Casey Anthony Legal Defense Strategies #2

[magic-cat]

I think it is because we have heard so many different stories by now, that we have all just shrugged and said, there she goes again. I think this new version came up AFTER she heard what was found with Caylee and had to come up with some way to explain why items from the Anthony's home were found - so of course, Zany had to have been at the house the day Caylee disappeared.

I have to agree with you though, this should be talked about, discussed, and dissected just like the other stories were!

OR

Does this new story clear the way for ROY KRONK to take the fall? I mean, KC doesn't NOW feel Zany had anything to do with it...because there IS no Zanny, so they are opening the gates with THIS story to throw some poor sap, RK?, right under the RV tires...?:waitasec:

 

[LambChop]

I think defense's hurdle right now is trying to figure out how to keep KC in her seat while JA is speaking. JMO

 

[logicalgirl]

I don't know...if this is a situation where she has cried wolf one too many times and so nobody is paying attention, but this is HUGE-way bigger than a "rumor" we heard from Leonard Padilla and then in Lee's civil deposition I think we also heard it...or was it George? Anyhow, whoever it was, this was an entirely completely different story and we analyzed that one to the bones of it...and here is another, completely different from either of the stories that came first, with entirely new and never disclosed details...and nobody is the least bit interested...I am just very confused as to why that is and how it came to be that this thing she wrote in those letters is not being broadcast like the OTHER things that are, like the sex abuse...why is THIS particular juicy tiddbit being looked over...even by US here? Anyone?

LOL Cause we wouldn't believe her and the rest is new and more interesting?

 

[Schmerty_Jones]

People like the Anthonys & especially Casey seem to be unable to find a solution that goes from A....................>B.
If Casey had not lied to her mother & everyone in the family,they could have come up with a solution. If Casey finds herself pregnant instead of having a family conference & deciding that a teen-aged unmarried & uneducated cannot successfully raise a child & so abortion with counseling would be the best of the bad solutions. Cindy being a nurse (& A MOTHER)could have counseled Casey on birth control since she was clearly an immature,party girl & a liar! To some abortion is killing,but it is not the killing of a viable human being in the care of a careless party girl. I believe what I am saying may offend some people, but it is so much better than a beautiful, almost three year old girl ,to struggle as the mother methodically smothers her with duct tape.To see the anger & rage in her mother's face as she tries to free herself but is a baby...not strong enough.
Casey cannot fool the whole world ! Those letters & conversations prove that knocking out her child so she could party is a henious act"!I need to party so the kid has to go." A.......I////// TO Z.........> R..........>>>>>>C..........>NO SOLUTION .......>>>>>>SO CAYLEE YOU DIE!:furiousERSONALITY DISORDER, MY FOOT:banghead::banghead:There is no way she gets off.

 

[pip]

I think their strategy is still to come up with a strategy at this point. :waitasec:

 

[ZsaZsa]

ITA

The real bombshell in those letters is Casey changing her story AGAIN. Now we have two completely different stories coming straight from her... first the one from LE on tape where she says she dropped her off at Sawgrass, went to work like a normal day, then came back to pick her up. She tells a different story in the letters. She doesn't feel it's Zenaida's fault, she forgives her, it's not her battle (WHAT...it's not her battle to find out who murdered Caylee?). She holds so much venom toward a lot of people, Jesse, her mom, the voodoo doll guy from ebay, even NG (she wants to sue her and get her off TV) but the killer of her child...ehhh, not her battle.

We never heard Casey herself tell the Blanchard Park story. That story always came from someone else saying she said it. I believe she told the Blanchard story but what's important is what can't be disputed in court and that's her own words on tape and her own words in writing.

I think the new Zany story is getting lost because of the craziness (for lack of a better term) in those letters. She comes off even scarier than before.

FWIW, I think the defense team will go for an accidental death theory. I really do believe if Casey had thought for one minute some people would buy an accidental death theory with three layers of duct tape wrapped all the way into Caylee's hair so tightly that it held her jaw in place, she would have marched LE right to the body and said it was all a big accident.

IMO

I think KC has reached Zanny saturation point. Now she says she forgives her, but knows she had nothing to do with it, but understands why she wouldn't want to show her face. So which is it- she forgives her for what? If she had nothing to do with it there go her previous stories .... it's never ending, but the plus side is that she is losing track of her own lies.

