Casey Anthony Legal Defense Strategies #2

[Searchfortruth]

The only thing I can foresee the defense coming up with is multiple different explanations for each piece of evidence. I can't envision one defense theory to explain away all of the challenges the state will throw their way at trial. This in itself is a red flag to any sensible person judging the guilt or innocence of Casey. They, the defense, will have to explain away the decomposition evidence as either junk science or attack chain of custody and contamination (the ole defense lawyers last resort). A different explanation will have to be offered for Casey's behavior after the crime and if they are thinking about "ugly coping" I don't think thats going to fly...the pictures at Fusion show Casey coping quite well with her daughters disappearance. Jose likes to cite Cynthia S as an example of ugly coping, but Cynthia didn't loose a two year old child...there is a difference. Cynthia lost a husband, from Casey's reports when she was at Fusion Caylee had been kidnapped, she was missing. Plus Cynthia's case did not have the amount of evidence that Casey's has, but I guess Jose has to take what he can get. The people Casey said existed, but didn't, Zenaida, Jeffrey H., Raquel (outcry witnesses) have never been found (not even a picture exists and we know Casey liked to take pictures). Her whole life is chronicalled in photographs with the exception of these vital witnesses (her phone records also don't contain these fictional characters numbers, and we all know how Casey loved that phone). What Jose's explanation for that will be, I don't know. Maybe he will say that, by implicating Zenaida, she was covering for someone, but after this much time in jail that person still has not been identified and jail time would bring that info out from Casey (she would have given that up on day 31, more likely on day one). She has shown the ability to throw anyone under the bus in order to save herself, I doubt a jury will buy that she was trying to protect her daughter, her family or anyone else by withholding the name of the killer.

By attacking the evidence with a thousand different scenarios the jury will know that the defense has no sensible explanation for Caylee's death other than the obvious...Casey killed her.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

The only thing I can foresee the defense coming up with is multiple different explanations for each piece of evidence. I can't envision one defense theory to explain away all of the challenges the state will throw their way at trial. This in itself is a red flag to any sensible person judging the guilt or innocence of Casey. They, the defense, will have to explain away the decomposition evidence as either junk science or attack chain of custody and contamination (the ole defense lawyers last resort). A different explanation will have to be offered for Casey's behavior after the crime and if they are thinking about "ugly coping" I don't think thats going to fly...the pictures at Fusion show Casey coping quite well with her daughters disappearance. Jose likes to cite Cynthia S as an example of ugly coping, but Cynthia didn't loose a two year old child...there is a difference. Plus Cynthia's case did not have the amount of evidence that Casey's has, but I guess Jose has to take what he can get. The people Casey said existed, but didn't, Zenaida, Jeffrey H., Raquel (outcry witnesses) have never been found (not even a picture exists and we know Casey liked to take pictures). Her whole life is chronicalled in photographs with the exception of these vital witnesses. What Jose's explanation for that will be, I don't know. Maybe he will say that she was covering for someone, but after this much time in jail that person still has not been identified and jail time would bring that info out from Casey (she would have given that up on day 31). She has shown the ability to throw anyone under the bus in order to save herself, I doubt a jury will buy that she was trying to protect her daughter, her family or anyone else by withholding the name of the killer.

By attacking the evidence with a thousand different scenarios the jury will know that the defense has no sensible explanation for Caylee's death other than the obvious...Casey killed her.

I agree with you on all of this...but...I am reminded of the Defense's job. It is not the Defense's job to prove Casey's innocence, it is the Prosecution's job to prove Casey's guilt. While I myself wish for her to rot in hedoubletoothpicks, the Defense is actually just doing their job by attempting to create reasonable doubt. I personally think it's b/c they are all either anti DP advocates, or else they could think the DP isn't warranted in this case, so that's why they're going to such extremes in discrediting Kronk.

What I would like to see if Kronk winning out by filing a defamations of character lawsuit. Since it's Baez & his group of lawyers that are going on national television spreading this crap, I think Kronk could get a very serious monetary award if he can prove they did so unjustly. I think he could do that, from my perspective. If all these lawyer types came out of the woodwork for Casey, surely somebody would do the same for Kronk...at least I'd hope so.

