Casey & Family Psychological Profile #3

[OneLostGrl]

WOW, OLG, you really have your finger on the pulse! I so admire you for the hard journey you have had to get to where you are. I read your posts and truly see exactly what you state. I sure hope you are in a line of work where you can use your life skills and knowledge to help others. I know so much more because of you and several others on this forum. Just wanted to say thank you for explaining things so clearly to those of us who haven't walked in your shoes. :blowkiss:

:blowkiss: thank you.

 

[OneLostGrl]

These are all such good posts today. I so wish I could not relate, but I can.

There is not a 'smilie' to express my feelings right now.

:blowkiss: and *hugs* to you, Shivs! I hope you are well!

 

[nancy botwin]

A lot has been said about how Cindy and George conducted themselves during the video visitations-- it's interesting to refer back to this post by Knot4uno-- George seems to follow the criminal profiler's interpersonal guidelines to a T, IMO.

Quoting from post re: appealing to Casey's narcissism:
GOOD Cop Interpersonal Guidelines:
-Show respect, admiration, and be easily impressed
-“Understand” their special abilities and attributes
-Present yourself as important and having “connections”


Casey's in special protective custody, Casey's the "CEO", George has the inside track to OCSO and can arrange a private and unrecorded meeting, etc.

George's "we're all a hand" analogy appeals to her Borderline features, etc.

IMO George takes a good volume of heat for being a bit of a weakling, but IMO he's probably less weak than he seems.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Agree with almost all. Exception George - She chose George because he was being truethful and she needed to rake him in and what better way than It is you I want.His face when she said that said it all.He was elated and it sealed the deal...He started lying too.....

You very well could be right! :blowkiss: It sure makes sense and fits her manipulative behaviors to a T!

 

[reeseeva]

If this has been covered before, my apologies, but would love the analysis of this photo & quote & subsequent quote by Tupac, Pages 6 & 7

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1603690/casey-anthony-computer-report

Interesting dates when these were created, following Cindy's Myspace letter, dated July 3rd, which she hauntingly labels "My Caylee is Missing"

The photo of the girl, with the " Why do people kill people, who kill people, to show people that to kill people is Bad?" I think she uploaded this, as she found the hypocrisy, somewhat fulfilling.

And, the quote under the poster by Tupac, is like an answer to the question, which I feel was comforting to Casey in her brief moments of REALITY?

I see lots of self-analysis in her choices.

 

[OneLostGrl]

A lot has been said about how Cindy and George conducted themselves during the video visitations-- it's interesting to refer back to this post by Knot4uno-- George seems to follow the criminal profiler's interpersonal guidelines to a T, IMO.

Quoting from post re: appealing to Casey's narcissism:
GOOD Cop Interpersonal Guidelines:
-Show respect, admiration, and be easily impressed
-“Understand” their special abilities and attributes
-Present yourself as important and having “connections”


Casey's in special protective custody, Casey's the "CEO", George has the inside track to OCSO and can arrange a private and unrecorded meeting, etc.

George's "we're all a hand" analogy appeals to her Borderline features, etc.

IMO George takes a good volume of heat for being a bit of a weakling, but IMO he's probably less weak than he seems.

huh, interesting stuff! I don't remember Russell posting that LOL I wonder if I knew it at the time, it's been awhile. While I notice George seems to be playing this game, nothing he said happened- he never followed though, Casey even pointed it out to him... said she already agreed to meet, that it was already supposed to have happened but it didn't!

I think that cop "Happy" or whoever was working on her the proper way but suddenly stopped for whatever reason?! She even told mom and dad she would speak with him. I would like to know why he was taken off the case..

 

[OneLostGrl]

We don't have any info. from school records that shows KC may have had some brief therapy. The talking heads on NG after seeing the latest jail video agreed with each other that the communication going on between kC and her parents seem to show that they may have all 3 been in counseling by the vocabulary they were using. Some of the words and behavior between the 3 seemed like they were familiar with having had these types of conversations in the past.

I missed any and all type of talk like that on TV by talking heads, do you have links please?

