Casey Anthony Legal Defense Strategies #2

[MissJames]

For me, this was the big story of the day! Am I reading too much into it? Was KC not all giggly cause she doesn't have her 'gal pals' with her to whisper with? I swear Mason barely spoke to her and I may have to go back and watch the hearing again without sound, but both she and JB seemed to be glaring at each other at various times.

To me this heralds a big problem within the defense team, and I am wondering if KC has finally been told that all is not well in Anthony land and she had best start thinking about taking a plea deal.

George and Cindy didn't even try to make believe everything was all right by chatting with the people with them. Cindy was VERY concerned, you could tell just by looking at her face. She usually chats and then gets serious, but today there were no smiles at all. Somber is the best word I can come up with for everyone on the defense side today.

Judge Strickland was also somber and serious - which makes me even more curious as to what is going on behind the scenes, as in could there be a plea bargain in the works, or at least initial talks? Was this what the private meeting was about? Was he annoyed at having to revisit this motion? Or was it more along the lines of 'since they are trying to work out a plea bargain, this whole hearing is a HUGE waste and I am annoyed that I have to play along with it!"

You could see that Jeff Ashton was quite pleased when he came out after the private meeting, simply from his actions and his quip of adjourning court. I would almost call him 'giddy' if that didn't sound to girlish for Mr. Ashton I was so busy watching him, I missed how LDB was acting.

I think you are spot on.CM has probably rained on KC's parade. JB's ,too,for that matter.

 

[Pensfan]

Interpret this posted today:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ony-august-trancript-20100405,0,4865653.story

Why do they (prosecution) want to listen to the defense state that KC was innocent? It sounds like the defense is working on The Meter Reader Did It Strategy.???

 

[faefrost]

I think the mood was tense and somber because getting all the documents for the fishing expedition were crucial to the defense theory that the body was not there during the search. ROBBED! Sorry Jose. Time for a new defense theory. About all they haven't suggested yet is suicide.... yet. Hang on to your seats folks.

Well they haven't tried the "Michael Jackson did it" defense yet?

 

[pip]

Interpret this posted today:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ony-august-trancript-20100405,0,4865653.story

Why do they want to listen to the defense state that KC was innocent? It sounds like the defense is working on The Meter Reader Did It Strategy.???

It is the same day that the defense claimed TES was working as an agent of the state and the state says NOT. It is in the same transcript, which Judge Strickland asked for today to refresh his memory. LDB just referenced the particular court day as the same day Maculuso claimed KC was innocent.

 

[pip]

Well they haven't tried the "Michael Jackson did it" defense yet?

No, but perhaps Dr. Murray should start worrying.

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS


Mr. Mason said "If we can prove with evidence at least a reasonable doubt that somebody else had to put that body there when she could not have, then logic 101 controls. That means that somebody else was involved. Doesn't mean necessarily that somebody else did the actual killing..."

So...does this mean the defense isn't going to try and prove someone other than Casey killed Caylee? They just want to prove she wasn't the one who disposed of Caylee's remains? Huh? :waitasec:

Okay, "logic" also says...so what she didn't put Caylee's body in the woods: she still killed her and isn't that what she is on trial for? (That is not a totally original question, it was posed earlier by a WS on the "hearing" thread. I just understood this for myself enough to come to the same question right now though.)

Thanks

:twocents:

 

[littlemisslegal]

went to the court hearing today. the thread of hearing described it well. it was not very eventful . nejames and jose had a little drama and words but judge stan told them talk to the court and not each other when it got heated . jose said the state is trying to kill miss anthony. i cringed as i thought how horrible those words would be to a mom and dad of their daughter. the camera was on all of them one at a time. casey played with her hair , wrote some notes. she looked so young, tiny , petite and fragile to me. so hard to imagine all she is accused of when you look at this young woman in person. andrea was noticable missing. cindy and george looked serious. cindy did rub georges back . i saw closeness between them. joy was there and spoke to george. i asked her -- so you do have a connection with them- it looks as if you are friendly with george and her . she said yes- not a big deal but they were nice to her i felt when she spoke to him. i said to one reporter- not much people here. he said well its getting old. i said - it has a long way to go yet.

i thought i turned off my cell - the screen was blank. all of a sudden sprint sends me a text saying my call tone expires soon. it starts to play the song out loud BLUE MOON-- OMG I COULD HAVE DIED OF EMBARASSMENT/ I RAN OUT AS FAST AS I COULD. I WAS SO SHOCKED THE PHONE MUST HAVE BEEN NOT OFF COMPLETE. my call tone is treat me nice - elvis-- omg if that played it would have been worst. never been so embarassed!! i think i fumbled for paper in my purse and it got turned on by mistake. no one said anything but i got some looks!

