Casey & Family Psychological Profile #8

[FootballMom]

Great post. I have the greatest empathy for the situation she was forced to grow up in. I do think she is the victim of emotional abuse and parental manipulation at a minimum.

But I don't think being a victim explains the why some commits heinous acts against others. The vast vast majority of victims of parental abuse do not become criminals.

I hope I did the respectfully snipping right... thank you for the compliment, I don't receive those very often (LOL!)

I almost went back to my post to add similar statement that I bolded above (i hope). I don't think being a victim is a valid excuse to commit heinous acts but I do think that it offers insight into why they did.

Although you can put me on record; if anyone caused harm to my son (molested or killed him).. I would want to kill them with my bare hands and feel no remorse. I would drive myself to the jail and tell them to book me. I wasn't the victim and killing another person isn't legal but I wouldn't need a jury to tell me I was guilty. I'd say, yep... I did it and I am glad that i did.... but that is just me....

 

[claudicici]

footballmom,thank you so much for your previous posts,i think it was right on...i totally agree....i also agree that being a victim does not excuse anyone,no way no how....but it does help understand....and don't we all try to understand what drove this girl to commiting this unexplainably cruel act...we heard more than once that she claimed to be abused by her brother,by her father but never once did she dare to let anyone know the truth....not once did she confide in anyone that truly she was abused by her mother...i do not feel sorry for casey ,don't get me wrong...but i do understand...what she went through is equal to being raped imo,there was no possible way for her to get out or so it seemed ...

 

[affinity]

I have been thinking about that tattoo and how KC so desperately wanted her "own" life. She was incapable of earning her own life--but she wanted it nonetheless.

It is normal to be a little irked by your uppity beautiful daughter when you yourself are becoming more and more of a frump. But, in CA's case she had the added feature of never looking anything at all like her more beautiful daughter. CA she really loved/hated KC and sought to put her down continually.

Imagine the control CA was able to exert over KC beginning at a very early age--CA likely belittled KC continually and demeaned her in every effort to keep KC in her place. THEN CA had the audacity to "make" KC own up to her "mistake" by making her keep Caylee. Conversely nothing KC ever did was "good enough" so CA took over completely--even holding Caylee first etcetera etcetera etcetera.

It is so clear that CA loved Caylee more than Casey--CA even said that in the police interview --something like "I don't care where Casey is--I only care about Caylee".

We all hate what happened to Caylee (I do!)--most people hate KC because of what she did. But I do see KC as a victim too. (unpopular to admit this, I know). I believe that when KC killed Caylee (or allowed her to drown in the pool) she entered a [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugue_state"]fugue state[/ame] brought on by a lifetime of abuse. This is why KC isn't smiling and waving at her parents anymore in the courtroom. I'm betting the abuse angle will be the defense.

 

[MidAtlanticNative]

Or when she realized she could use it to get what she wanted from boys. Her sexual comments in her texts always came across to me as if it was a commodity.

Well, she was pregnant at 19, and had a history with guys, before that.

My guess is, however, that it started in her late teens. When the hormones got hit with the idea of adult freedoms (but not adult responsibilitIes).

(bold mine)

I agree. Many girls these days begin to wield their sexual power much earlier than it appears Casey did; but it's clear that once she got a taste, she was off and running.

(I do believe though that she was pretty tame throughout the majority of her teens, as I stated in an earlier post.)

 

[kageykaren]

footballmom,thank you so much for your previous posts,i think it was right on...i totally agree....i also agree that being a victim does not excuse anyone,no way no how....but it does help understand....and don't we all try to understand what drove this girl to commiting this unexplainably cruel act...we heard more than once that she claimed to be abused by her brother,by her father but never once did she dare to let anyone know the truth....not once did she confide in anyone that truly she was abused by her mother...i do not feel sorry for casey ,don't get me wrong...but i do understand...what she went through is equal to being raped imo,there was no possible way for her to get out or so it seemed ...