 

[manatee]

I've thought about this long and hard. Considering what they have done with RK, the next step is to suggest that KC is not only the "mother of the year" but the daughter of the year. My "gut" tells me they are going with the theory that CA is "Zanny." that KC is covering for CA! CA was the last person seen by independent observers with a "live" Caylee. They would have to get passed the 911 calls, but just a suggestion that CA may be "insane", which may not be too difficult to prove, could lead them in the direction that all along KC was covering for CA. running away from home after discovering that CA hurt Caylee. maybe even putting her in her own car to eventually try to get rid of the body so no one would know what CA has done. They could bring out the first phone calls from the jail where CA says "I don't know what your involvement may be sweetheart" and then KC replies "you don't know what my involvement is? Mom!" . Also, there was another conversation from jail where CA asks her if she has told anyone about something and she says "don't worry, I have not said anything."

I fully believe that KC is solely and and completely responsible but I think considering this defense teams tactics, the next obvious suspect is CA.:sick:

 

[Searchfortruth]

I agree with you on all of this...but...I am reminded of the Defense's job. It is not the Defense's job to prove Casey's innocence, it is the Prosecution's job to prove Casey's guilt. While I myself wish for her to rot in hedoubletoothpicks, the Defense is actually just doing their job by attempting to create reasonable doubt. I personally think it's b/c they are all either anti DP advocates, or else they could think the DP isn't warranted in this case, so that's why they're going to such extremes in discrediting Kronk.

What I would like to see if Kronk winning out by filing a defamations of character lawsuit. Since it's Baez & his group of lawyers that are going on national television spreading this crap, I think Kronk could get a very serious monetary award if he can prove they did so unjustly. I think he could do that, from my perspective. If all these lawyer types came out of the woodwork for Casey, surely somebody would do the same for Kronk...at least I'd hope so.

I agree that it is the defenses job to defend their client, I just don't think that throwing a hundred different and unrelated excuses will work with a jury.

I have trouble believing that Jose's extreme dedication is all because his client is facing the death penalty. He uses the fact that his "client is facing death" in almost every interview to explain their over zealous defense (ie; throwing Roy K under the bus by digging up his past). It's almost as if he is trying to justify this recent behavior by the fact that the DP is on the table. If the DP were not a part of this, I strongly believe Jose would use the same sleazy tactics with the excuse that his client is facing the rest of her life in prison. But that's just my opinion.

Given the fact that the defense doesn't have to explain anything, I believe with the mountain of evidence stacked against Casey they are going to have to explain some of this.

 

[Rlaub44]

One possibility as far as where Baez is going with Kronk and the duct tape:

Viewing the video of Kronk's ex-wife who was in the coast guard and worked at one time in the LEGAL department, she came across as very credible.

Kronk, unfortunately, does not seem to be a very good person. Listen to what he did to his son- at one point his ex-wife said they could talk to her son about it. His son does not seem to want to see him now, either.

The other wife was not as credible, but she did mention he duct taped her and someone cut her free- who I am sure would testify to this if it is true.

Sadly, the person who found Caylee is not a "hero", he seems to be a complete jerk. But, IMO, the defense is not going anywhere with any kind of story that Kronk killed her.

What they will say is that he knew where Caylee was for quite a while and bring up that Kronk bragged that he was going to be a hero. Listen again to the interviews, and listen about the duct tape- he duct taped everything- said he used very strong duct tape, called it his 100% tape or something. The moral of the interviews seems to be that Kronk is a vengeful person and he loves to use duct tape.

Defense is going to go with an accident theory. What is the ONE thing on the body after all this time that precludes an accident? The DUCT TAPE. They are going to say Kronk found the body back in August, knew where it was, and duct-taped her mouth shut. They'll bring up the call he made to two people saying he knew where the body was BEFORE it was found. IMO, a jury could find reasonable doubt that Casey used the duct tape. That's why he's a suspect now. It has nothing to do with them trying to say he killed her.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/112009-crystal-sparks
Ex-Wife Interview
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/112009-jill-kerley
Ex-Wife Interview
http://www.wftv.com/video/21677942/index.html
Kronk's son discusses call from his father prior to body being found

One problem with this theory is that the ME, IIRC, stated that the duct tape was placed over Caylee's mouth and nose before decomposition began.

August would have been too far along for Kronk to have placed the tape.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I've thought about this long and hard. Considering what they have done with RK, the next step is to suggest that KC is not only the "mother of the year" but the daughter of the year. My "gut" tells me they are going with the theory that CA is "Zanny." that KC is covering for CA! CA was the last person seen by independent observers with a "live" Caylee. They would have to get passed the 911 calls, but just a suggestion that CA may be "insane", which may not be too difficult to prove, could lead them in the direction that all along KC was covering for CA. running away from home after discovering that CA hurt Caylee. maybe even putting her in her own car to eventually try to get rid of the body so no one would know what CA has done. They could bring out the first phone calls from the jail where CA says "I don't know what your involvement may be sweetheart" and then KC replies "you don't know what my involvement is? Mom!" . Also, there was another conversation from jail where CA asks her if she has told anyone about something and she says "don't worry, I have not said anything."