 

[stilettos]

I have been lurking but not posting. Just reading up on your sleuthing and investigating. Finally, I have something to post. Forgive me if this has been opined. I have not seen it. Has anyone mentioned that Casey may have borderline personality disorder? The splitting, lying, always the victim, dropping friends for new ones, no feelings of guilt/always someone else's fault, chaos, stealing. On and on. Sounds like my BPD daughter. After alot of family therapy, my husband and I know a good bit about this and she appears to have a good many of the symptoms. ETA - hitting self in head after reading earlier post on borderline features. I know the hell that this disorder has wreaked on our home and I can tell you I have and would again call the police on my children should they harm ANYONE. One of my children reminded my schizo Mom of this one time when she pushed me. She told her "Granny, Mom would call the police on me or my foster sisters for that!" No idea what GA and CA are thinking.

 

[passionflower]

I have been lurking but not posting. Just reading up on your sleuthing and investigating. Finally, I have something to post. Forgive me if this has been opined. I have not seen it. Has anyone mentioned that Casey may have borderline personality disorder? The splitting, lying, always the victim, dropping friends for new ones, no feelings of guilt/always someone else's fault, chaos, stealing. On and on. Sounds like my BPD daughter. After alot of family therapy, my husband and I know a good bit about this and she appears to have a good many of the symptoms. ETA - hitting self in head after reading earlier post on borderline features. I know the hell that this disorder has wreaked on our home and I can tell you I have and would again call the police on my children should they harm ANYONE. One of my children reminded my schizo Mom of this one time when she pushed me. She told her "Granny, Mom would call the police on me or my foster sisters for that!" No idea what GA and CA are thinking.

what is borderline personality disorder?? Oh and welcome to WS!!!

 

[kageykaren]

I missed any and all type of talk like that on TV by talking heads, do you have links please?

Fri. night with NG and about 2 forensic psychologist and one or two regular psychologist speaking in a panel of six guest. This was the first time I saw so many of the TV pro's on a show together discussing the new jail house video. Even that one cute defense attorney NG has on spoke to the bad behavior displayed by KC. Hope that helps friend!

 

[passionflower]

Wouldn't after 6 months in jail, the doctors would be able to tell if kc had any BPD and be treating her with meds by now? Seems she is something they can't treat with drugs.........beyond that point........IMO

 

[stilettos]

what is borderline personality disorder?? Oh and welcome to WS!!!

Well, as the psychiatrist explained to us: Cycles of psychosis. The person is not ALWAYS out of touch with reality. Some borderlines can be high functioning and maintain employment. Always problems with intrapersonal relationships. Major splitting issues. Some suicidal ideation/or use of it fro attention or to get out of conflict. Our daughter was Baker Acted - taken by police as a danger to herself or others to the hospital 63 times by 18. Many doctors refuse to take borderlines as patients because of the manipulation, chaos and difficulty dealing with them. Our girl is 26 on Tues and still cannot remain in the same home more than 2-3 months before people get tired of the lying and playing the victim. She cannot keep a job though she is a genius. More than you wanted to know huh?

 

[stilettos]

Wouldn't after 6 months in jail, the doctors would be able to tell if kc had any BPD and be treating her with meds by now? Seems she is something they can't treat with drugs.........beyond that point........IMO

They tried MANY different drugs for my daughter. So far none work execpt for straight sedation. (for when she is in the padded room) Nothing has touched the true personality disfunction. We have been taught some coping mechanisms for her behavior, but those are for us...they don't help her.

 

[nancy botwin]

huh, interesting stuff! I don't remember Russell posting that LOL I wonder if I knew it at the time, it's been awhile. While I notice George seems to be playing this game, nothing he said happened- he never followed though, Casey even pointed it out to him... said she already agreed to meet, that it was already supposed to have happened but it didn't!

I think that cop "Happy" or whoever was working on her the proper way but suddenly stopped for whatever reason?! She even told mom and dad she would speak with him. I would like to know why he was taken off the case..

