Casey to GA "We need to stick together on this." 8/14/08 Jail Visit

[Woe.be.gone]

I'll tell you when I suspected GA had knowledge of some sort. It was during the interview with Greta. CA was walking along side Greta and they were walking in the backyard toward the pool. GA lagged behind a bit and was looking down and the way he looked I thought "he knows something". But since I don't know, I can only go by the impression I picked up at the time. That one was pretty strong for me and I can still see him when I think about it.

 

[sc2714]

GA's story about getting that car triangle thing out of the car... I can't get past it. From my recollection, the story changed a little, which means someone is changing details, and all the stories point to George being within smelling distance of the car.

I do not like the idea of either of GA of CA being involved or covering up for KC. I hate to think that they would do that. But at this point, anything is possible and it wouldn't surprise me.

A big reason that I do doubt that the A's are covering for KC is her behavior towards them recently. Not looking at them during the hearings, pretending they don't exist. That's not how you treat two people who are consistently lying to LE for you.

 

[Just Jayla]

My opinion has been and still is that they are doing everything in their power to make sure she gets convicted.

Just their backwards way of doing things! Seriously, I do think that at least once upon a time, they wanted her convicted, even if for only a 'minute'. Don't know anymore.
The defense will try to use all of the above to demonstrate that KC has been a passenger on the crazy train her whole life. It will be up to Lee Skywalker to save the day and give a "true" depiction of his mom. Is she Mommy Dearest, or June Cleaver with a hard headed, psychotic daughter?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Either way, his stories were on weak legs for that time period....

I've yet to figure out why the gas can story - why would it behoove GA to report those gas cans missing on June 24? Was he trying to establish that people do come into his backyard and use/take things out of it? How many other times had KC "borrowed" those gas cans? Why would he report that to LE? Was it because the lock had literally been broken (as testified by TL) or what other reason could there be? When KC did show up later that day, he is unclear as to whether or not he ever made it to the trunk of the Pontiac. His intention was to retrieve the tire changing tool. I can't imagine him retreating from his mission because KC told him not to go there. Was he trying to establish an alibi that the trunk didn't smell on that day or was he covering for himself in case someone happened to see him at the rear of the Pontiac with KC on June 24?

 

[Just Jayla]

I'll tell you when I suspected GA had knowledge of some sort. It was during the interview with Greta. CA was walking along side Greta and they were walking in the backyard toward the pool. GA lagged behind a bit and was looking down and the way he looked I thought "he knows something". But since I don't know, I can only go by the impression I picked up at the time. That one was pretty strong for me and I can still see him when I think about it.

Watch him on LKL, too-He was either lying, or he saw the GEICO money stack floating around LK's desk, because he kept looking down, around, sideways....everywhere but at Larry.

 

[Just Jayla]

I've yet to figure out why the gas can story - why would it behoove GA to report those gas cans missing on June 24? Was he trying to establish that people do come into his backyard and use/take things out of it? How many other times had KC "borrowed" those gas cans? Why would he report that to LE? Was it because the lock had literally been broken (as testified by TL) or what other reason could there be? When KC did show up later that day, he is unclear as to whether or not he ever made it to the trunk of the Pontiac. His intention was to retrieve the tire changing tool. I can't imagine him retreating from his mission because KC told him not to go there. Was he trying to establish an alibi that the trunk didn't smell on that day or was he covering for himself in case someone happened to see him at the rear of the Pontiac with KC on June 24?

Excellent...I am going to play his interview while I type, see what I can hear after the 5000th listen....
BTW and O/T, all should re-listen to JH's LE interview....I listened to it last night and forgot some of the little things he let slip. Will have to listen more to him as well and bring his thread back up-He may be pretty important here very soon to unlocking the DC angle.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I understand what you are saying - me also. What about the guy in the computer store who claims to have seen them on the afternoon of the 16th. Is that still flying or have I missed it being ruled out as another wannabe?

If the video tapes (with proven dates) are available, then they would be proof of a human that saw KC with Caylee outside of the A triangle. The pings don't support what he originally said without bending and twisting them to fit the scenario he claims happened - what? the year before?

It is beyond me how people can come out of the woodwork with vital information and peeps will just take the word of what they are claiming. I don't as there can be behind the scenes reasons for occurances such as these. It was like someone realized they must establish another witness outside the immediate family. That's how it felt to me anyway. Why the guy would do that, I don't know. He's on the Witness list I guess. He seems like a smart enough guy to know he'd better have more evidence than just his word that long after the fact. Maybe he does but we haven't seen it.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

GA's story about getting that car triangle thing out of the car... I can't get past it. From my recollection, the story changed a little, which means someone is changing details, and all the stories point to George being within smelling distance of the car.

