Casey Anthony Legal Defense Strategies #2

[CarolinaMoon]

Yeah, I know that she was checked out upon entering the Orange County Jail, but, I meant that she/they may try for her to just snap, crackle and pop one of these days, BECAUSE of her being in jail??

That the stress and confinement, and, the lack of social interaction and her parents not being able to visit or call, just sent her over the ledge that she had been so honorably holding on to cause she is innocent.
She just couldn't take it any longer, and, her rubberband snapped and broke??

She could go insane in jail, but it wouldn't change the fact that she was sane when she committed the crime. That's what counts.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Yeah, I know that she was checked out upon entering the Orange County Jail, but, I meant that she/they may try for her to just snap, crackle and pop one of these days, BECAUSE of her being in jail??

That the stress and confinement, and, the lack of social interaction and her parents not being able to visit or call, just sent her over the ledge that she had been so honorably holding on to cause she is innocent.
She just couldn't take it any longer, and, her rubberband snapped and broke??

She can have family visitors,but she chooses not to. They choose not to phone because they do not want the calls monitored. We know she gets letters from them, courtesy of JBaez. From the other prisoners comments she sounds pretty care free. Her letters don't sound like someone in any mental anguish. She is not mired in depression, but busy making plans for the future and giggling about them

 

[nort]

I think she is thriving in mental capacity in there. She has already played Jose into sneaking cards and letters, she already played two or three of the jail personnel to pass letters and allow communication through vents and maybe even social visits. This is what Casey does she plays everyone everywhere and she loves this challenge. Its Casey's game on she actually believes she can win she thinks she is that good. IMO

 

[USARDOG]

Over a course of many years, not the "30" days. I also do not think that having sexual intercourse with seven men makes her a !

A "" is someone who does it for money. Few have suggested she was a "working girl." However, having a baby and not knowing who the father is, at the least, make her quite promiscuous. Further, I doubt you would find many around here who have pictures of men fondling their brests. A "," no, promiscuous... Most definitely.

Perhaps the defense is going to use the'ol, "bad childhood," thing when all those raunchy pictures we have only seen some of... come out in the trial.

 

[ZsaZsa]

A "" is someone who does it for money. Few have suggested she was a "working girl." However, having a baby and not knowing who the father is, at the least, make her quite promiscuous. Further, I doubt you would find many around here who have pictures of men fondling their brests. A "," no, promiscuous... Most definitely.

Perhaps the defense is going to use the'ol, "bad childhood," thing when all those raunchy pictures we have only seen some of... come out in the trial.

I'm thinking Cindy just used that word '' as the most demeaning one she could think of at the time. Maybe would have been more appropriate.

 

[Purple Iris]

Purple Iris I also wonder if the law or how this would be handled varies from state to state. For example we had such a case here in Waukesha, Wi. and during the time the person was moved from a regular jail cell to a "Psych Ward Cell Block" until they were deemed fit and sane to stand trial. While in Psych they are treated by court appointed psychiatrists and visited also by psychologists.

Great Question for the legal thread!

That was my point ~ She couldn't legally stand trial until the doctors could redetermine her saneness.

She could sit on that chair indifantly, IMO, if she choose to.

 

[LambChop]

I don't think you go suddenly insane. Flying into a rage...I could see her doing that. Venting, that too. I would say they are keeping a good eye on her to make sure she stays in good mental health. Meds are always available to help her cope. jmo

 

[RR0004]

That same logic could also be applied in regards to the infamous "death band" hair. The FBI analyst even stated it as being so within the documents.

I happen to believe that it would seem more likely, in most cases, to have the perps hair at the scene, then it is to be some random strangers. Particularly when taking into account all the duct tape and sticky residue also located at said scene.

