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I'm wondering if the ban was lifted so she could later write a book??
IDK, just speculating.
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IDK, just speculating.
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Or it could be a victim standing up for herself and speaking out against her abuser. If she was doing it so the US govt could hear what she went through, I think that would be an unnecessary effort IMO. I have said from the beginning that hopefully the government is well aware of JBs taliban wannabe behavior and wouldn’t let him step foot in this county. JB isn’t a dummy. After he was free from several years of captivity (I am still not convinced he was an unwilling participant in what happened) he refused to get on a plane destined for the US. Are you kidding me??? He basically claimed to be living in a dirt hole for years... who wouldn’t hop on the first plane headed for the America’s? Unless the plane is headed to a country with little tolerance for terrorists and terrorist wannabes.
He is Canadian. Why would he want to go to the US?
So many of you seem to have a cynical view of Coleman. I doubt if writing a book is on her mind at all. Surely she knew full-well that the ban would not prevent her identity from becoming known as the primary victim, either now or later. The moment she began her testimony, it would have been obvious it could only be her, even if her name had been withheld. The ban for the second victim is because I think we all know it is one of the children, so it will remain in place.
I believe Coleman is an abused woman who has suffered tremendously, both at the hands of her captors, but first and foremost, from her unwise relationship with a very disturbed and violent man.
The person I was replying to was talking about CC getting a restraining order in all jurisdictions
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Why is wondering about a book a cynical point of view? She will have to have money and there is nothing wrong with writing a book.
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His children are in the US. He will have difficulties visiting his children if he has a criminal record.
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The Boyle trial has concluded for the week with testimony from Caitlan Coleman's sister.
Andrew Duffy @citizenduffy
The Boyle trial has concluded for the week with testimony from Caitlan Coleman's sister.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/joshua-boyle-trial-1.5070074 March 25, 2019
"Witnesses to be called by the Crown will include the officers who responded to the 911 call, a forensic identification officer who took part in a search warrant at the couple's home, a neighbour who made observations about the family, Coleman's mother and two sisters, and a Global Affairs Canada employee who accompanied the Boyle family on their flight to Canada after years in captivity."
In another article from the first day of trial it stated that the trial is expected to last 8 weeks.
Crown witnesses that has testified in the first 2 weeks:
Social Worker
Ottawa Police Officer
Caitlin
One of Caitlans sisters
Global Affairs Consular Officer
Still to testify:
a forensic ID officer
a neighbour(Arlington St apartment is my guess)
Caitlans mother
Caitlans other sister
"Witnesses to be called by the Crown will include the officers who responded to the 911 call, a forensic identification officer who took part in a search warrant at the couple's home, a neighbour who made observations about the family, Coleman's mother and two sisters, and a Global Affairs Canada employee who accompanied the Boyle family on their flight to Canada after years in captivity."
In another article from the first day of trial it stated that the trial is expected to last 8 weeks.
Crown witnesses that has testified in the first 2 weeks:
Social Worker
Ottawa Police Officer
Caitlin
One of Caitlans sisters
Global Affairs Consular Officer
Still to testify:
a forensic ID officer
a neighbour(Arlington St apartment is my guess)
Caitlans mother
Caitlans other sister
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I'm beginning to understand why this seems more like a domestic violence and custody dispute case. It's because most of the charges do seem to be based on wife - husband views. For example, one of the charges is sexual assault with ropes. The defence seems to be arguing that there were several incidents of bondage sex, and that Boyle had no reason to view one of those incidents as assault since bondage had previously been consensual.
I wonder if the antidepressant charge is related to one of the children.
Don't the courts typically decide that even though a man may be violent towards a spouse, that does not mean that he will be violent towards his children? Maybe justice is more enlightened today, but I believe that is traditionally how the courts view domestic violence and custody. If he is convicted, I'm wondering whether he will have the option of treatment over prison - especially in light of his captivity history.
"The 19 charges Boyle faces are:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/joshua-boyle-trial-1.5070074
March 25, 2019
I wonder if the antidepressant charge is related to one of the children.
Don't the courts typically decide that even though a man may be violent towards a spouse, that does not mean that he will be violent towards his children? Maybe justice is more enlightened today, but I believe that is traditionally how the courts view domestic violence and custody. If he is convicted, I'm wondering whether he will have the option of treatment over prison - especially in light of his captivity history.
