CANADA Canada - Sonia Varaschin, 42, Orangeville, 29 Aug 2010 - #2

[No_Stone_Unturned]

HI NSU! I think the police mean that the suspect drove BACK near Sonia's place and the car would have had obvious blood visible on the outside of the car. Her car being white too, it would have been so risky to drive the car and have someone notice blood stains on it. He abandoned her car so close to where she was murdered. That fact will also be a large clue for police, I would expect.

Hi:
Yes, I knew that he drove her white car but I'm not all that familiar with the area (Orangeville/Caledon) to know where he exactly left the blood-stained car.

How far from her house (the killing place, no doubt) was SV's car left? And also, do we know HOW MUCH blood are LE talking about when they say it would have been "clearly visible"? A few drops on a white car? Or large smears on the white car?

Any answers would help me get a better picture in my head of what happened regarding the blatant driving of SV's car after her murder.

Thanks.....:innocent:

 

[matou]

Hi:
Yes, I knew that he drove her white car but I'm not all that familiar with the area (Orangeville/Caledon) to know where he exactly left the blood-stained car.

How far from her house (the killing place, no doubt) was SV's car left? And also, do we know HOW MUCH blood are LE talking about when they say it would have been "clearly visible"? A few drops on a white car? Or large smears on the white car?

Any answers would help me get a better picture in my head of what happened regarding the blatant driving of SV's car after her murder.

Thanks.....:innocent:

Hi NSU, I created a map with the 3 crime scenes indicated. I can't find photos of the car and I'm not sure they were even released to the public. Hope this helps: http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?oe=ut...7819,-80.03952&spn=0.105335,0.235519&t=h&z=12

 

[PeonyLover]

Hi:
Yes, I knew that he drove her white car but I'm not all that familiar with the area (Orangeville/Caledon) to know where he exactly left the blood-stained car.

How far from her house (the killing place, no doubt) was SV's car left? And also, do we know HOW MUCH blood are LE talking about when they say it would have been "clearly visible"? A few drops on a white car? Or large smears on the white car?

Any answers would help me get a better picture in my head of what happened regarding the blatant driving of SV's car after her murder.

Thanks.....:innocent:

Hi NSU,

Attached is the link for pics of the car, area car found, etc.

http://www.orangeville.com/news/local/article/867500--crime-scene-in-downtown-orangeville

 

[dotr]

A recap of the criminal profile done with help from the FBI, OPP and RCMP:

Lead investigators did release a general profile that they created of Varaschin’s killer, hoping it might help them “zero in” on the killer by sparking further tips. In the days after Varaschin’s death or the discovery of her body on Sept. 5, police say the killer may have:

-Increased alcohol or drug use.
-Seemed irritable, agitated or anxious.
-Moved from the area.
-Limited social interactions to avoid detection.
-Had unexplained absences from work, school or missed appointments.
-Displayed other unusual behavior.

The suspect police say is likely very familiar with the Orangeville area and the gravel Beech Grove Sideroad, near Mountainview Road in Caledon, where Varaschin’s body was dumped. He may know it because of “recreation, occupation or illegal activities.”

http://www.insidecaledon.com/news/2...p-work-on-profile-of-sonia-varaschins-killer/

Thanks for that recap!Thinking about the type of person who would know of a quiet sideroad because of "recreation,occupation or illegal activities", makes me think of someone who does not have a home, or a teenager.

 

[matou]

Thanks for that recap!Thinking about the type of person who would know of a quiet sideroad because of "recreation,occupation or illegal activities", makes me think of someone who does not have a home, or a teenager.

I'm thinking it's a young person, who is staying with friends and/or changing addresses and jobs often. Beech Grove sideroad would be used by people who live in the area and know this road, I'm convinced. Someone who knows the routes from Caledon and Orangeville. JMO

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Hi Everyone:
Thanks for all of the links and info!

OK, so this really struck me:
"One neighbour, who declined to provide his name, said he saw what appeared to be blood smeared on the back of the white car, describing the scene as “gruesome.”

And some of you are suggesting a 'young person' - that's interesting because (for some reason) I'd had a gut feeling that in Mono, SL's teenaged son might have been responsible for her attack.:twocents:

Same person......????????

 

[dotr]

Don't forget about this ( previously posted) composite drawing of a man seen in the area..
http://www.citizen.on.ca/news/2011-...eases_sketch_of_possible_assault_suspect.html
"The investigators are looking for assistance from the public in identifying a male seen walking in the area of 10 Sideroad, just east of Highway 10 during the afternoon hours of December 7."

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Thanks for the link to the image of the person walking in the area. I suppose that leaves out the teenaged son of SL, but it's something to go on.

By the description given, he'd be big enough to have committed SV's brutal murder.

That said, where is he - have LE had any tips about his whereabouts?

Hmmm........

 

[Valleyboy]

Thanks for the link to the image of the person walking in the area. I suppose that leaves out the teenaged son of SL, but it's something to go on.