Respectively I must disagree. We aren't privy to what life was like in the meticulous A home, but we all have varying ideas. Remember a liar is incarcerated for murder. With this in mind we can't say that KC statements of being abused by brother or father, a past boyfriend, a stranger holds any baring. This doesn't mean this may have happened, there just aren't facts to the public to back this up until KC starts openning her mouth and that may be awhile. KC was out and about for the past yr for sure. Although KC days with Caylee can't be accounted for KC was wipping around Orlando area like a pro. She had alot of people showing support after Caylee was born offering KC a chance to grow, fullfill an education, have young woman playtime with friends. To me this shows the sense of entitlement we all refer to when speaking of the A's. With all this financial, emotional help provided for KC, it just wasn't good enough. Sometimes I feel that KC just murdered Caylee for the simple reason of not wanting the responsibilty and not having a bond with Caylee made the murder that much easier. I put KC right in the ranks of all these murderers hiding behind the mask of being normal. The only difference is the manner of the murders causing the same outcomb of a vicious, callous, cold blooded act. Honestly, nothing in the A home warranted the murder of Caylee and to be thrown in a woods, bagged like other murdered children, less the concrete and suitcases and possible dismemberent. Regardless of how KC carrys herself she is no different than these other monsters.

 

[spartanmom]

I just love this thread!!! Everybody has such good opinions on the psychological profile of the A's......So, IF KC is in a Fugue State,(which by the way I have never heard of this, and I love researching this stuff), ...so is she still in a disassociative state & what do you think will bring her out of it, if she ever comes out of it??

I agree there is a history of verbal and mental abuse, and like someone on here posted earlier I would like to know what CA & GA childhoods were like, not that it changes anything, I am just curious.

I suffer from ongoing depression, anxiety, OCD and am the only one in my family with the disease......I have spent time in the hospital, therapy, counseling, medication,etc....and have never really found the causes, if there are any, from my past ......so, yes, I do think that sometimes it's just a mixture of DNA, etc. .....However, given what we know and have seen from CA & GA, I do think KA's "problems" related back to her childhood and upbringing......and NO I DO NOT THINK THAT SHE SHOULD BE FOUND NOT GUILTY.........she obviously murdered Caylee.....I hope someday there are studies done on this case and we will know about it and have access to the reading material......ok, I will quit rambling......just my thoughts right now!!!,....LOL

 

[Brini]

footballmom,thank you so much for your previous posts,i think it was right on...i totally agree....i also agree that being a victim does not excuse anyone,no way no how....but it does help understand....and don't we all try to understand what drove this girl to commiting this unexplainably cruel act...we heard more than once that she claimed to be abused by her brother,by her father but never once did she dare to let anyone know the truth....not once did she confide in anyone that truly she was abused by her mother...i do not feel sorry for casey ,don't get me wrong...but i do understand...what she went through is equal to being raped imo,there was no possible way for her to get out or so it seemed ...

She told one boyfriend, that LA "tried to touch her, once, when they were in middle school." She once said that GA abused her (non-specific). She also said that CA abused her.

She never told anyone that she was raped. She was never afraid of GA or LA, and she was never afraid to leave Caylee with either of them.

Then, there is also the fact that KC lied prolifically, including about her family

But, if what KC went through was equivalent to rape, many people on this list were also raped. And, neither have considered murder, nor continue to feel sorry for ourselves, not refuse to be productive.

A lot of people come from dysfunctional, or even abusive homes. Most of them grow up and become productive. The smart ones learn from it, and break the cycle.

 

[Brini]

I just love this thread!!! Everybody has such good opinions on the psychological profile of the A's......So, IF KC is in a Fugue State,(which by the way I have never heard of this, and I love researching this stuff), ...so is she still in a disassociative state & what do you think will bring her out of it, if she ever comes out of it??

I agree there is a history of verbal and mental abuse, and like someone on here posted earlier I would like to know what CA & GA childhoods were like, not that it changes anything, I am just curious.

I suffer from ongoing depression, anxiety, OCD and am the only one in my family with the disease......I have spent time in the hospital, therapy, counseling, medication,etc....and have never really found the causes, if there are any, from my past ......so, yes, I do think that sometimes it's just a mixture of DNA, etc. .....However, given what we know and have seen from CA & GA, I do think KA's "problems" related back to her childhood and upbringing......and NO I DO NOT THINK THAT SHE SHOULD BE FOUND NOT GUILTY.........she obviously murdered Caylee.....I hope someday there are studies done on this case and we will know about it and have access to the reading material......ok, I will quit rambling......just my thoughts right now!!!,....LOL

I am SO sorry! That is one miserable disorder!