Casey does have a tendency to indicate she already knows and understands everything, even when she clearly doesn't. I don't really think Casey knew about the meeting George proposed in advance, because minutes earlier she was droning about how she just wished she could be in a room with her family and speak privately with them. Then when George says this is possible she sidesteps and says she knows all that. I think this was all new information to her and she just handled it in her standard way. But that's just my opinion. The August 14 interview also took place at 9 am and ended with Casey's assurance that she'd write that note to Sherriff Beary right away, but as I remember, she gave her note to a guard rather late that evening-- sometime after 11 pm-- she was putting it off until JB could stop it, IMO.

I don't know what happened to the Happy detective and would also be interested to know!

I missed any and all type of talk like that on TV by talking heads, do you have links please?

As I remember, it was on JVM last night and the panel was essentially lauding Cindy and George for their communication style and the way they handle Casey. They said it was clear Cindy and George had some therapy and were excellent parents showing appropriate emotions and reactions. This thread popped into my head instantly and I imagined collective groans echoing across WS. :crazy:

 

[kageykaren]

They tried MANY different drugs for my daughter. So far none work execpt for straight sedation. (for when she is in the padded room) Nothing has touched the true personality disfunction. We have been taught some coping mechanisms for her behavior, but those are for us...they don't help her.

Thank you for sharing and welcome to the boards. Your insight from a parents perspective is pretty valuable here. With all the medications out there in the psychiatric world it seems so difficult to believe that medications for these disorders just don't help much. Sometimes when a patient is having an episode I think they want the relief from the tranqulizer as much as the family. In what ways did therapy help you in how you reacted to your daughters acting out behavior and did it help you when she was hospitalized. So many questions, don't leave and only answer if you wish.

 

[chelle70]

Casey does have a tendency to indicate she already knows and understands everything, even when she clearly doesn't. I don't really think Casey knew about the meeting George proposed in advance, because minutes earlier she was droning about how she just wished she could be in a room with her family and speak privately with them. Then when George says this is possible she sidesteps and says she knows all that. I think this was all new information to her and she just handled it in her standard way. But that's just my opinion.

Oh, I totally have the same opinion. I was getting rather annoyed w/ how many times she said she "already knew" things. No one need tell her anything b/c she is omniscient. Please!:bang:

 

[stilettos]

Thank you for sharing and welcome to the boards. Your insight from a parents perspective is pretty valuable here. With all the medications out there in the psychiatric world it seems so difficult to believe that medications for these disorders just don't help much. Sometimes when a patient is having an episode I think they want the relief from the tranqulizer as much as the family. In what ways did therapy help you in how you reacted to your daughters acting out behavior and did it help you when she was hospitalized. So many questions, don't leave and only answer if you wish.

Therapy helped my husband and I both. For our marriage, communication got better. Knowing what splitting was and stopping her from pitting us against each other. Dealing with the guilt. My bio Mom has mental illness. Knowing that it was okay to put her inpatient and that we were helping her. Learning not to get caught up in the content of her arguments and lies. Our social worker actually wrote up a letter for law enforcement indicating that kids with this disorder sometimes fabricate stories of abuse. We were trained in the hospital for theraputic holding to prevent her from harming herself or others. Actually, we brought homw our foster daughter from the hospital my daughter was in after being trained. LOL can you say glutton for punishment. We are stronger and happier as a couple. My daughter however still struggles mightily as we struggle with her issues. It is difficult. the major way the therapy helped me was with my anger. I was angry that we would never have the type of Mother - Daughter relationship that I felt we both deserved. I did not express my feelings AT ALL to her as she was violent. Having a safe place to express myself and knowing that I was not alone and that there were techniques to reduce the chaos and violence in my home was what helped me.

 

[kageykaren]

Thank you for sharing. You were so proactive for your daughter and for your marriage. It's difficult to think as young mothers that our children one day would need us for things besides cuts and scrapes. You are a prime example of realizing knowledge is power and where you go from there is up to you. Doesn't seem like you were an ostrich parent. Now how do you stay so young! LOL!