By the description given, he'd be big enough to have committed SV's brutal murder.

That said, where is he - have LE had any tips about his whereabouts?

Hmmm........

I doubt very much if SL's son was involved.
He is only 14 years old.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I doubt very much if SL's son was involved.
He is only 14 years old.

True - but have you ever heard of the Syl Apps School for 'young murderers/offenders'?:twocents:

Many 14 year olds (and younger) leave Syl Apps and enter the 'regular' school system. The former students from Syl Apps go back into the community and no one is the wiser.

Just a thought......

 

[LilyMacBloom]

I'm very uncomfortable with the turn this conversation has taken.

Just sayin!

 

[matou]

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a connection between SL and SV. I am still thinking about Kera and how close she also was to this general area. I really can't see SL's son being involved and now I can't remember if SL was able to give a description of her attacker.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Response to Matou (and all of you nice perople):

The last we knew, SL was unable to give a description of her attacker. She is in a rehab-type of hospital, learning how to walk again. Her progress is coming along slowly.

My biggest point in this entire thing is that Mono and Orangeville are very close in location to each other. So - could there be TWO males out there attacking/murdering females?

It has to be someone very close at hand.

And - my apologies if the suggestion of the youngster attacking his own mother has upset you guys. It's just that I've had experience in that area - in working with very disturbed youth.:twocents:

 

[dotr]

I was not offended, after all - stranger things have happened -just look at the former Colonel, RW- some people may have thought it farfetched when I suggested early on that he was wearing girl's clothing!
In the case concerning KF, SL and SV,I do not think it is the person that was suggested - but I bet there are plenty of other mixedup youth and young adults who are filled with a rage, which combined with alcohol , drugs ( and rejection?) is uncontrollable..

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Hi dotr:
Now I must ask yet another question (apologies for all of my questions!) - who is KF?

Many thanks in advance......:blushing:

 

[Valleyboy]

Hi dotr:
Now I must ask yet another question (apologies for all of my questions!) - who is KF?

Many thanks in advance......:blushing:

I believe she means Kera Freeland who was found in the ditch in Caledon.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I believe she means Kera Freeland who was found in the ditch in Caledon.

OK, thanks kindly.

 

[dotr]

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/westview/when-freedom-isnt-worth-spit-123152333.html
"As I sit at my keyboard I can't help but think of Sonia, her body unceremoniously abandoned. I think of that small circle that will not lift a finger to help the cops nail the killer, much less surrender a drop of saliva in a case that is all about violence towards women.

I wonder about what my long-dead father, a veteran of Second World War, would think of that sad, little group and their efforts to thwart the authorities as they follow up, seemingly without thanks, lead after lead?

I wonder about our young Canadians currently involved in overseas battles and what they'd think.

I wonder how much sooner Candace Derksen's case would have been cracked if DNA had been available then, as it is now. What could not using DNA's full potential mean in terms of solving Sonia's murder?

I'm fairly certain Canada is the best place in the world to live and confident that our laudable standing is helped little by cowardly people who fail to acknowledge the intertwining relationship that must exist between freedom and responsibility.

There are those that see a DNA sweep as the ultimate invasion of privacy. Then there are those who know it's just a little bit of spit".


Robert Marshall is a retired

Winnipeg police detective.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Oh.....this really hit me (from post above):

I'm fairly certain Canada is the best place in the world to live and confident that our laudable standing is helped little by cowardly people who fail to acknowledge the intertwining relationship that must exist between freedom and responsibility.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Let's hear it for responsibitity......

 

[greenthumb]

from http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/westview/when-freedom-isnt-worth-spit-123152333.html

Comments, hundreds of them, implored their fellow citizens to not co-operate, to fear the slippery slope leading to a police state. In this, the second best place in the world to live, I'll bet most have no idea what a police state can mean.

Others are quaking and say the samples won't be destroyed as promised (and required) and will somehow end up in Big Brother's data bank only to be manipulated at some later date for the ultimate frame-up.

It must be so uncomfortable to live in such insecure skin and to have your being defined by fear and paranoia.

Firstly, let me say that I do respect LE and appreciate the work that the vast majority of officers do on our behalf. Unfortunately, events of recent years have to some degree tarnished the reputation of Ontario's LE... under a couple of past commissioners, sometimes it seemed that the end did justify some very questionable means. As much as I hope that men cooperate in giving DNA samples to help in this case, I also understand why there exists a certain atmosphere of distrust when it comes to this particular branch of LE. In at least one area of Ontario of which I'm aware, LE has operated somewhat like it's 'a police state'... not upholding the law evenly & across the board, using race based & two tier policing, etc. IMO, cooperation is only a given if & when LE deserves the trust & respect of the people, and right now in Ontario, that isn't always the case. I wish it was and I hope with new leadership, it can be once again... but it will take time.

Having said that, I also believe that those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing... so hopefully, the men from whom LE request DNA samples cooperate & help to solve this case.

All just MO.