I fully believe that KC is solely and and completely responsible but I think considering this defense teams tactics, the next obvious suspect is CA.:sick:

Could be and I have thought about them using a family member as a scapegoat too...they certainly don't have the likeability factor on their side. But, there are still many things that can't be explained if someone other than Casey killed Caylee, or even took part in the killing.

First would be Cindy's call to LE about the car smelling like a dead body, if she was involved I don't think she would have made that call. Cindy through her My Space postings was obviously concerned about the where abouts of Caylee, while Casey's postings of "Everyone lies, everyone dies" doesn't scream concern or even anger that a family member killed her child. The sheer number of lies that Casey told Cindy while she was away from the house...Caylee is with Zanny, Caylee is asleep and can't talk to you, shows that Casey alone was covering for the fact that Caylee was already gone. If Cindy, or any of the other family members, had knowledge or played a part in disposal of the body, I am certain all duct tape, canvas bags and even trash bags with yellow handles would have been long gone from their garage.

Now, after the fact I believe the family did plenty to cover up Casey's crime, but the act of murder, I believe, falls on Casey and Casey alone.

 

[manatee]

Could be and I have thought about them using a family member as a scapegoat too...they certainly don't have the likeability factor on their side. But, there are still many things that can't be explained if someone other than Casey killed Caylee, or even took part in the killing.

First would be Cindy's call to LE about the car smelling like a dead body, if she was involved I don't think she would have made that call. Cindy through her My Space postings was obviously concerned about the where abouts of Caylee, while Casey's postings of "Everyone lies, everyone dies" doesn't scream concern or even anger that a family member killed her child. The sheer number of lies that Casey told Cindy while she was away from the house...Caylee is with Zanny, Caylee is asleep and can't talk to you, shows that Casey alone was covering for the fact that Caylee was already gone. If Cindy, or any of the other family members, had knowledge or played a part in disposal of the body, I am certain all duct tape, canvas bags and even trash bags with yellow handles would have been long gone from their garage.

Now, after the fact I believe the family did plenty to cover up Casey's crime, but the act of murder, I believe, falls on Casey and Casey alone.

I completely agree that the evidence points to KC acting alone. but If we the defense is going for Someone else did it...CA is a much more likely suspect than RK by a long shot....again, I don't think the jury would ever buy it, however.

 

[cecybeans]

I completely agree that the evidence points to KC acting alone. but If we the defense is going for Someone else did it...CA is a much more likely suspect than RK by a long shot....again, I don't think the jury would ever buy it, however.

I agree, but I'll bet she's used plenty when it comes to mitigating factors to avoid the DP.

If the State ever decides to go with obstruction and accessory after the fact, they could wind up together in prison - sorta like Grey Gardens Behind Bars if you ask me.

 

[doogiesgirl]

Oh they are going with the Kronk is the perp defense IMO. It shouldn't fly but they will try. None of them have any scruples regarding implicating an innocent man. They should burn in h*77 for doing this knowingly and willingly.

What I find fascinating is that the rents are doing their very best to get KC off. If by some miracle that happens, have they thought ahead, that she will be back living in their house. They may say they don't believe her guilt in public by I don't for one minute believe they don't know that she is a deranged/dangerous individual, capable of murder. How will they be able to feel safe and comfortable living with her in their home? Will they be able to drink the coffee/tea/cola drink she brings them w/o wondering if it's tainted? When they lay down to go to sleep will they wonder if she will sneak into their room during the night to inject them/ or cut them? I have no doubt that KC will "off" one or both of them if she ends up living with them again as KC lives in her fantasy world, she believes her own delusions and believes that others will also. She wouldn't blink an eye about her just escaping a murder charge and then her parent(s) end up dead. This may sound cold....by b/c I believe they know what their daughter is capable of and b/c I believe they KNOW she murdered Caylee and b/'c they did all they could to get her off, it will be a kind of poetic justice if they end up "pushing up daisies". The only way they won't be her next victim(s) is if she makes big bucks selling her story and is able to live on her own, her next victim could be a lover, or god forbid another child she has, or a friend..but she will kill again b/c she has a grandiose opinion of herself. And if/when that happens JB won't touch her with a ten foot pole. My opinion only.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I agree that it is the defenses job to defend their client, I just don't think that throwing a hundred different and unrelated excuses will work with a jury.

