GUILTY Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #4 *Arrest*

[otto]

The case was just transferred over *this week* to Homicide. Much like we do here, LE will investigate every possible angle and cast a wide net, in order to avoid tunnel vision. They may have their suspicions but they wouldn't be doing their job's if they took a singular approach. Additionally, I am intimately aware of their procedures and policies. They MUST investigate every angle and often have seperate teams focused on different theories... even when they are confident that they know what happened.

Excellent! Then we are both intimately familiar with criminal investigation procedures and prosecutions ... so it's easy to understand that although the official status of the case transitioned from missing to homicide last week, the case was investigated as a homicide for many months.

 

[news.talk]

Excellent! Then we are both intimately familiar of criminal investigation procedures and prosecutions ... so it's easy to understand that although the official status of the case transitioned from missing to homicide last week, the case was investigated as a homicide for many months.

What I am trying to get accross, is that just like we do here, even when they are confident that they have a suspect, it doesn't mean they stop investigating other angles. They likely had one set of investigators focusing on JB and the homicide theory, while another perused other avenues. They don't just shut down every other possibility based on their feelings. They continue to investigate every angle until one proves to have a preponderance of evidence and an arrest is imminent.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Thankfully police have clarified that Shannon and her husband were married and that they were still living together in their shared home ... that there were no other homes, that neither party was staying with a friend, that a friend was not dog sitting, that neither Josh nor Shannon left home on a work night in the middle of the night to have a sleepover with a friend, and that nothing about Shannon's job, lifestyle, online presence, or acting career had anything to do with her disappearance.

This was nothing more than a straight forward domestic violence incident: spousal homicide.

Personally, I have to say that I'm very thankful that we can finally set aside all wild theories and what ifs in two Calgary cases, and return to looking at facts.

The theories were based on the facts.

 

[otto]

The theories were based on the facts.

There were no facts to support a belief that Shannon's dog was with a friend while she was in Edmonton, that Shannon and her husband were living in separate residences, or that either party was having sleepovers with a friend. It was stated at the beginning, and again now, that they both lived together in their shared home. It was reported that they were separating, but they still lived together.

At the beginning, there was no evidence that Shannon ever left her residence alive. She returned from Edmonton, went home, and then vanished off the face of the earth. That has always been known. Now, police have confirmed what we always knew ... Shannon did not leave her home alive.

All we had to do was set aside the "what ifs" and unfounded theories, and the answer was always right in front of us.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

There were no facts to support a belief that Shannon's dog was with a friend while she was in Edmonton, that Shannon and her husband were living in separate residences, or that either party was having sleepovers with a friend. It was stated at the beginning, and again now, that they both lived together in their shared home. It was reported that they were separating, but they still lived together.

At the beginning, there was no evidence that Shannon ever left her residence alive. She returned from Edmonton, went home, and then vanished off the face of the earth. That has always been known. Now, police have confirmed what we always knew ... Shannon did not leave her home alive.

All we had to do was set aside the "what ifs" and unfounded theories, and the answer was always right in front of us.

But based on that sort of logic, there was no evidence she was murdered at the house. That was all wild theory.

I personally, would like to pat those people on the back who actually took the time to sleuth out all the possibilities, given the facts. Many of the facts, like the Facebook posts, brake issues etc. came as a rusult of refusing to keep their heads in the sand, and actually explore all the possibilities the facts at hand pointed to.

 

[otto]

But based on that sort of logic, there was no evidence she was murdered at the house. That was all wild theory.

I personally, would like to pat those people on the back who actually took the time to sleuth out all the possibilities, given the facts. Many of the facts, like the Facebook posts, brake issues etc. came as a rusult of refusing to keep their heads in the sand, and actually explore all the possibilities the facts at hand pointed to.

Why would it be illogical to look at the facts and nothing more?

There was no evidence that she was murdered at the house other than the facts:

• that she was last seen alive at home at 12:30AM
• that her cell phone was at the shared home for five days and the husband wasn't concerned
• that her car was at home
• that her keys were at home
• that the husband avoided talking to Shannon's family until after he returned home from work after several attempts by the family to contact him and five days after she was last seen
• that the couple were separating
• that there were marital financial problems
• that no one saw Shannon after she arrived at home
• that there was no electronic activity after she arrived at home
• that she missed appointments after she arrived at home
• that she missed a job after she arrived at home
• that the most dangerous time for spousal homicide is during separation and divorce

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Why would it be illogical to look at the facts and nothing more?

There was no evidence that she was murdered at the house other than the facts:

• that she was last seen alive at home at 12:30AM
• that her cell phone was at the shared home for five days and the husband wasn't concerned
• that her car was at home
• that her keys were at home
• that the husband avoided talking to Shannon's family until after he returned home from work after several attempts by the family to contact him and five days after she was last seen
• that the couple were separating
• that there were marital financial problems
• that no one saw Shannon after she arrived at home
• that there was no electronic activity after she arrived at home
• that she missed appointments after she arrived at home
• that she missed a job after she arrived at home
• that the most dangerous time for spousal homicide is during separation and divorce

Where is the evidence she was killed there? No fact, just supposition based on those facts.