...except it proved that Casey had a dead body in her car...fwiw. Garbage is garbage...and there was plenty that didn't belong to just one person. IMO...I see the thoroughness of the FBI/LE at work. I believe they were trying to protect the integrity of the investigation by even examining it. Personally, I don't see that line of defense going anywhere. JMHO

 

[okiedokietoo]

At this point i think the defenses best strategy is to let the SA keep on the current path. The more they find the less inclined I am to believe the scenario laid out before me now.

From what I understand, as an emotionally univolved individual, I am supposed to believe that:

Casey premeditated murdering her daughter months ahead of time.

She googled neck breaking shovel and chloroform in order to find ways to kill Caylee,

As a result of these searches she made chloroform and dosed Caylee with it, possibly with a syringe found at the dump site with somone elses hair.

She then, after chloroforming her daughter, wrapped duct tape that is similar, but not a match to the tape found at her residence, over her face tight enough to suffocate her and put a heart sticker on the tape as a sign of love, that has never been located, nor is there any documented proof of it being there other then ONE agent saying thats what they think they saw!

At some point she possibly moved her deceased daughter to different places in the back yard, at one point borrowing a shovel that she had to google months prior to know how to use, before putting her in the trunk of her car, that shows no absolute proof of human decomposition, and/or Caylee being dead in the trunk.

The kicker to this is that her motive was spite for her mother, love for TL, and god knows what else, despite everyone who KNOWS HER saying she loved Caylee more then anything.

There is of course much more I think about the evidence to date and the above is poorly written, but it is getting late!

I say let the SA keep on digging and delaying..it seems to be worling out really well for them thus far!

I haven't seen any evidence nor read any motions that show that SA has been delaying this case.

 

[RR0004]

I haven't seen any evidence nor read any motions that show that SA has been delaying this case.

Thanks for stating that. It is, IMO, the defense that's using the delays as one of their strategies. What does the State have to gain for delaying the trial? Digging...I hope they have turned over every rock...examined and re-examined every bit of evidence...done their job absolutely and completely. Wish the defense could do the same...it would make me feel better knowing that Florida taxpayers were at least paying out for SOMETHING!

 

[miss plum]

At this point i think the defenses best strategy is to let the SA keep on the current path. The more they find the less inclined I am to believe the scenario laid out before me now.

From what I understand, as an emotionally univolved individual, I am supposed to believe that:

Casey premeditated murdering her daughter months ahead of time.

She googled neck breaking shovel and chloroform in order to find ways to kill Caylee,

As a result of these searches she made chloroform and dosed Caylee with it, possibly with a syringe found at the dump site with somone elses hair.

She then, after chloroforming her daughter, wrapped duct tape that is similar, but not a match to the tape found at her residence, over her face tight enough to suffocate her and put a heart sticker on the tape as a sign of love, that has never been located, nor is there any documented proof of it being there other then ONE agent saying thats what they think they saw!

At some point she possibly moved her deceased daughter to different places in the back yard, at one point borrowing a shovel that she had to google months prior to know how to use, before putting her in the trunk of her car, that shows no absolute proof of human decomposition, and/or Caylee being dead in the trunk.

The kicker to this is that her motive was spite for her mother, love for TL, and god knows what else, despite everyone who KNOWS HER saying she loved Caylee more then anything.

There is of course much more I think about the evidence to date and the above is poorly written, but it is getting late!

I say let the SA keep on digging and delaying..it seems to be worling out really well for them thus far!

If this were my jumbled and selective take on the accumulated evidence against KC I might have some doubts as well. However the jury will also be considering factors like KC never ever reporting her daughter missing, KC pretending she had spoken to Caylee the same morning she was caught up with so that no one would worry or look for her, KC not missing a party beat due to the grief of losing the baby she 'loved more than anything', KC finding it a huge waste that her friend was crying about the possibility something had happened to Caylee, etc etc etc. etc etc etc.