 

[sleutherontheside]

By the time trial rolls around Zanny / Zany / Zannie/ Zenaida will have morphed into a blond from Sweden that drove a Volvo station wagon. HaHa

 

[Pensfan]

^ You forgot to mention that the Swede will be a 10-just like KC...hehe

 

[Pensfan]

LYING will definitely be a defense strategy.
-Establish big lies in advance. Get entire Anthony family to support the big lies.
-Change lies frequently to confuse elderly jurors.
-Tell abundant lies so that it becomes impossible to determine if the truth is ever told.
-Put a tiny amount of truth with every big lie to make each big lie very expensive for the taxpayers of Florida to investigate.
-Whenever possible allow attention-seeking cowboy with very bad judgement and hideous Johnny Cash outfits to deflect attention from the big lies.

 

[pip]

I remember thinking early on that maybe JB was just strategically hiding some secret dynamic presence and courtroom skills that he'd unleash at trial and blow everyone away. Glad that's been cleared up. :snooty:

 

[magic-cat]

LOL Cause we wouldn't believe her and the rest is new and more interesting?

Personally, and this is just me, but I haven't seen much interesting in the jailhouse calls these other inmates made concerning THIS case or justice for CAYLEE... But...that's just me...

I find it intensely and immensely interesting that yet another story has come spewing forth about the nanny and how now she is NOT responsible...SO...

If the nanny is not responsible, in KC's little story, then that would lead one to believe that someone ELSE is getting ready to or already has the finger pointed at them. Roy Kronk is a HIGHLY LIKELY CANDIDATE since the defense has already gone to motions to "investigate" him and to consider him a suspect.

To me, this is just as interesting if not more so than her original tale, because obviously it has morphed into something else altogether and what that something is IS a very big deal as far as potential defense strategies goes...especially considering she even states that nobody but her defense team was aware of her feelings on this subject.

I don't know but I think Websleuths as a whole has somehow fallen for a big giant smokescreen, a snow job that kept our attention diverted to inconsequentials rather than FACTS...

It is a FACT that KC wrote this to another inmate...

A fact that has not been reported in the MEDIA...There is something terribly wrong with that....

HINKY METER in OVERDRIVE!

 

[RR0004]

Personally, and this is just me, but I haven't seen much interesting in the jailhouse calls these other inmates made concerning THIS case or justice for CAYLEE... But...that's just me...

I find it intensely and immensely interesting that yet another story has come spewing forth about the nanny and how now she is NOT responsible...SO...

If the nanny is not responsible, in KC's little story, then that would lead one to believe that someone ELSE is getting ready to or already has the finger pointed at them. Roy Kronk is a HIGHLY LIKELY CANDIDATE since the defense has already gone to motions to "investigate" him and to consider him a suspect.

To me, this is just as interesting if not more so than her original tale, because obviously it has morphed into something else altogether and what that something is IS a very big deal as far as potential defense strategies goes...especially considering she even states that nobody but her defense team was aware of her feelings on this subject.

I don't know but I think Websleuths as a whole has somehow fallen for a big giant smokescreen, a snow job that kept our attention diverted to inconsequentials rather than FACTS...

It is a FACT that KC wrote this to another inmate...

A fact that has not been reported in the MEDIA...There is something terribly wrong with that....

HINKY METER in OVERDRIVE!

I have felt all along this was contrived by the defense. They're just too la di da about it. I think Casey was encouraged to write this "drivel". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know these letters would be found out. They're using the "Sunshine Laws" to their advantage IMO. The State's attorney is aware of the nonsense and I doubt very much any of this will be used at trial. I don't personally see the connection to RK. By Casey's own admission the "real" Zenaida wasn't the one to kill Caylee. So are we to assume that some friend of Casey's knew RK? Now, that's a real stretch. I can't help but feel the defense's desperation. To have to resort to planting false information in the minds of the public tells me they're very much aware their ship is sinking.

 

[logicalgirl]

Personally, and this is just me, but I haven't seen much interesting in the jailhouse calls these other inmates made concerning THIS case or justice for CAYLEE... But...that's just me...

I find it intensely and immensely interesting that yet another story has come spewing forth about the nanny and how now she is NOT responsible...SO...

If the nanny is not responsible, in KC's little story, then that would lead one to believe that someone ELSE is getting ready to or already has the finger pointed at them. Roy Kronk is a HIGHLY LIKELY CANDIDATE since the defense has already gone to motions to "investigate" him and to consider him a suspect.

To me, this is just as interesting if not more so than her original tale, because obviously it has morphed into something else altogether and what that something is IS a very big deal as far as potential defense strategies goes...especially considering she even states that nobody but her defense team was aware of her feelings on this subject.

I don't know but I think Websleuths as a whole has somehow fallen for a big giant smokescreen, a snow job that kept our attention diverted to inconsequentials rather than FACTS...