Some people are just able to think a bit deeper, and sleuth out all the possibilities based on those facts.

This would be a pretty dull forum if no one sleuthed.

So the odds were that the husband did it. Those who are patting themselves on the back, big deal. The odds were with you. Everyone and their dog always qualified their theories with "The husband probably did it, but based on the facts... this is also a possibility."

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

Wow. Wouldn't the ground have been frozen or at least pretty darn hard in November?.........and none of the other tenants at the co-op they lived in happened to see someone digging in the ground in November? Find that so hard to believe. Wonder if her dog was with her

Same location, but from a different angle.

[video=twitter;617750503645024256]https://twitter.com/CTVAlesia/status/617750503645024256[/video]

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Why would it be illogical to look at the facts and nothing more?

There was no evidence that she was murdered at the house other than the facts:

• that she was last seen alive at home at 12:30AM
• that her cell phone was at the shared home for five days and the husband wasn't concerned
• that her car was at home
• that her keys were at home
• that the husband avoided talking to Shannon's family until after he returned home from work after several attempts by the family to contact him and five days after she was last seen
• that the couple were separating
• that there were marital financial problems
• that no one saw Shannon after she arrived at home
• that there was no electronic activity after she arrived at home
• that she missed appointments after she arrived at home
• that she missed a job after she arrived at home
• that the most dangerous time for spousal homicide is during separation and divorce

I might also point out, all those facts you just kindly listed, were established very early into the investigation, and weren't enough to even get a warrant to seach the house... lol.

So much for "the facts" being so evident and obvious. I personally, am grateful for evolution and that many humans are rising above black and white thinking.

 

[evafiore]

Apparently Shannon and Josh weren't going through a divorce.

calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/murder-charges-laid-in-death-of-missing-calgary-actress-shannon-burgess

"Family spokesman Dustin Milne said he’s recently spent time with Joshua and he disputed reports the couple were separating.

“They were having a little bit of issues with the marriage. But it was just bumps in the road, it wasn’t really anything. They weren’t going through a divorce or anything like that,” he said."

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

Well sure this is all true but if focusing just on the facts was so simple and straightforward than crimes would be solved within days, and websites like Websleuths wouldn't (need to) exist. In any case we, the sleuthers/general public, can only go on what has been released to us, but always knowing full well that there are likely many other facts and details that only LE is aware of. Not sure why the need to refer to our past wonderings as 'wild theories'? What would be the point of this site if we didn't think outside of the box and ask questions that are outside of the box. Not every crime is straightforward or black/white, cut/dry........in fact most aren't.

Thankfully police have clarified that Shannon and her husband were married and that they were still living together in their shared home ... that there were no other homes, that neither party was staying with a friend, that a friend was not dog sitting, that neither Josh nor Shannon left home on a work night in the middle of the night to have a sleepover with a friend, and that nothing about Shannon's job, lifestyle, online presence, or acting career had anything to do with her disappearance.

This was nothing more than a straight forward domestic violence incident: spousal homicide.

Personally, I have to say that I'm very thankful that we can finally set aside all wild theories and what ifs in two Calgary cases, and return to looking at facts.

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

That's very interesting because if you look back through many of the original MSM reports on this case, they all refer to this business about her going through a "messy divorce" and that as a result of same, her sister Erin feared she may be in distress over it:

"She skipped her weekend rehearsals and engagements, and was last seen in her Inglewood apartment on Wednesday. Burgess is undergoing a messy divorce, and her sister Erin Madill said Burgess may be in distress."

So where did that ever come from and why then did family not dispute this in their press conference if not true?

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/12...o-family-said-its-not-like-her-to-dissappear/

Other news articles back in the winter refer to husband as 'estranged husband' so that had to have come from somewhere.

And in this article sister Erin speaks about the family having no animosity toward husband and that he and sister Shannon 'still get along quite well'.....kind of an odd thing to say about a married couple of they'd not been seperated?

Madill says that’s all to be expected, but she does address the rumours Burgess’ estranged husband might be involved in her disappearance.

“We’re friendly with him and there’s no animosity at all — and he and my sister still get along quite well,” said Madill.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/1...areness-to-missing-calgary-womans-case-sister

Apparently Shannon and Josh weren't going through a divorce.

calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/murder-charges-laid-in-death-of-missing-calgary-actress-shannon-burgess

"Family spokesman Dustin Milne said he’s recently spent time with Joshua and he disputed reports the couple were separating.

“They were having a little bit of issues with the marriage. But it was just bumps in the road, it wasn’t really anything. They weren’t going through a divorce or anything like that,” he said."

 

[dennisfedak81]

Then why??? That is the question now. I know investigators are asking this of Josh Burgess. Why did this happen.

Was Shannon killed immediately or was she confined and killed slowly in some way. I suspect the details of her death will eventually become public record. I hope she did not suffer.