I do not like the idea of either of GA of CA being involved or covering up for KC. I hate to think that they would do that. But at this point, anything is possible and it wouldn't surprise me.

A big reason that I do doubt that the A's are covering for KC is her behavior towards them recently. Not looking at them during the hearings, pretending they don't exist. That's not how you treat two people who are consistently lying to LE for you.

Do you mean that it seems like she's angrier than ever at them? Like why in the h*ll am I still sitting in here and you're out there? Some peeps say she would never take the blame for one of them or anybody but who knows if they've assured her that there is no proof of her guilt and to hang in there. Plus how would they all live (make a living) if CA was behind bars?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Watch him on LKL, too-He was either lying, or he saw the GEICO money stack floating around LK's desk, because he kept looking down, around, sideways....everywhere but at Larry.

I remember saying outloud, "Come on GA, you can do it, tell the truth now." He looked so putrid(sp). CA was going on and on without a prob but GA looked VERY uncomfortable.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

duplicate - sorry.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

iirc CA told LE over the phone something about remembering that she found the pool ladder up against the pool one day. She called GA and asked him if he had used the pool, etc. He said "no". So they chalked it up to neighborhood kids who must have walked into their backyard, used the pool and left leaving the gate open.

The above is from my memory so I may have the details wrong.

Bolded by me. I find it very hard to believe knowing what the neighborhood thinks of CA and her neighborhood's nickname for her, that youngsters in the neighborhood would just go into the A's backyard, pull the ladder out and take a leisurely swim when at any moment the Neighborhood B*t^* could come home and catch them. Nope that scenario never did fly with me.

The other point is...CA & GA, eventhough, they stated they would walk to the ends of the earth to find Caylee, they never even walked around the block. GA droove the mobile billboard a while and JMO was to get away from CA but out really searching for Caylee, they never did. All those tips CA was supposed to have received, not one time did CA or GA go to or follow up on those tips. For whatever reason the A's did far less than other people of missing children. Natalie Holloway's Mom always comes to my mind, she did go to the ends of the earth to find her daughter.

 

[Just Jayla]

I have to agree with you that someone helped Casey dispose of Caylee. Although I don't feel Casey was there to see where Caylee would be placed initially or moved eventually, but someone, IMO, clearly did. I felt this from day 1 when GA described the events of June 24th.

I always believed Casey's statement regarding: "I don't know where Caylee is" and based that solely on the fact that someone else moved Caylee the first time.

What transpired from June 24th on was clearly orchestrated by someone with a lot of investigative background.

I have also believed Casey statement: "She is close to home" , of which, we all know why now.

Casey's original statements have some truth in them and of course "mis-truths".

Patty's post from another thread-Good stuff and fits with some of the theories here about GA.

 

[sc2714]

Do you mean that it seems like she's angrier than ever at them? Like why in the h*ll am I still sitting in here and you're out there? Some peeps say she would never take the blame for one of them or anybody but who knows if they've assured her that there is no proof of her guilt and to hang in there. Plus how would they all live (make a living) if CA was behind bars?

I actually wasn't thinking of it that way... but you are right.

On one hand, I see KC as very self-absorbed and would never take the blame for something she did not do. On the other hand, if she knows that CA and GA know what happened, she can't tell that to anyone, because it would mean that she also knew what happened.

I don't think whatever happened to Caylee was anyone but KC's doing, but I can easily believe that her family knows more than they are telling, and know that if they share what they know, KC will be getting the needle at some point in the future.

 

[Darla]

GA's story about getting that car triangle thing out of the car... I can't get past it. From my recollection, the story changed a little, which means someone is changing details, and all the stories point to George being within smelling distance of the car.

I do not like the idea of either of GA of CA being involved or covering up for KC. I hate to think that they would do that. But at this point, anything is possible and it wouldn't surprise me.

A big reason that I do doubt that the A's are covering for KC is her behavior towards them recently. Not looking at them during the hearings, pretending they don't exist. That's not how you treat two people who are consistently lying to LE for you.

IMO I really believe the A's are covering for her.

BBM
It is when you're a spoiled sociopathic brat!

 

[sc2714]

IMO I really believe the A's are covering for her.

BBM
It is when you're a spoiled sociopathic brat!

True.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Bolded by me. I find it very hard to believe knowing what the neighborhood thinks of CA and her neighborhood's nickname for her, that youngsters in the neighborhood would just go into the A's backyard, pull the ladder out and take a leisurely swim when at any moment the Neighborhood B*t^* could come home and catch them. Nope that scenario never did fly with me.