I have trouble believing that Jose's extreme dedication is all because his client is facing the death penalty. He uses the fact that his "client is facing death" in almost every interview to explain their over zealous defense (ie; throwing Roy K under the bus by digging up his past). It's almost as if he is trying to justify this recent behavior by the fact that the DP is on the table. If the DP were not a part of this, I strongly believe Jose would use the same sleazy tactics with the excuse that his client is facing the rest of her life in prison. But that's just my opinion.

Given the fact that the defense doesn't have to explain anything, I believe with the mountain of evidence stacked against Casey they are going to have to explain some of this.

Yep, I completely agree. I think Jose is very unprofessional, & it's almost as if he's learning as he goes along...kwim? As far as the rest of the team, they are definitely Anti-DP & more times than not win their cases. That scares me b/c Casey should either get the DP or bein jail for LWOP. If she's only found guilty & serves time for the supid forgery case, she could be out in no time. That makes me sick.

I personally think Kronk has a strong case in a defamation of character lawsuit. All he needs is a good lawyer to nail this cat! I'd volunteer to research case law & help out myself - no kidding.

As far as the mountain of evidence that has been released, I am hoping and praying they have more concrete stuff under their belts. Coming from the family that I do, I pretty much believe they're sitting on some pretty pertinent stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if they added late evidence to the game a week before trial, and hid it in a stack of 10,000 pages...out of order of course. While I think our justice system is the best around, I believe our technology is, also. When technology matches or trumps justice, an injustice can be served. I'd certainly think, if this case didn't become as high profile as it did, Casey would be found guilty based on what we've seen. Since the media latched on right away, the best lawyers & experts representing anti-dp establishments & causes came out of the woodwork to fight for something they believe in - supreme justice. IE: They believe the prosecution should prove absolutely 100% beyond any reasonable doubt at all that the person they're trying to issue the dp to is 100% guilty, otherwise the defendant should be found not guilty or guilty of a lesser charge not warranting the dp. In most of the cases that I found LKB worked on, she won. From my understanding, she & her medical examiners (probably more members of their team) are not interesting in proving Casey innocent...they're trying to prove her not guilty "enough" to get the dp.

True, it's a hard pill for me to swallow, and of course it's jmo, but that's how I see it...and it scares me.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Unfortunately for KC, every time KC's parents go out in the public they make KC look worse.

George's and Cindy's Zenaida depositions, the hammer videos, and today's video when Cindy jumps all over a reporter, show people who can be provoked and have tempers. They don't control themselves. Which makes it easier for the public to view George's and Cindy's daughter as a mom who might lose control with Caylee. Every time they lie they reinforce opinion of KC as a liar.

The defense would have to do some extreme finessing to present KC's parents in a way that makes them assets.

jmo

BBM. Is that even possible?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Oh they are going with the Kronk is the perp defense IMO. It shouldn't fly but they will try. None of them have any scruples regarding implicating an innocent man. They should burn in h*77 for doing this knowingly and willingly.

What I find fascinating is that the rents are doing their very best to get KC off. If by some miracle that happens, have they thought ahead, that she will be back living in their house. They may say they don't believe her guilt in public by I don't for one minute believe they don't know that she is a deranged/dangerous individual, capable of murder. How will they be able to feel safe and comfortable living with her in their home? Will they be able to drink the coffee/tea/cola drink she brings them w/o wondering if it's tainted? When they lay down to go to sleep will they wonder if she will sneak into their room during the night to inject them/ or cut them? I have no doubt that KC will "off" one or both of them if she ends up living with them again as KC lives in her fantasy world, she believes her own delusions and believes that others will also. She wouldn't blink an eye about her just escaping a murder charge and then her parent(s) end up dead. This may sound cold....by b/c I believe they know what their daughter is capable of and b/c I believe they KNOW she murdered Caylee and b/'c they did all they could to get her off, it will be a kind of poetic justice if they end up "pushing up daisies". The only way they won't be her next victim(s) is if she makes big bucks selling her story and is able to live on her own, her next victim could be a lover, or god forbid another child she has, or a friend..but she will kill again b/c she has a grandiose opinion of herself. And if/when that happens JB won't touch her with a ten foot pole. My opinion only.

couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[cecybeans]

BBM. Is that even possible?