If it's any comfort, aboput 10% of the population suffers from clinical depression, at one time or another.

But, severe, ongoing Major Depressive Disorder is often endogenous (caused by an inheritable neurological deficit).

Briefly, one doesn't have enough usable serotonin and/or norepineprine to fire the "synapss" effecitively. Like a battery with insufficient battery acid.

People who don't feel beter on an SSRI (like Prozac, helps with the serotonin problem) get better on an SNRI (a drug that treats the norepinephrine problem).

Have the newer antidepressants been tried?

 

[Brini]

I hope I did the respectfully snipping right... thank you for the compliment, I don't receive those very often (LOL!)

I almost went back to my post to add similar statement that I bolded above (i hope). I don't think being a victim is a valid excuse to commit heinous acts but I do think that it offers insight into why they did.

Although you can put me on record; if anyone caused harm to my son (molested or killed him).. I would want to kill them with my bare hands and feel no remorse. I would drive myself to the jail and tell them to book me. I wasn't the victim and killing another person isn't legal but I wouldn't need a jury to tell me I was guilty. I'd say, yep... I did it and I am glad that i did.... but that is just me....

Agree! If anyone hurt one of mine, he'd PRAY that the cops got there first!

 

[Brini]

I just love this thread!!! Everybody has such good opinions on the psychological profile of the A's......So, IF KC is in a Fugue State,(which by the way I have never heard of this, and I love researching this stuff), ...so is she still in a disassociative state & what do you think will bring her out of it, if she ever comes out of it??

I agree there is a history of verbal and mental abuse, and like someone on here posted earlier I would like to know what CA & GA childhoods were like, not that it changes anything, I am just curious.

I suffer from ongoing depression, anxiety, OCD and am the only one in my family with the disease......I have spent time in the hospital, therapy, counseling, medication,etc....and have never really found the causes, if there are any, from my past ......so, yes, I do think that sometimes it's just a mixture of DNA, etc. .....However, given what we know and have seen from CA & GA, I do think KA's "problems" related back to her childhood and upbringing......and NO I DO NOT THINK THAT SHE SHOULD BE FOUND NOT GUILTY.........she obviously murdered Caylee.....I hope someday there are studies done on this case and we will know about it and have access to the reading material......ok, I will quit rambling......just my thoughts right now!!!,....LOL

She not in a fugue (disocciative) state. She knows who and where she is and what she's doing all the time.

If she was in a fugue state, she would not have been able to, not would she have consistently covered up, lied and misled.

Particularly, she would not have refused to report the baby missing. There would have been no "31 days."

She would have cooperated fully, and not made up stories about "Zanny the Nanny," because she would not have known what happened to Caylee.

She also would not have hidden the baby in the trunk, or tried to clean it, after the baby was gone.

Fugue is awfully rare. I doesn't apply, here.

 

[Brini]

I have been thinking about that tattoo and how KC so desperately wanted her "own" life. She was incapable of earning her own life--but she wanted it nonetheless.

It is normal to be a little irked by your uppity beautiful daughter when you yourself are becoming more and more of a frump. But, in CA's case she had the added feature of never looking anything at all like her more beautiful daughter. CA she really loved/hated KC and sought to put her down continually.

Imagine the control CA was able to exert over KC beginning at a very early age--CA likely belittled KC continually and demeaned her in every effort to keep KC in her place. THEN CA had the audacity to "make" KC own up to her "mistake" by making her keep Caylee. Conversely nothing KC ever did was "good enough" so CA took over completely--even holding Caylee first etcetera etcetera etcetera.

It is so clear that CA loved Caylee more than Casey--CA even said that in the police interview --something like "I don't care where Casey is--I only care about Caylee".

We all hate what happened to Caylee (I do!)--most people hate KC because of what she did. But I do see KC as a victim too. (unpopular to admit this, I know). I believe that when KC killed Caylee (or allowed her to drown in the pool) she entered a fugue state brought on by a lifetime of abuse. This is why KC isn't smiling and waving at her parents anymore in the courtroom. I'm betting the abuse angle will be the defense.

The abuse angle might come up. But, many criminals try that (and many criminals WERE abused). It almost never works as a defense.