we all thought the hearing was over couple times and stood up , then down, then up. it was meeting in private. jose did interview for news. just saw motion denied . all in all it was not drama - just a bit really

added this i told jose he has the best smile and i liked his smirk too-lol. he laughed and actually looked like he blushed. i said some say you smirk a lot, but i like your smirk!! you can tell i am not shy !!lol

 

[Pensfan]

I really doubt that J. Cheney Mason is working on this case pro bono just to have Inmate Anthony plead guilty. The blame game will be presented and everyone with any possible tie to the dump site of the body is going to be implicated.

 

[Nore]

i watched this on the tapes.As a person who has been nervous all her life, with panic attacks etc. (more so when younger) I feel KC has had it.All the fumbling with her hair,clothes,and hands shows me she is about ready for a breakdown.I think as many others do JB had her snowed.Along comes AL. and CM. they I feel have laid it on the line to her.She is going nowhere nice and for once she really realizes it.I think B. is doing the wrong thing by prolonging the inevitable.He will be lucky to keep the needle out of her arm.Sometimes I THINK the Judge sees this also.She should accept mental consuling.I'm waiting for the day when she sees the autopsy pictures and all her boyfriends coming in,acting like they do not know her.:boohoo: IMO

 

[Aedrys]

I honestly can't fathom what their strategy is now. They make so little sense that I am scratching my head at how they can even imagine taking this into a court room. I have never seen such a inept and bad defense before in my life. I wonder if they even know what their strategy is.

I still think CM has a big red button with the word PLEA stamped on it (like the Office Depot Easy button), and he's just waiting to take it out and push it at the right moment and BAM! He gets Casey an automatic plea that makes him look good. It makes just as much as sense as anything else the defense does at the moment.

If I was Casey, damn right I'd be worrying and fidgeting. She's got to know how massively screwed she is now. I bet she's wishing she answered Judge Strickland differently when he asked her if she was happy with her counsel...

 

[pip]

I honestly can't fathom what their strategy is now. They make so little sense that I am scratching my head at how they can even imagine taking this into a court room. I have never seen such a inept and bad defense before in my life. I wonder if they even know what their strategy is.

I still think CM has a big red button with the word PLEA stamped on it (like the Office Depot Easy button), and he's just waiting to take it out and push it at the right moment and BAM! He gets Casey an automatic plea that makes him look good. It makes just as much as sense as anything else the defense does at the moment.

If I was Casey, damn right I'd be worrying and fidgeting. She's got to know how massively screwed she is now. I bet she's wishing she answered Judge Strickland differently when he asked her if she was happy with her counsel...

I keep wondering how they are going to get out of the Zanny story. They have to know by now that is not going to fly.

 

[Reality Orlando]

Interpret this posted today:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ony-august-trancript-20100405,0,4865653.story

Why do they (prosecution) want to listen to the defense state that KC was innocent? It sounds like the defense is working on The Meter Reader Did It Strategy.???

Just guessing here, but if the defense says they have evidence that Casey is innocent, wouldn't they have to turn that over to the state? I thought there was some controversy about that recently.

 

[butterfly1978]

I think they are locked into the Zanny story. Every single one of the early depositions state that Zanny was the one that had Caylee. If the defense can not even decide who Zanny is all this fishing for something or someone just puts another nail in Casey's coffin. They can't say Kronk is Zanny, because he does not fit the description that Casey gave of Zanny, nor has he lived at Sawgrass. The request for the TES documents are ridiculous because if the defence can not prove that Casey gave Caylee to "zanny" then it doesn't matter what the searchers did or did not see on Suburban. Because if the mother of the now dead child can't even identify or stick with who she gave Caylee to then that alone makes her guilty.

 

[LinasK]

:laugh:

Well they haven't tried the "Michael Jackson did it" defense yet?

Okay, now that's just funny! :rotfl:That made my night!