It is a FACT that KC wrote this to another inmate...

A fact that has not been reported in the MEDIA...There is something terribly wrong with that....

HINKY METER in OVERDRIVE!

Magic-Cat - that was a very flippant tongue in cheek comment - of course I am interested in yet another incredible defense strategy but if it is going to be anything like the others, it's going to be frustrating. and irritating experience just like the last one. Which I have no intention of ignoring.

While I can't believe the defense set up this for the most part inane drivel from Casey, it's been for me and most of the WSers (IMO)an interesting, for the moment diversion. A look at god forbid, the workings of Casey's brain. I also think the defense, if they even read all the letters, may have seized on those phrases and thought oh goody, let's get on with a new theory.

Picture the defense as a pack of hyenas gazing at a herd of gazelles. Baez says - hey look there is a weaker one, let's bring him/her down as a new defense. My reaction is sigh, oh geez - brace yourself here we go again. Another victim in the Casey Anthony case.

I'm just stalling facing the inevitable.

 

[beach]

I have felt all along this was contrived by the defense. They're just too la di da about it. I think Casey was encouraged to write this "drivel". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know these letters would be found out. They're using the "Sunshine Laws" to their advantage IMO. The State's attorney is aware of the nonsense and I doubt very much any of this will be used at trial. I don't personally see the connection to RK. By Casey's own admission the "real" Zenaida wasn't the one to kill Caylee. So are we to assume that some friend of Casey's knew RK? Now, that's a real stretch. I can't help but feel the defense's desperation. To have to resort to planting false information in the minds of the public tells me they're very much aware their ship is sinking.

For several reasons, I can't agree that the defense counsel conspired w/ KC to write these letters.

1) these letters start being penned very early in KC's incarceration - I hesitate to even estimate a time because I am on phone call overload and I know the calls confirming verbal communication between KC/RA began even before Caylee's body was discovered. However, I can recall in one of the letters KC expressing her disdain in re. the one time CA didn't show up to a hearing and I know that happened long ago. During that time, JB was her only counsel. Sorry, but I don't think he is even close to being savvy enough to concoct a plan like that. Plus, during the early stages, I believe the defense thought they had several options - evident by all the people who have tire-tracks down their backs right now.

2) KC possibly incriminated JB by bragging in writing about the letters he was willing to smuggle in from her parents.

3) in re. KC's additional Zanny (that is the way I spell it ) story - I have listened to the RA calls ad nauseum and I can tell you the one thing you get from every.single.call is how much RA loves and misses her kids. That part is sincere. I think KC did what she does best and played on that. 'Poor me..my mom is a b**ch...I had to get out of that place...so, I left her with Zanny while I planned my escape & saved $...Poor me, when I went back to get Caylee, Zanny was not to be found. Then she switches to martyr status and can't blame Zanny for not wanting to show her face and insert herself in this case....she is the ultimate Christian and chooses to forgive her. I don't think RA bought it, but I think KC thought she did. All of this is just typical KC to me.

There are other reasons, but those are the ones that come to mind immediately.

 

[RR0004]

For several reasons, I can't agree that the defense counsel conspired w/ KC to write these letters.

1) these letters start being penned very early in KC's incarceration - I hesitate to even estimate a time because I am on phone call overload and I know the calls confirming verbal communication between KC/RA began even before Caylee's body was discovered. However, I can recall in one of the letters KC expressing her disdain in re. the one time CA didn't show up to a hearing and I know that happened long ago. During that time, JB was her only counsel. Sorry, but I don't think he is even close to being savvy enough to concoct a plan like that. Plus, during the early stages, I believe the defense thought they had several options - evident by all the people who have tire-tracks down their backs right now.

2) KC possibly incriminated JB by bragging in writing about the letters he was willing to smuggle in from her parents.

3) in re. KC's additional Zanny (that is the way I spell it ) story - I have listened to the RA calls ad nauseum and I can tell you the one thing you get from every.single.call is how much RA loves and misses her kids. That part is sincere. I think KC did what she does best and played on that. 'Poor me..my mom is a b**ch...I had to get out of that place...so, I left her with Zanny while I planned my escape & saved $...Poor me, when I went back to get Caylee, Zanny was not to be found. Then she switches to martyr status and can't blame Zanny for not wanting to show her face and insert herself in this case....she is the ultimate Christian and chooses to forgive her. I don't think RA bought it, but I think KC thought she did. All of this is just typical KC to me.

There are other reasons, but those are the ones that come to mind immediately.

I can see that...but I still kinda believe at some point the letters became a vessel.

 

[butwhatif?]