 

[OneLostGrl]

I totally hear ya' and I agree. The problem is, however, that it is normally only rational and mature people who conduct the kind of self-analysis necessary to good parenting, BEFORE they decide to have a child. It is the people with serious problems who have no understanding of self-analysis, of normal logic or who can even see how screwed up they actually are, who pop em' out with no foresight as to whether it is a good decision or not. That's why our foster care systems are so clogged. Society is asking people to make better decisions for themselves and their children, or potential children, while knowing that many of those people have no ability or skills to do so. So, what's the answer?

And my point is *many* dysfunctional, irrational and immature people who have no clue wtf self-analysis even IS have children and find enough common sense to change their destructive behaviors. Dysfunctional people know deep down that they are dysfunctional. Children in dysfunctional homes know that other kids do not have to live like them. Dysfunctional people know the choices they should be making.. they are just too dysfunctional to follow through with making the proper choice.. to put forth the effort needed to change.

I'm sorry, but as someone who grew up in a dysfunctional home and lived in dysfunction until 6 years ago, I have to speak up and admit that you are really giving us way too little credit LOL. We are not unaware of our issues, we are not unware of the harm our behaviors cause our loved ones. We know how we should treat people... we just do nothing about it.

That people who have grown up in dysfunction are somehow helpless and hopeless to change because they lack some inherent "skill" or "ability" to recognize their issues.. is a dangerous message to send and could very well keep sick people sick. The days of "I can't help it, it's not my fault, I'm mentally ill" or "I was abused as a child, it's not my fault" are long gone!! We now know we have choices in life and our behaviors are a choice, no matter how misguided, dysfunctional or impulsive they may be. WE OWN them and should be held accountable! Can't handle it? Then make a better choice next time!

Every mistake I made, every arrest, every affair, my divorce, every theft, every drug binge, every drug sale, every manipulation and lie and bad check and credit card purchase and john and straight jacket and a$$ beating I got or gave, every night I slept in the back of my car- I knew I didn't have to live like that, I was dysfunctional not stupid! Dysfunctional was easier than change.

I honestly do not believe Cindy and George are so impared by their dysfunction that they lacked the ability to see what they were doing wrong in their parenting... This is not to say that I blame them for Caylee's murder because I don't. I feel very bad for both of these people, I worry that Cindy will take her life and I worry that poor George is going to take the fall for this... I am not even 100% sure in my mind that Casey is the one who did this (thought it's pretty darn close to 100%.. i still wonder..) I wish them nothing but health and happiness. I certainly think a willingness to change a DBT course or a co-dependent support group couldn't hurt Cindy and just may be her path to healing. Getting well, CAN happen!

I am going to let this go now, I respect that we have different opinons on this matter and I don't want you to feel I'm attacking you cuz I'm honestly not trying to. You have a right to feel what you do and to express it! You are a bright woman (man, oops, not sure?!) and bring up good points. I very much respect that you don't get to name calling like others have when things get heated- and they have with this discussion! You seem very likeable- we disagree on this issue, that does not mean we will disagree on every issue that ever comes up here at WS! ok? :truce:

 

[OneLostGrl]

I have been lurking but not posting. Just reading up on your sleuthing and investigating. Finally, I have something to post. Forgive me if this has been opined. I have not seen it. Has anyone mentioned that Casey may have borderline personality disorder? The splitting, lying, always the victim, dropping friends for new ones, no feelings of guilt/always someone else's fault, chaos, stealing. On and on. Sounds like my BPD daughter. After alot of family therapy, my husband and I know a good bit about this and she appears to have a good many of the symptoms. ETA - hitting self in head after reading earlier post on borderline features. I know the hell that this disorder has wreaked on our home and I can tell you I have and would again call the police on my children should they harm ANYONE. One of my children reminded my schizo Mom of this one time when she pushed me. She told her "Granny, Mom would call the police on me or my foster sisters for that!" No idea what GA and CA are thinking.

Welcome to WS I see many Borderline features in Casey. I also see them in Cindy.

I 'm sorry about the trouble you have had with your daughter! :blowkiss: