CANADA - shooter in RCMP vehicle and uniform, 23 killed - Portapique, NS *suspect dead*

[cody22]

Are there still four people unaccounted for in the area of the crimes ?....Anyone know ?.........moo

 

[susiQ]

It could be. I see a string of connections. Some personal, some petty. Lisa McCully had a property dispute with him. Gina Goulet owned a competing business. Perhaps there was some small town issue with clientele between the two. We'll likely never know.

This guy just strikes me as a sad sack who saw himself hard done by and wanted others to pay.

Just for clarity, GW didn't have a property dispute with Lisa McCully, it was with his uncle who owned the property. GW highjacked the house (he had helped uncle financially through a "rough" spot and then perceived he had a right to the house), and sold it to LM and the money was held in trust until the Court rightly ruled that the funds from the house sale belonged to the uncle and not GW.

 

[ab01]

But wouldn't that then mean that the names of those victims would not be on the "list?" I mean, if the list wasn't found till a day later? Unless, of course it was all planned in advance? Regardless of any "fight" that occurred that night?

Yeah I'm not sure how the list plays in I'm keeping an open mind to a few scenarios until I hear more from RCMP and or an accredited Canadian news organization. It's hard to go purely off of what a witness has said. As the witness probably wasn't given all the information.

Was there really a list? more than likely

Was it an actual hit list?

Was it a list of names that officers found and some victims were listed on it but LE can't be sure what the list was for?

Was it a list of people who he had grudges with but they were targeted for a different reason?

we shall see

 

[Peace777]

Yes. I used that to put this together. Same information.

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Shooter's neighbourhood, arrow indicates his house

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Shooter's house, backs onto Portapique River

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Civic Address Finder

In the picture where his house is there looks to be more dense bush across the road maybe the gf ran into those bushes? I'd run to where there was lots of bush cover as there doesn't seem to be much in and around that house but too it would be pitch black in the darkness I guess. Still would be too close for me to stay hidden there. Plus I'd be scared he'd have some flashlight to come and find me. Or heaven forbid just start shooting into the woods in my direction. JMO

 

[NJSleuth91]

It's understandable that people want to blame someone. With the shooter dead, some people seem to be angry with police for not preventing the shootings. They need an outlet, but RCMP are not responsible for the deaths.

They aren't responsible for the murders themselves, but they are responsible for letting the guy run around killing people for 12 hours, not sending out an emergency alert for 12 hours, shooting at innocent people, and withholding information from the public who want to know what happened. But don't take my word for it, that's how the affected people feel about it: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-nova-scotia-shooter-acted-alone-during-rampage-rcmp-say/

 

[MistyWaters]

Are there still four people unaccounted for in the area of the crimes ?....moo

I’ve hadn’t noticed mention of unaccounted for persons in the crime scene area by police nor the media. If not, maybe it’s a rumour?

 

[MistyWaters]

They aren't responsible for the murders themselves, but they are responsible for letting the guy run around killing people for 12 hours, not sending out an emergency alert for 12 hours, shooting at innocent people, and withholding information from the public who want to know what happened. But don't take my word for it, that's how the affected people feel about it: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-nova-scotia-shooter-acted-alone-during-rampage-rcmp-say/

How did the RCMP “let” the guy run around killing people?

 

[cody22]

I’ve hadn’t noticed mention of unaccounted for persons in the crime scene area by police nor the media. If not, maybe it’s a rumour?

Thank you... I read it in an early media post somewhere..... Probably not anyone unaccounted for after all this time......That is good.......moo

 

[MistyWaters]

Thank you... I read it in an early media post somewhere..... Probably not anyone unaccounted for after all this time......That is good.......moo

I sure hope there isn’t as well.

 

[ab01]

Also I just wanted to say my heart truly goes out to the Perp's girlfriend I can't even begin to imagine what she must be going through.

And just to be clear I don't say this to take away from the impact on the other victims families and the terrible loss they are feeling. prayers for them as well!

