a crime to disappear.

They would not release to the family if she didn't want them to or the public of her whereabouts. They would just say she is found in good health and that's it.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

CPS gets 20-30 missing persons calls a day. We don't hear about them all obviously. What I'm saying though is if they have released to the media or on their page someone is missing they always say "was found safe, no further information will be provided." if they know they left voluntarily.

Two weeks into it, they released she may have gone to Toronto or Vancouver... then nothing. Is it a ruse, or did they find an email?

 

[news.talk]

Not too sure about that. This was discussed in this thread before...privacy issues come into play. It's not a crime to disappear.

No it's not, but if they do a public release, they have strict protocols that mandate that they have to update the release when the case is closed. Privacy is not violated when most of the time it only states that they have been found and no further information will be provided.

 

[news.talk]

Two weeks into it, they released she may have gone to Toronto or Vancouver... then nothing. Is it a ruse, or did they find an email?

Only they know. Lisa Mitchell was also said to have travelled to two other cities. She was found dead in her own home two years later.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

They would not release to the family if she didn't want them to or the public of her whereabouts. They would just say she is found in good health and that's it.

Yes, but unless someone specifically speaks to her, they cannot claim her as found. If every indication is that she bolted to Toronto... then it still remains open... no? Emails can technically be faked.

 

[debsy99]

Two weeks into it, they released she may have gone to Toronto or Vancouver... then nothing. Is it a ruse, or did they find an email?

I felt that was the same as when the Likness and Nathan were spotted in Brooks. At that point LE knew they were not there but let that tip go out there anyways while they gathered enough evidence to search DG's property. Toronto - Vancouver is an extremely broad oh may be here or there.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Only they know. Lisa Mitchell was also said to have travelled to two other cities. She was found murdered in her own home two years later.

How I wish I left the part in about "yes... so and so said this and that in the other case... but..."

 

[debsy99]

Yes, but unless someone specifically speaks to her, they cannot claim her as found. If every indication is that she bolted to Toronto... then it still remains open... no? Emails can technically be faked.

Yes exactly. The police would need to actually speak to her to close it.

 

[news.talk]

How I wish I left the part in about "yes... so and so said this and that in the other case... but..."

If they receive any tip that seems plausible, they have to include that in a release. It would be negligent not to.

 

[evafiore]

No it's not, but if they do a public release, they have strict protocols that mandate that they have to update the release when the case is closed. Privacy is not violated when most of the time it only states that they have been found and no further information will be provided.

Is it though? I think we looked into this and the wording of the Alberta Missing Persons Act indicates that there is no obligation to update the public.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

If they receive any tip that seems plausible, they have to include that in a release. It would be negligent not to.

Or incompetent... I love that debate!

 

[evafiore]

If they receive any tip that seems plausible, they have to include that in a release. It would be negligent not to.

Possibly, though it'd also be negligent to release bad press about someone who is at risk of harming themselves...

The missing person's privacy is more important than satiating the public's curiosity.

 

[news.talk]

Is it though? I think we looked into this and the wording of the Alberta Missing Persons Act indicates that there is no obligation to update the public.

The CPS have always done so for the reasons I mentioned - If they don't update the public that the person has been located, they waste countless man-hours and tie up an overburdened non-emergency line. Communications personnel are not allowed to state whether the case is closed, so they have to fill out a report for every tip that continues to come in. It is a waste of resources.

 

[debsy99]

http://www.calgary.ca/cps/Pages/Com...sources/Crime-prevention/Missing-persons.aspx

What happens during an investigation
If an investigation is opened, it will remain active until the person is located or the investigation determines that the person went missing voluntarily.​
Being missing is not a crime. If a person chooses not communicate with other people the police cannot force communication. Due to privacy issues the police cannot reveal the current location, or contact information for a missing person unless the person provides informed consent.

They would not give any info to the whereabouts if they didn't want anyone to know where they are but the police would still need to locate and speak to the person.

 

[news.talk]

Possibly, though it'd also be negligent to release bad press about someone who is at risk of harming themselves...

I am confused.... How is expanding the search to other cities, bad press? Risk of harming themselves???