 

[GhstTrkn]

Sadly, I've not really kept up with this case and I'm totally unfamiliar with the law but I do have a quick question regarding the hearing today. I didn't see the whole thing but I watched JVM tonight and I'm confused. I noticed a lot of people were happy that JB was denied his motion. Is that really a good thing? I mean, on JVM they said that at an earlier hearing the judge ruled that no copies could be made and no notes could be taken. As I understand it there are 4,000 pages of documents that JB has not gone through. One guy on JVM said he wouldn't have gone through them either because of the no notes, no copy thing...it would basically have to be done on memory. I understand the whole privacy issue...what worries me is that because no notes, no copies are allowed won't that give reason after (and I believe she will be) KC is convicted and the appeals process has begun? I mean really, who can memorize 4000 pages of documents? I realize he doesn't have to memorize the whole thing but digging deep into it and say he has...oh i don't know...200 different points to be made in the documents (just for example), how is he going to remember who said what and when? I realize these people know way more than me about the law but I firmly believe that KC is guilty and when she's convicted I would like her to stay that way. Does this make any sense to anyone. I don't exactly know how to say what I'm trying to so I hope one of you out there get what I mean.

 

[babycat]

Hello WS


Mr. Mason said "If we can prove with evidence at least a reasonable doubt that somebody else had to put that body there when she could not have, then logic 101 controls. That means that somebody else was involved. Doesn't mean necessarily that somebody else did the actual killing..."

So...does this mean the defense isn't going to try and prove someone other than Casey killed Caylee? They just want to prove she wasn't the one who disposed of Caylee's remains? Huh? :waitasec:

Okay, "logic" also says...so what she didn't put Caylee's body in the woods: she still killed her and isn't that what she is on trial for? (That is not a totally original question, it was posed earlier by a WS on the "hearing" thread. I just understood this for myself enough to come to the same question right now though.)

Thanks

:twocents:

I think this is pretty much what they are backed into a corner with. I mean, let's face it, they can only go so far with ONE of the "Zanny, Meter Reader, Jesse Grund, etc. did it" stories before they all fall apart. So NOW they feel they have to focus on proving or suggesting that someone besides Casey moved the body, because that could imply that the person that moved it could have also killed her. Proving someone else moved the body increases the probability (imo) that they could lean on reasonable doubt...


Let's face it, if they pursue the Zanny train in any sort of depth, they're going to make their client look like a huge liar (the "pants on fire" kind). So the best bet is to throw as many people as they can into the ring (Kind of a "baffle 'em with " technique), in conjunction with trying to prove there is no forensic evidence proving Casey did it, WHILE proving the body was moved after she was in jail. I think that would bolster their "reasonable doubt". They want to do just enough to put nagging questions in the minds of the jurors...

I personally think it's a stupid tactic, but OUT of the stupid tactics they are left with, it's probably the smartest. (lol am I making sense?)

I still don't think it will work, though. I don't think the jury will find the State's case weak enough for that defense to break it. I also think that Casey's behavior while Caylee is missing and her failure to report Caylee missing (in conjunction with her deliberate lies and refusal to talk) will ultimately be the "nail in the coffin", so to speak. I think the BIGGEST "nagging question" the jury will be left with is...

Why didn't this mother report her daughter missing?

jmo.

I'm sure this is all very rambly and fairly incoherent, but these are my thoughts at 2:45am after lots of math homework and a few Strawberry Abitas

 

[babycat]

Sadly, I've not really kept up with this case and I'm totally unfamiliar with the law but I do have a quick question regarding the hearing today. I didn't see the whole thing but I watched JVM tonight and I'm confused. I noticed a lot of people were happy that JB was denied his motion. Is that really a good thing? I mean, on JVM they said that at an earlier hearing the judge ruled that no copies could be made and no notes could be taken. As I understand it there are 4,000 pages of documents that JB has not gone through. One guy on JVM said he wouldn't have gone through them either because of the no notes, no copy thing...it would basically have to be done on memory. I understand the whole privacy issue...what worries me is that because no notes, no copies are allowed won't that give reason after (and I believe she will be) KC is convicted and the appeals process has begun? I mean really, who can memorize 4000 pages of documents? I realize he doesn't have to memorize the whole thing but digging deep into it and say he has...oh i don't know...200 different points to be made in the documents (just for example), how is he going to remember who said what and when? I realize these people know way more than me about the law but I firmly believe that KC is guilty and when she's convicted I would like her to stay that way. Does this make any sense to anyone. I don't exactly know how to say what I'm trying to so I hope one of you out there get what I mean.

Hello (Good Morning? ) I think you will find the answer you're looking for (in depth) on the "hearing thread" that has yesterday's date on it.

But in short, here is the info I garnered: He didn't have to memorize them all, he just had to know specifically what he was looking for, or look until he found it, and mark it, THEN ask the judge if he can copy the specific documents relating to what he tabbed...(if I understand that correctly) because the judge is not going to just throw the names of private citizens, and all of their info, out there on a whim of Baez.