It is beyond both the oratorical ability of the defense and KC's best interests, imo. I think she and her attorneys want tire tracks all over her parents.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Oh they are going with the Kronk is the perp defense IMO. It shouldn't fly but they will try. None of them have any scruples regarding implicating an innocent man. They should burn in h*77 for doing this knowingly and willingly.

What I find fascinating is that the rents are doing their very best to get KC off. If by some miracle that happens, have they thought ahead, that she will be back living in their house. They may say they don't believe her guilt in public by I don't for one minute believe they don't know that she is a deranged/dangerous individual, capable of murder. How will they be able to feel safe and comfortable living with her in their home? Will they be able to drink the coffee/tea/cola drink she brings them w/o wondering if it's tainted? When they lay down to go to sleep will they wonder if she will sneak into their room during the night to inject them/ or cut them? I have no doubt that KC will "off" one or both of them if she ends up living with them again as KC lives in her fantasy world, she believes her own delusions and believes that others will also. She wouldn't blink an eye about her just escaping a murder charge and then her parent(s) end up dead. This may sound cold....by b/c I believe they know what their daughter is capable of and b/c I believe they KNOW she murdered Caylee and b/'c they did all they could to get her off, it will be a kind of poetic justice if they end up "pushing up daisies". The only way they won't be her next victim(s) is if she makes big bucks selling her story and is able to live on her own, her next victim could be a lover, or god forbid another child she has, or a friend..but she will kill again b/c she has a grandiose opinion of herself. And if/when that happens JB won't touch her with a ten foot pole. My opinion only.

Respectfully bolded by me. This is something I think is often lost when discussing guilty vs not guilty. The "not guilty" vote can be every bit as dangerous as the "guilty" vote (and sometimes even more)!

 

[capps]

Okay...although I haven't read most of the above posts,this is what I'm thinking...

Casey will have to show when she and Kronk had contact for him to kidnap Caylee. Also what plan did Kronk tell Casey to scare her half to death and worry for the safety of Caylee and her immediate family,to the point that Casey had to hide the fact that Caylee was missing,and go about partying etc.to act like nothing was wrong? Even after Caylee was found,how was Kronk going to endanger the immediate family? Why couldn't Casey then say "It was Kronk! He took Caylee!",after she was found?

 

[Krisy]

They can put a spotlight on anyone they like, but I just have a hard time thinking ANYONE can let go of the fact that she didn't report her child missing until her mother MADE her do it.
Who knows when she would have done it...if ever.
She didn't bother until the jig was finally up.

 

[Searchfortruth]

They can put a spotlight on anyone they like, but I just have a hard time thinking ANYONE can let go of the fact that she didn't report her child missing until her mother MADE her do it.
Who knows when she would have done it...if ever.
She didn't bother until the jig was finally up.

WELCOME Krisy !!!!!

 

[mydailyopinions]

Question..
Has anyone seen a news report, or any statement from Baez regarding Zenaida kidnapping Caylee?
I have searched all over and to this day I cannot find any statements from him indicating that Caylee was taken by a Zenaida..
Also adding that to this day I haven't heard any of her other attorneys say that a "Zenaida" is involved, only that the police didn't look into them all.:waitasec:

 

[notthatsmart]

Question..
Has anyone seen a news report, or any statement from Baez regarding Zenaida kidnapping Caylee?
I have searched all over and to this day I cannot find any statements from him indicating that Caylee was taken by a Zenaida..
Also adding that to this day I haven't heard any of her other attorneys say that a "Zenaida" is involved, only that the police didn't look into them all.:waitasec:

I only saw emails between Dc and Ca indicating that they were looking for Zanaida or her mom. Jb indicated to KB yesterday that Kc wasn't there, your living in a fairy tale. That indicates to me that the accident theory is out. They will use the somebody else did it theory, but I am not sure about Zanaida. IMO

 

[panthera]

Question..
Has anyone seen a news report, or any statement from Baez regarding Zenaida kidnapping Caylee?
I have searched all over and to this day I cannot find any statements from him indicating that Caylee was taken by a Zenaida..
Also adding that to this day I haven't heard any of her other attorneys say that a "Zenaida" is involved, only that the police didn't look into them all.:waitasec:

Good question! I've really been wondering about that myself and what the defense plans to do with the statements Casey gave LE about Caylee being left with ZFG. Will they admit she lied to LE? And if so, how will they explain "why"? :waitasec: MOO