There is no motive for anyone to want Caylee to have been killed by her own mother, or for anyone to frame KC for doing it. The public at large find it deeply distressing that a mother would such a thing. It's terrible to think that the last thing a little child knew was that her mother was hurting her. A mother who purportedly 'loved her more than anything' but got a cheerful tattoo to celebrate her new, childless life. A mother who wore a t-shirt with her missing child's face on it, but tied a knot in it so the little girl's image was obscured, mirroring the actual little girl who was lying in a nearby swamp with her face plastered in duct tape. A mother who wondered why the baby's grandmother was crying when she saw her in jail, because she had moved on and thought everyone should have as well.

All these factors and more will potentially be on the SA's 'path' and I have no idea how the defense can counter them. Hence their 'current path' of trying to get everything they can thrown out.

 

[logicalgirl]

I keep reading these threads and seeing a number of posters who believe this was an "accidental death".
However, what I haven't seen is anyone post a scenario that makes accidental believable.
How does anyone explain the defense looking for SODDI, the hits on the back yard, the decomp in the trunk, the matching bags, the duct tape, the nanny stories, the dumping of the car, the not reporting Caylee missing for 31 days, the imaginary phone call from Caylee the day the LE started investigating Casey, the imaginary job, and leaving your child so close to home for six months so that the crime scene is so degraded, the tattoo, the lack of remorse or sadness during the jail visit videos, etc. This is a very shortened list.

So, I am sincerely asking. Because the only way I can see the Defense coming up with any defense at all, is to attack the forensic evidence and to come with an accidental death explanation. With a defendant who will refuse to testify.

Will someone please post a 'proposed defense" I can consider. I don't believe the choice for the jury will either be the death penalty or accidental, I think it will be guilty or not guilty. And I just can't see a not guilty charge happening, with what we know to date.

Remember Baez said we will all understand what happened, at trial.

 

[nort]

If it was an accident it does not mean she did not bag her or have her in the yard or have even taped her so all of that evidence would be expected to be found. The 31 days will be explained away as her being selfish, heartless, sociopathic, narcissistic and all the things that even professionals on TV have claimed as to her personality disorders and morals. There is no cause of death so there is now to say no she was strangled, poisoned, suffocated or any other imaginable murder. Her saying the nanny took her is already not believable so they may claim she came clean to them in regards to an accident. As far as her testifying they could put her up there and they could attack her about all the evidence but if she admitted to wrapping her up there would not be much to argue about re: the blanket, hamper. tape, car and everything else they have. Just to clarify I do believe she killed her but I am affraid if they embrace the physical evidence they may be able to come up with something. IMO

 

[ZsaZsa]

If it was an accident it does not mean she did not bag her or have her in the yard or have even taped her so all of that evidence would be expected to be found. The 31 days will be explained away as her being selfish, heartless, sociopathic, narcissistic and all the things that even professionals on TV have claimed as to her personality disorders and morals. There is no cause of death so there is now to say no she was strangled, poisoned, suffocated or any other imaginable murder. Her saying the nanny took her is already not believable so they may claim she came clean to them in regards to an accident. As far as her testifying they could put her up there and they could attack her about all the evidence but if she admitted to wrapping her up there would not be much to argue about re: the blanket, hamper. tape, car and everything else they have. Just to clarify I do believe she killed her but I am affraid if they embrace the physical evidence they may be able to come up with something. IMO

Which gets us neatly back to what looks like a duck etc.
No reasonable person is going to accept the accident defense, when she has already come up with yet another scenario ( Invisananny #3) - in the time she has been in jail wouldn't any person who had killed by accident have told someone that was what happened, or would they keep quiet and wait for trial- and then not be willing to testify.. as CM stated, there is no way they could put her on the stand, there is just too much to cross examine her on. If this was an accident why would she not be willing to say so in the last two years. She is young, and her youth is slipping by, that excuse does not make sense, and the Jury will see that.
Look for Nanny #4 story soon....