The other point is...CA & GA, eventhough, they stated they would walk to the ends of the earth to find Caylee, they never even walked around the block. GA droove the mobile billboard a while and JMO was to get away from CA but out really searching for Caylee, they never did. All those tips CA was supposed to have received, not one time did CA or GA go to or follow up on those tips. For whatever reason the A's did far less than other people of missing children. Natalie Holloway's Mom always comes to my mind, she did go to the ends of the earth to find her daughter.

This excellent point that you make is probably the most compelling reason to believe that, at the very least, they knew that Caylee was deceased by the time the searches began. To top that off, CA had the nerve to complain that there had not been an Amber Alert issued (but thought it to be no big deal that her daughter waited to mention to anyone that Caylee was missing). CA's thinking defies logic and is another example of her ability to always place blame elsewhere. For instance, they didn't pick up the Pontiac in a timely fashion due to the placement of the notice on the front door, blah, blah, blah - she always has an excuse ready that is sort of believable. When you lump them all together, you see that it is all b.s. As I type this, I'm sure they knew/know what happened to Caylee prior to KC's arrest.

Now I'm sitting here wondering what LE has on KC that is concrete. Otherwise, why haven't they come down hard on the parents? Surely, LE is not oblivious to their tactics. :waitasec:

Sometimes I wonder, if there was anybody else involved after the fact, if they have rendered a confession of their part in the matter - case closed.

 

[treeseeker]

You've made some very good points, Woe.be.gone.

Perhaps on June 24, GA did smell something. KC told him she ran over a cat/dog (something heavy enough), and had it in a bag, claiming she didn't know what to do with it. GA offered to take care of it. He put the bag in the back yard, over in the corner where all those red flags were placed by LE. Later, he took the bag over to Suburban, using the empty sand bag to line his own trunk. He thought he'd gotten rid of an animal, until 7/15.

This could explain why KC wanted to speak to GA alone, and the "we need to stick together" comment. It could also explain why CA searched her own yard, and asked LE to - she knew she'd smelled something - but GA is reeling over the possibility of what happened and his potential involvement and did not tell her, nor anyone else.

IMO, speculation

 

[Just Jayla]

You've made some very good points, Woe.be.gone.

Perhaps on June 24, GA did smell something. KC told him she ran over a cat/dog (something heavy enough), and had it in a bag, claiming she didn't know what to do with it. GA offered to take care of it. He put the bag in the back yard, over in the corner where all those red flags were placed by LE. Later, he took the bag over to Suburban, using the empty sand bag to line his own trunk. He thought he'd gotten rid of an animal, until 7/15.

This could explain why KC wanted to speak to GA alone, and the "we need to stick together" comment. It could also explain why CA searched her own yard, and asked LE to - she knew she'd smelled something - but GA is reeling over the possibility of what happened and his potential involvement and did not tell her, nor anyone else.

IMO, speculation

We are getting closer here!! My reservation with your theory is that I have to wonder if GA would have looked in the bag, considering CA was looking for KC & Caylee by then.
Or was she? KC talked to CA a couple different times after about 3:00 p.m., so maybe CA was not panicked yet. In GA's account, he says that he mentioned to KC about how 'mom and me would like to see Caylee,' but he did not tell LE that it was really urgent at that point.

 

[treeseeker]

We are getting closer here!! My reservation with your theory is that I have to wonder if GA would have looked in the bag, considering CA was looking for KC & Caylee by then.
Or was she? KC talked to CA a couple different times after about 3:00 p.m., so maybe CA was not panicked yet. In GA's account, he says that he mentioned to KC about how 'mom and me would like to see Caylee,' but he did not tell LE that it was really urgent at that point.

I agree with you about suspicion by 6/24. I suspect G&A aren't being truthful about their problems with KC leading up to Caylee's death. As for looking in the bag, I can't imagine him placing the body where he did (if he did) if he knew.

 

[ynotdivein]

Perhaps on June 24, GA did smell something. KC told him she ran over a cat/dog (something heavy enough), and had it in a bag, claiming she didn't know what to do with it. GA offered to take care of it. He put the bag in the back yard, over in the corner where all those red flags were placed by LE. Later, he took the bag over to Suburban, using the empty sand bag to line his own trunk. He thought he'd gotten rid of an animal, until 7/15.

This could explain why KC wanted to speak to GA alone, and the "we need to stick together" comment. It could also explain why CA searched her own yard, and asked LE to - she knew she'd smelled something - but GA is reeling over the possibility of what happened and his potential involvement and did not tell her, nor anyone else.

Respectfully snipped and BBM.

Stimulating points, WBG and treeseeker... Were GA's and CA's cars searched or forensically examined? If so, when?

ETA: Though I agree with JustJayla's point about looking in the bag. I mean, given the circumstances, wouldn't curiosity have gotten the better of him? Especially with his LE leanings, and a pretty consistent description of what The Smell smelled like? Or did it not smell like that yet? Argh, brain pretzels.