"The 19 charges Boyle faces are:
- One count of sexual assault while threatening to use a weapon (ropes).
- One count of sexual assault with a weapon (ropes).
- One count of uttering a threat to cause death.
- Nine counts of assault.
- One count of assault with a weapon (a broomstick).
- Three counts of unlawful confinement.
- One count of administering a noxious substance (the antidepressant Trazodone).
- One count of public mischief (misleading a police officer into believing that someone was suicidal and missing, causing the officer to start an investigation, and thereby diverting suspicion away from Boyle).
- One count of criminal harassment.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/joshua-boyle-trial-1.5070074
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I also think Sinclair is weak witness. She seems like an activist with an agenda.
"During cross examination by defence lawyer Lawrence Greenspon, registered social worker Deborah Sinclair conceded she hasn't done formal, peer-reviewed research on how prolonged captivity affects relationships, and that she therefore can't say what effects five years of captivity might have on a relationship.
Sinclair also conceded she's not an expert in distinguishing whether a victim's behaviour results from domestic abuse or prolonged captivity, and admitted that her report doesn't make those distinctions.
Greenspon also emphasized that Sinclair works as an activist in the field of violence against women, working to change social systems that prevent women being protected and heard."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/joshua-boyle-trial-1.5070074Sinclair also conceded she's not an expert in distinguishing whether a victim's behaviour results from domestic abuse or prolonged captivity, and admitted that her report doesn't make those distinctions.
Greenspon also emphasized that Sinclair works as an activist in the field of violence against women, working to change social systems that prevent women being protected and heard."
The administering a noxious substance charge is from when he forced CC to take trazadone.
I encourage you to read up on the very big differences between BDSM and abuse.
Activist (especially in the area of violence against women) is not dirty word. Plus, I doubt there are many people (if any) with experience of women held in prolonged captivity who are also the victims of domestic abuse. Greenspon is just casting doubt wherever he can (which is fair, but doesn't mean the judge will be persuaded by it.)
Which won't be, and should not be, a factor in the judge's decision.
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I haven't yet formed an opinion regarding what happened. I see a murky situation where he was not violent prior to 5 years of captivity, bondage was used during sex but there was a time when she did not consent, her mother asked him to give her antidepressant drugs and he did. I'm also of the opinion that a social worker who is an activist in violence against women is not an objective witness. I would prefer to hear from a scholar on the subject.
"Greenspon questioned Coleman about an email she had sent to Boyle's sister in February 2018 in which Coleman expressed how sorry she was that Boyle had "deteriorated like this," adding that he was never violent before captivity. The email also said that during captivity he was the victim of constant death threats and violence.
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Coleman testified the equipment in the bag was "at times" used during sex between the couple ...
Greenspon asked whether Coleman was aware that in the weeks prior to Boyle's arrest he had been contacted by Coleman's mother who was questioning whether her daughter needed an emergency delivery of a drug used to treat anxiety as a result of her "fits." Coleman said she was not aware."
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Coleman testified the equipment in the bag was "at times" used during sex between the couple ...
Greenspon asked whether Coleman was aware that in the weeks prior to Boyle's arrest he had been contacted by Coleman's mother who was questioning whether her daughter needed an emergency delivery of a drug used to treat anxiety as a result of her "fits." Coleman said she was not aware."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/joshua-boyle-wife-coleman-testimony-april-2-1.5081992
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. Are you kidding me??? He basically claimed to be living in a dirt hole for years... who wouldn’t hop on the first plane headed for the America’s? Unless the plane is headed to a country with little tolerance for terrorists and terrorist wannabes.
This is the quote. Nothing to do with him being a criminal at the time.——
. Are you kidding me??? He basically claimed to be living in a dirt hole for years... who wouldn’t hop on the first plane headed for the America’s? Unless the plane is headed to a country with little tolerance for terrorists and terrorist wannabes.
She is going to need money to live. Writing a book would do it. Why not?
She suffered plenty
Gotcha. as a US citizen, if I just was released from years of captivity, I would have absolutely no problem high tailing it to Canada if that was my first option to get back to America. That being said, by your logic, Caitlin is from the US, so why would she want to go to Canada?
I don’t see where her mother asked him to give her medication. It says her mother was questioning if CC needed medication, not that her mother asked him to force her to take 3 trazadones.
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