And, it would be hard for her to evidence that. Most people saw a young woman who came and went as she chose, stole from her family, without being stopped or punished, and screamed curses back at them, during family fights.

 

[Brini]

I have seen a possible diagnosis for Casey listed as APD. What are the differences between a sociopath and someone with Antisocial personality disorder ? Thanks in advance !

Same thing. DSM switches names around, every few years.

 

[Jolynna]

The abuse angle might come up. But, many criminals try that (and many criminals WERE abused). It almost never works as a defense.

And, it would be hard for her to evidence that. Most people saw a young woman who came and went as she chose, stole from her family, without being stopped or punished, and screamed curses back at them, during family fights.

I agree.

If coming from a dysfunctional home was a valid excuse, prisons would be empty.

 

[essies]

Just like the Boy Who Cried wolf-It will be very hard to know when any of the A's are actually speaking TRUTH! They lie to LE, they lie to the public-H3LL they lie to themselves. I'm not sure if they would know the truth if it came bit them in the :silenced:!!
I think alot of their anger comes out of frushtration that we (LE, the media, the public-including us sad bloggers) won't play by the same rules that they have been playing with each other for years.
"Don't ask me no questions-I'll tell you no lies!":furious:

 

[MaedchenX]

Since people seem to think the defense might raise Casey's difficult home life/upbringing/alleged abuse to give insight into her behavior, I wanted to ask how people think the family would respond to this tactic. Will they allow themselves to be steamrolled and scrutinized? Will they echo or testify against Casey's allegations of them? Just curious..

 

[wonders]

I hope I do not offend anyone here.
In Casey's mind it is all about her and always has been.
Casey is a cold blooded killer period, done and over.
I really get tired of these horrible people using the abuse excuse and other excuses to try to rationalize their crimes. To me it is just a bunch of bologna. You did it. We know you did it so just fess up. Get out of your fantasy world.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Since people seem to think the defense might raise Casey's difficult home life/upbringing/alleged abuse to give insight into her behavior, I wanted to ask how people think the family would respond to this tactic. Will they allow themselves to be steamrolled and scrutinized? Will they echo or testify against Casey's allegations of them? Just curious..

:cheerful: Good questions. Gonna be an interesting read. Can't wait. I think it will be the end of the A's.

 

[MAMABEAR]

I hope I do not offend anyone here.
In Casey's mind it is all about her and always has been.
Casey is a cold blooded killer period, done and over.
I really get tired of these horrible people using the abuse excuse and other excuses to try to rationalize their crimes. To me it is just a bunch of bologna. You did it. We know you did it so just fess up. Get out of your fantasy world.

Don't know why it would offend anybody---truer words were never spoken. I am ready for the chit to hit the fan here. Lets git on with this trial---just git er dun.

 

[essies]

Since people seem to think the defense might raise Casey's difficult home life/upbringing/alleged abuse to give insight into her behavior, I wanted to ask how people think the family would respond to this tactic. Will they allow themselves to be steamrolled and scrutinized? Will they echo or testify against Casey's allegations of them? Just curious..

Good question! Will they sacrifice themselves for her and willingly lay down :spinner: in front of the bus? Or will they finally say "She's a lying :silenced:!!!

 

[Brini]

I actually started to giggle as I read your question. No, I do not believe for a moment it was real. I think he was jealous of Cindy's mutual-admiration-society relationship with George Casey, so GA got miffed and took himself off to a motel (texting them all the way) where he registered under his own name. (Easier for the proprietor to call the police when news of GA's disappearance was broadcast) LOL.

To facilitate his "suicide," he brought along some beer (or was it liquor?) and a couple bottles of thyroid pills or something virtually harmless. Leaving his gun behind, he then sat in his motel room, drinking a little, and unhurriedly composing an 8 page suicide note. (That must be a record for length of a suicide note). In that note he claimed he was going to kill himself "because he couldn't protect his family." (Killing onesself being a better way to protect one's embattled family?) and hoping his wife found a better mate (George Anthony, perhaps?).

IMO: A pathetic, selfish, dramatic, disgusting attempt at grandstanding and evoking the pitying regret of CA, GA, and an entire nation. To my everlasting embarrassment, I fell for it--hook, line, and sinker for about one week.

Don't feel bad. I bought it for over a month.