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[evafiore]

That's very interesting because if you look back through many of the original MSM reports on this case, they all refer to this business about her going through a "messy divorce" and that as a result of same, her sister Erin feared she may be in distress over it:

"She skipped her weekend rehearsals and engagements, and was last seen in her Inglewood apartment on Wednesday. Burgess is undergoing a messy divorce, and her sister Erin Madill said Burgess may be in distress."

So where did that ever come from and why then did family not dispute this in their press conference if not true?

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/12...o-family-said-its-not-like-her-to-dissappear/

Good question.

What some of us had taken as solid fact, cut and dry, was in fact, not.

 

[otto]

Well sure this is all true but if focusing just on the facts was so simple and straightforward than crimes would be solved within days, and websites like Websleuths wouldn't (need to) exist. In any case we, the sleuthers/general public, can only go on what has been released to us, but always knowing full well that there are likely many other facts and details that only LE is aware of. Not sure why the need to refer to our past wonderings as 'wild theories'? What would be the point of this site if we didn't think outside of the box and ask questions that are outside of the box. Not every crime is straightforward or black/white, cut/dry........in fact most aren't.

Shannon was murdered in November, seven months ago. Of course we all had questions and explored various theories, but each time it came back to the simple facts that Shannon did not leave the house alive ... at least that was the only conclusion I could come to. Nothing else panned out. We looked at whether she went to Vancouver or Toronto, but there was no record that she left the city. We looked at whether they owned two residences, and they didn't. We looked at whether one of the parties was staying with a friend, but that didn't add up since they were both at home on a week night after midnight - and even good friends don't want a guest at 1AM on a week night. Each avenue we discussed came back to the fact that everything Shannon owned was at home, her husband was not concerned about her disappearance, and she was not seen after her husband reported that she was at home.

That's just my opinion. The first missing person's case I followed was Laci Peterson, who disappeared the same way in 2002. She was at home, and then she vanished. This scenario is played out over and over again. This website has hundreds of cases like this. I don't think it's odd to arrive at the conclusion that the husband is guilty before an arrest.

For example, check the Jason Young case in NC. That case went on for years where the discussion was primarily about his guilt. I think it was four years before he was arrested, but 90% of the comments interpreted everything he did and all the evidence through the filter of his guilt. If fact, police knew he did long before his arrest - they simply had a very difficult time putting the evidence together. That's probably exactly what happened in this case as well.

 

[otto]

Then why??? That is the question now. I know investigators are asking this of Josh Burgess. Why did this happen.

Was Shannon killed immediately or was she confined and killed slowly in some way. I suspect the details of her death will eventually become public record. I hope she did not suffer.

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He is charged with second degree murder, and he has been cooperative this last week, so presumably he told investigators where to find her body. They probably got into an argument after she returned from Edmonton - perhaps over money she spent having her car repaired - and he attacked her. If this was some sort of confinement, torture, and slow kill situation, he would be charged with first degree murder.

 

[dotr]

http://m.torontosun.com/2015/07/05/...-missing-calgary-woman-shannon-madill-burgess

"Neighbour John Wysocki said he’s been watching investigators scour the property, working under tarps and pulling out bags of evidence since Thursday.

A hole dug up in the yard could be seen on Sunday morning.

“It’s a shock — You watch some movie and it’s like horror or whatever, only this is a true story,” he said.

“It’s very hard to believe.”

Wysocki said he didn’t see or here anything suspicious around the time the victim went missing, and nothing seemed amiss before or after.

“Almost every day, I see this guy,” Wysocki said.

“He’s a normal person.”

 

[tarabull]

Snipped...

...CALGARY - Last December, the man now accused of Shannon Madill Burgess’ murder stood beside others from the woman’s family as they issued a public plea.

...Thursday — seven months later — police arrived at the Spiller Rd. S.E. residence of the missing 25-year-old Calgarian and her husband, 29-year-old Joshua Burgess, to search the home and the property once again.

Then on Friday they’d found her body and arrested him, charging him with second-degree murder.

...He consented to a search of their home, shortly after the victim was reported missing on Dec. 1, 2014.

http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/Crime/2015/07/05/22489181.html?cid=rssnewscrime

 

[dennisfedak81]

What did this guy do for a living? I've heard conflicting accounts ranging from Government of Canada to the rumor that he was the son of an elite old money family "slumming" and sewing his wild oats in Calgary. Another account said something about office equipment. Has anyone been able to confirm?

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[LayzeeDayzee]

I just watched the original press conference w/ the family back in December and it is very eerie now to see the husband Josh present with them, standing there, while his sister inlaw and her family are scared and worried about where Shannon is......and there the alleged murderer stands among them. Would have liked to see his face and body language during the entire PC (they only showed sister Erin, who spoke). How sick her family must feel knowing he stood there with them during that conference, knowing what they know now.

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=507836

If I'm not mistaken, back in the beginning of this case several us of questioned what seemed to be a strange length of time it took for husband JB to get back to sister Erin/family, to tell them he'd still not heard from her all day...or something about sister Erin trying to reach him and having to wait several hours to hear back while he was supposedly at work.