 

[Tighthead]

They aren't responsible for the murders themselves, but they are responsible for letting the guy run around killing people for 12 hours, not sending out an emergency alert for 12 hours, shooting at innocent people, and withholding information from the public who want to know what happened. But don't take my word for it, that's how the affected people feel about it: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-nova-scotia-shooter-acted-alone-during-rampage-rcmp-say/

Agreed. By the rationale that "they aren't responsible" they could, in theory, always do nothing and never be at fault.

Their obligation isn't to not be responsible. Their obligation is to protect the public. I don't think the officers on the scene were lacking, but the people calling the shots didn't meet the expected standard.

 

[Alethea]

They aren't responsible for the murders themselves, but they are responsible for letting the guy run around killing people for 12 hours, not sending out an emergency alert for 12 hours, shooting at innocent people, and withholding information from the public who want to know what happened. But don't take my word for it, that's how the affected people feel about it: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-nova-scotia-shooter-acted-alone-during-rampage-rcmp-say/

And I think it’s important to note the criticism is mostly against top-level LE who made the decision to not issue an alert. The way it was described in the recent CBC article about it going “up the chain of command” seems like a failure of leadership. Someone needed to say at midnight: we have an active shooter and multiple fires, we can’t confirm the shooter is down so we should send out an emergency alert. I don’t see how this situation WASN’T a “better safe than sorry” situation.

But that isn’t a criticism of the brave LEOs and first responders that ran into fires and followed up on the shots fired calls. Obviously individual officers couldn’t make the call to send out an alert. It’s important to not mistake criticism of leadership or the system for criticism of brave individuals.

 

[ab01]

And I think it’s important to note the criticism is mostly against top-level LE who made the decision to not issue an alert. The way it was described in the recent CBC article about it going “up the chain of command” seems like a failure of leadership. Someone needed to say at midnight: we have an active shooter and multiple fires, we can’t confirm the shooter is down so we should send out an emergency alert. I don’t see how this situation WASN’T a “better safe than sorry” situation.

But that isn’t a criticism of the brave LEOs and first responders that ran into fires and followed up on the shots fired calls. Obviously individual officers couldn’t make the call to send out an alert. It’s important to not mistake criticism of leadership or the system for criticism of brave individuals.

Well said!!

 

[NJSleuth91]

How did the RCMP “let” the guy run around killing people?

Didn't I already describe how? It took over 12 hours to stop him, in which time he traveled 55 miles and killed at least 22 people over 16 crime scenes, setting multiple structural fires along the way. They didn't even warn people in the area that he was on the loose. By comparison, Americans living in Nova Scotia were all warned by the US Embassy.

On top of that, they shot up a building full of innocent people when the suspect wasn't even in the area. And now aren't answering questions about it.

Maybe you find it impossible to criticize the police, but I don't, and there were glaring and obvious failures here. I've NEVER heard of a case in a developed country where it got this out of hand for this long.

And of course, let's not forget, this is the second time in a year that the RCMP has had a huge delay in warning the public about spree killers on the loose....

Agreed. By the rationale that "they aren't responsible" they could, in theory, always do nothing and never be at fault.

Their obligation isn't to not be responsible. Their obligation is to protect the public. I don't think the officers on the scene were lacking, but the people calling the shots didn't meet the expected standard.

And I think it’s important to note the criticism is mostly against top-level LE who made the decision to not issue an alert. The way it was described in the recent CBC article about it going “up the chain of command” seems like a failure of leadership. Someone needed to say at midnight: we have an active shooter and multiple fires, we can’t confirm the shooter is down so we should send out an emergency alert. I don’t see how this situation WASN’T a “better safe than sorry” situation.

But that isn’t a criticism of the brave LEOs and first responders that ran into fires and followed up on the shots fired calls. Obviously individual officers couldn’t make the call to send out an alert. It’s important to not mistake criticism of leadership or the system for criticism of brave individuals.

Exactly. It's a strawman argument.

Although, I don't think we know enough yet about what happened on the scene to say for sure where the distribution of failures happened. It's possible some officers on the ground didn't investigate properly as well, leading to the guy not being stopped. At this point, all we can say is that there were massive failures, and that at least some of them were the fault of the people at the top.