 

[nort]

Can she change her mind about testifying? I do think she may wait in hopes that her behavior in custody proves that she has some personality disorders that keep her from being rational. The more we hear about her behavior the more we believe she has issues. Her attorneys might think she should wait so they can see the entire picture, at this juncture not all has been released and to rush to court might be risky. Once they see the whole picture they will know what their up against point to point. If I thought that if I waited in jail for three years to escape the death penalty I would get through it and she is. I'm just not ready to call the game a win before the other team shows up. IMO

 

[nort]

Which gets us neatly back to what looks like a duck etc.
No reasonable person is going to accept the accident defense, when she has already come up with yet another scenario ( Invisananny #3) - in the time she has been in jail wouldn't any person who had killed by accident have told someone that was what happened, or would they keep quiet and wait for trial- and then not be willing to testify.. as CM stated, there is no way they could put her on the stand, there is just too much to cross examine her on. If this was an accident why would she not be willing to say so in the last two years. She is young, and her youth is slipping by, that excuse does not make sense, and the Jury will see that.
Look for Nanny #4 story soon....

I sincerly hope you are right

 

[Aedrys]

Can she change her mind about testifying? I do think she may wait in hopes that her behavior in custody proves that she has some personality disorders that keep her from being rational. The more we hear about her behavior the more we believe she has issues. Her attorneys might think she should wait so they can see the entire picture, at this juncture not all has been released and to rush to court might be risky. Once they see the whole picture they will know what their up against point to point. If I thought that if I waited in jail for three years to escape the death penalty I would get through it and she is. I'm just not ready to call the game a win before the other team shows up. IMO

I'm not a lawyer, but I think she can testify even though her lawyers don't want her to. They literally can't tie her to her chair and force her not to get up on the stand. And I can see her getting pissed enough to go against what they say and get on that stand, especially since they can't make Judge Perry or SA "stop". I'm pretty sure I've heard of cases where a defendant got on the stand to tell their story despite how much their lawyer told them not to. And of course, they got themselves convicted even more because of that.

 

[nort]

I'm not a lawyer, but I think she can testify against her lawyer's recommendation. They literally can't force her NOT to get on the stand. And I can see her getting pissed enough to go against what they say and get on that stand.

She is the most stubborn, irrational person I have come to know of. I could see this too. She thinks she can fool god for petes sake.

 

[logicalgirl]

Can she change her mind about testifying? I do think she may wait in hopes that her behavior in custody proves that she has some personality disorders that keep her from being rational. The more we hear about her behavior the more we believe she has issues. Her attorneys might think she should wait so they can see the entire picture, at this juncture not all has been released and to rush to court might be risky. Once they see the whole picture they will know what their up against point to point. If I thought that if I waited in jail for three years to escape the death penalty I would get through it and she is. I'm just not ready to call the game a win before the other team shows up. IMO

Yes, I agree - however can the personality disorders be brought in on the guilt or innocent phase or in the penalty phase.
My understanding is, although I could be wrong, she has been declared competent to stand trial. So I'm not seeing the defense being able to claim "somewhat crazy". In fact although I stated above that I think this will be a guilty or innocent(not guilty) trial, I actually believe it will be a guilty of murder 1 or aggravated manslaughter and there isn't a whole lot of difference in the sentencing, if you leave out the DP.

I'm not arguing not guilty at all, since I've seen nothing to say she isn't guilty, however I was just asking the true proponents of "accidental" to lay out a convincing sequence that I could consider and perhaps find believable.

 

[logicalgirl]

I'm not a lawyer, but I think she can testify even though her lawyers don't want her to. They literally can't tie her to her chair and force her not to get up on the stand. And I can see her getting pissed enough to go against what they say and get on that stand, especially since they can't make Judge Perry or SA "stop". I'm pretty sure I've heard of cases where a defendant got on the stand to tell their story despite how much their lawyer told them not to. And of course, they got themselves convicted even more because of that.

LOL please testify Casey! And yes, I agree with your comments about her anger management issues.