It is not at all uncommon for this to happen-for an attorney to have to go through those docs, and request specifics. In fact, apparently it usually happens that way. I personally don't think it will hurt the case or be cause for appeal, because it's not like it was out of ordinary. It's quite common practice, as I understand it. (It's just that Baez hasn't apparently practiced it often. Maybe because it's that legal-y stuff? heh.)

Also consider the fact that instead of wasting his time filing TWO motions about basically the SAME thing and spending time "preparing" (and I use the term loosely) the motions and "preparing" his arguments for court, he could have used those hours wisely-moseyed on over and looked at the documents himself.

In short, if I understand this all correctly, he deliberately ignored the first order, then argued for the same thing the judge denied in the first place....But instead he wasted everyone's time, including his own, then complained that he HAD no time.

Bottom line is, if the docs are SOOOO important to Casey's defense, and he wants everyone to take this "capital case" seriously, then HE needs to start taking it seriously- and review the information immediately, if he thinks it can help his client.

Don't mean to derail this thread, sorry

HTH

 

[Searchfortruth]

IIRC, and I wasn't able to watch the whole hearing, Jose said that all it takes is one juror with reasonable doubt and that Casey Anthony would have to be acquitted. I have never heard a defense attorney state this in open court before, although many pundents have covered the issue, out of court, on various TV shows. So, the defense is hoping and playing towards that one juror, instead of trying to show their client had no part in Caylee's murder. They know that Casey is done, as far as the average juror is concerned, and are holding out for a very "unique" person who will believe their crap. Good luck !

 

[GhstTrkn]

Hello (Good Morning? ) I think you will find the answer you're looking for (in depth) on the "hearing thread" that has yesterday's date on it.

But in short, here is the info I garnered: He didn't have to memorize them all, he just had to know specifically what he was looking for, or look until he found it, and mark it, THEN ask the judge if he can copy the specific documents relating to what he tabbed...(if I understand that correctly) because the judge is not going to just throw the names of private citizens, and all of their info, out there on a whim of Baez.

It is not at all uncommon for this to happen-for an attorney to have to go through those docs, and request specifics. In fact, apparently it usually happens that way. I personally don't think it will hurt the case or be cause for appeal, because it's not like it was out of ordinary. It's quite common practice, as I understand it. (It's just that Baez hasn't apparently practiced it often. Maybe because it's that legal-y stuff? heh.)

Also consider the fact that instead of wasting his time filing TWO motions about basically the SAME thing and spending time "preparing" (and I use the term loosely) the motions and "preparing" his arguments for court, he could have used those hours wisely-moseyed on over and looked at the documents himself.

In short, if I understand this all correctly, he deliberately ignored the first order, then argued for the same thing the judge denied in the first place....But instead he wasted everyone's time, including his own, then complained that he HAD no time.

Bottom line is, if the docs are SOOOO important to Casey's defense, and he wants everyone to take this "capital case" seriously, then HE needs to start taking it seriously- and review the information immediately, if he thinks it can help his client.

Don't mean to derail this thread, sorry

HTH

Thank you for clearing that up. I honestly didn't know (hey if you don't ask you'll never learn...right lol) Like I said, once she is convicted (and i think she should and will be) I would like it to stay that way and not over-turned over something as silly as I was seeing that to be (before you explained it). Again, thank you...even though you seem to be a "saints fan" (am from Indiana so am a HUGE colts fan) :crazy: sorry...just had to throw that in there :crazy:

 

[ThommyMac]

IIRC, and I wasn't able to watch the whole hearing, Jose said that all it takes is one juror with reasonable doubt and that Casey Anthony would have to be acquitted. I have never heard a defense attorney state this in open court before, although many pundents have covered the issue, out of court, on various TV shows. So, the defense is hoping and playing towards that one juror, instead of trying to show their client had no part in Caylee's murder. They know that Casey is done, as far as the average juror is concerned, and are holding out for a very "unique" person who will believe their crap. Good luck !

ITA Whenever I hear a defense attorney spout that line, its the verbal equivalent of crossing fingers. It is even more like the candidate who is last in the polls. When reminded of such, he or she puts on a brave smile and says "The ONLY poll that counts is with the voters on election day." Yeah, right. One holdout that refuses to see will lead to a mistrial, not an acquittal. I just can't see this case ever leading to a hung jury but stranger things have happened.