 

[susiQ]

They aren't responsible for the murders themselves, but they are responsible for letting the guy run around killing people for 12 hours, not sending out an emergency alert for 12 hours, shooting at innocent people, and withholding information from the public who want to know what happened. But don't take my word for it, that's how the affected people feel about it: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-nova-scotia-shooter-acted-alone-during-rampage-rcmp-say/

Just my opinion, but I don't lay the blame of letting that monster run around for 12 hours, at RCMP's feet. Surely this was not intentional and they believed he was contained. I can't imagine what those officers, firefighters and EMS were going through that horrific night of evil. BUT, I will join you in questioning why a provincial emergency alert was not issued, because it was obvious in the very late hours of April 18th and the very early hours of April 19th that there was something much bigger going on than a disturbance involving a firearm. I truly understand why many in Nova Scotia are angry about that.

ETA: AND, I am also VERY concerned about them shooting up a firehall with innocent people inside. Can't grasp that one AT ALL

 

[ab01]

Didn't I already describe how? It took over 12 hours to stop him, in which time he traveled 55 miles and killed at least 22 people over 16 crime scenes, setting multiple structural fires along the way. They didn't even warn people in the area that he was on the loose. By comparison, Americans living in Nova Scotia were all warned by the US Embassy.

On top of that, they shot up a building full of innocent people when the suspect wasn't even in the area. And now aren't answering questions about it.

Maybe you find it impossible to criticize the police, but I don't, and there were glaring and obvious failures here. I've NEVER heard of a case in a developed country where it got this out of hand for this long.

And of course, let's not forget, this is the second time in a year that the RCMP has had a huge delay in warning the public about spree killers on the loose....





Exactly. It's a strawman argument.

Although, I don't think we know enough yet about what happened on the scene to say for sure where the distribution of failures happened. It's possible some officers on the ground didn't investigate properly as well, leading to the guy not being stopped. At this point, all we can say is that there were massive failures, and that at least some of them were the fault of the people at the top.

There are definitely a lot of questions that need to be answered and I truly hope that there will be a full and transparent investigation.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Just my opinion, but I don't lay the blame of letting that monster run around for 12 hours, at RCMP's feet. Surely this was not intentional and they believed he was contained. I can't imagine what those officers, firefighters and EMS were going through that horrific night of evil. BUT, I will join you in questioning why a provincial emergency alert was not issued, because it was obvious in the very late hours of April 18th and the very early hours of April 19th that there was something much bigger going on than a disturbance involving a firearm. I truly understand why many in Nova Scotia are angry about that.

ETA: AND, I am also VERY concerned about them shooting up a firehall with innocent people inside. Can't grasp that one AT ALL

Why would they believe he was contained if they hadn't caught him and had no idea where he was?

Just because it was a terrible night for them and they didn't intend for this to happen, doesn't mean that they can't be blamed for not stopping him. (I could make a COVID-19 comparison here, but not sure if that would cause a huge argument, LOL.) Although, I'm pretty sure nobody is blaming the firefighters or EMS...it wasn't their job to capture the guy.

There are definitely a lot of questions that need to be answered and I truly hope that there will be a full and transparent investigation.

Well...good luck with THAT one.

 

[Satchie]

I thought this was a sleuthing forum. I think it's up to the public and government authorities in Nova Scotia to decide if, when and how they want to reconstruct events for the purpose of assigning blame.

 

[NJSleuth91]

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Disaster analysis is part of sleuthing. Also, we are the public. It happened in Nova Scotia this time, but without a transparent acknowledgment and correction of failures, who's to say it can't happen anywhere else next time? Any discussion of a rampage attack would be incomplete without discussing the factors that led to it happening.

 

[ab01]

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Generally cases here tend to have a complete examination of the crimes. How they happened, why they happened and the response of various agencies. We generally even look at what mistakes may have been made by investigators and how they could have done things better.

Websleuths is and has always been pro LE and it will always be, but discussion about the events and agencies responses in general has always been a part of the various cases here JMO