FWIW- I don't think that KC and JB & co planned these letters, but I do believe that KC wrote them in a way that she knew they MIGHT be released to the public at some point, because she knows that "everyone lies". It's obvious in one letter that she is fears that Robyn was away from her cell for a while, and KC is paranoid that she may have been talking to LE at that time, but fluffs it up, by saying [paraphrasing] 'I'm guessing it was just a visit'.

Based on the letters:

New defense strategy # 1-

Kc had seizures and accidently killed Caylee and covered it up because she was still "out of it". And she partied and lied because she lost all memory of what happened during the seizures.


New defense strategy # 2-

Satan was 'tempting' her and told her to kill Caylee. She then sneezed and saw it as an affirmation from God to go ahead with the murder, to protect her from Satan and all the evil-doers in society.
Ie: insanity defense

(# 2 -Which KC would NEVER go for)

 

[Aedrys]

I can see that...but I still kinda believe at some point the letters became a vessel.

ITA. I think that is exactly the case. Dumb Baez had no idea how stupid Casey was being right behind his back. This is the man that promised he would find her a man to take care of her, according to her. Baez saw Casey as a damsel in distress he thought he could save, and make some easy money off of her too while he's at it.

It's obvious he never read them. He probably just asked Casey to tell him what was in the letters and stupidly took her at her word. For some reason, he seems to have an immunity to seeing Casey for what she really is, and that keeps hurting the case (keep those rose colored blinders on, Baez).

I think they scrambled to think of what to do about these letters and decided low key was best. That way people would THINK there was some sort of conspiracy that makes the defense look way smarter than it actually is. I mean, come ON. If Baez had just read a few sentences of that first letter, he wouldn't have been so freaking cool hand Luke about all of them. He and CM decided to just let this be another diversionary tactic, and unless they plan to go with an insanity defense, which they already bypassed, those letters do absolutely NOTHING to help Casey's case, only make it WORSE.

And Baez, for once, had a veteran at his side telling him the right thing to do to make himself look like he has a brain and Casey has brain, and we all know they don't have two brain cells between them. IMO, the defense WISHES they contrived these letters. In reality, Baez had no clue of the stupid things Casey would pull that keep coming back to bite her. I bet he REALLY regrets taking her case now, and is PRAYING that CM can find some sort of strategy to get him and Casey out of this huge mess that's been created by his own darn client!

I don't mean to be so cranky, but when has the defense EVER been smart in this whole case? They are not going to just wake up with a brain one day and start being smart NOW, after the iceberg has already torn a hole in their Casey ship and it's going to sink no matter what. Not even CM can do anything but sink with them.

 

[nyvictoria]

I kinda think CM is just sitting back, keeping his advice to a minimum and waiting for JB to finally screw-up enough to be removed.

 

[LambChop]

Legal strategy 2008 - Get someone to bail KC out so we can arrange to have pictures sold and get money into her defense fund. Use media resources to get and pay for getting KC bailed out.

Legal strategy 2009 - Delay doing depositions, delay having experts examine critical evidence, delay picking up evidence from SA's office and instead file motions that are useless in KC's defense until the money runs out.

Legal strategy 2010 - Have the taxpayers now pay for the defense's expenses which defense has held off until now doing, i.e., deposition of experts, witnesses, etc.

So if the original strategy was for a speedy trial or plea deal with KC claiming accidential death and she tried to cover it up, there would have been no jailhouse letters getting out, there would have been plenty of money left over in the defense fund, JB reputation would still be intact bringing him in mucho business, taxpayers would be happy and KC would be serving out her sentence and probably looking at getting out very early due to good/excellent behavior.....her being so social and all. The A's would be back to work, still have their home and everyone involved with KC would be going on with their lives.

Isn't it amazing what greed can do!!! JMO

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

IIRC, Inmate Anthony has 7 charges relating to the murder of Caylee. One of which is a manslaughter charge for a child under 12...

I'm wondering with so much stacked against Inmate Anthony, why do they not try and convince her to plead guilty to the manslaughter charge. IMO, this would take away a DP sentence and give her a LWOP or a 25-life sentence. Wouldn't that be the way to go? Why prolong the inevitable?? I feel they will do as they did with the fraud charges..wait until the 11th hour and plead guilty but that will have to be for Inmate Anthony to admit to her role in Caylee's demise..I hate to have to hear the gory details of Caylee's death and if she chooses for that trial by jury we will hear those details. Either way, I don't feel she will be walking out of prison to get on with her RVing dreams or Costa Rica dreams. I feel the defense needs to reel her back into reality before it smacks her dead in her face...JMHO

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