Casey's Body Language and Reactionary Comments#3

[Phumi]

Wow, well that is pretty important work. And who could have guessed that. Just kidding!

But Dr. Glass didn't say anything that hasn't been said here many times before, did she? We've proposed it all before here and discussed it here.
It could be true, or it may not be true. If she's convicted, that won't make it true if it's not. The truth will remain, whatever it is.

Regarding the check fraud plea deal, Casey was pleading guilty. Then we take a frame out of the footage and say, 'See, this gesture means guilt', etc. Woo, spooky!
Only teasing. I just consider Dr. Glass one professional giving considered opinions, not an oracle or lie detector.

p.s. I didn't say her studies were for entertainment, I was talking about the soundbytes like this for the tabloid/popular media.

Dr. Glass didn't say KC's body language said "I'm guilty." She said her gestures indicated that she was being deceptive when she said she was sorry and took full responsibility for her actions.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Wow, well that is pretty important work. And who could have guessed that. Just kidding!

But Dr. Glass didn't say anything that hasn't been said here many times before, did she? We've proposed it all before here and discussed it here.
It could be true, or it may not be true. If she's convicted, that won't make it true if it's not. The truth will remain, whatever it is.

Regarding the check fraud plea deal, Casey was pleading guilty. Then we take a frame out of the footage and say, 'See, this gesture means guilt', etc. Woo, spooky!
Only teasing. I just consider Dr. Glass one professional giving considered opinions, not an oracle or lie detector.

p.s. I didn't say her studies were for entertainment, I was talking about the soundbytes like this for the tabloid/popular media.

bbm~

no offense seagull, but KC was front and center on video writing checks on Amy's account, so it's not as if anyone could possibly think she was not guilty, you know? No getting around that one, no matter how much spin JB or the A's put on it. Unless she has body double (now,that's spooky, lol!) that coincidently also had access to Amy's things @ the same time. Kinda surprised KC didn't try that now that I think about it!


As you said we all have our own interpretations of someones body language and although I think I am pretty good at it, :dance: I quite obviously don't have the formal training that some of these folks have. (I would LOVE too though)


The FBI, btw does apparently believe in it, so I won't presume to know more than they do It's not infallible of course and just as LD, VA etc. I'm sure is probably as reliable as the person doing the reading of the body language, they know exactly what they are looking for. I've read where it's being used as a weapon to fight terror, as well! Pretty telling imho.




Anyway, here is a link to an interview on the Today Show last year w/ ex-FBI agent Joe Navarro who had written a book saying body language was an indispensable tool for catching criminals. (I know everybody has a book, right?)


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/25676169/




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Being able to read nonverbal cues can help you better understand your family, significant other and boss. For ex-FBI agent Joe Navarro this was an indispensable tool for catching criminals. In his new book, "What Every Body Is Saying," Navarro translates body language to help you hear what's really being said. ...

 

[nssherlock]

For those who thought yesterday was the first emotional out pour we have seen from Casey yet (and believe me, she almost had me fooled once until I rewound and focused on her reaction), I urge you to watch her apology again.

First of all, she clenches her jaw a lot. Then as she speaks her "apologetic" words her mouth is very tight she sticks her chin out and jerks her head back defiantly, raises her eyebrow, widens her eyes and blink rapidly, but most importantly she begins her speech with "I just wanted to let everyone know..." :waitasec: Really Casey? Shouldn't you be more concerned with your immediate group and the hell you have put them through?

That to me, just further shows she is putting on a show for "everyone". Little Miss TV star. She even addressed Amy after Judge Strickland had told her she was not to have any direct or indirect contact with Amy :banghead:

Then there were the tears she tried to squeeze out again :snooty:
As she says; "sincerely" she has already begun swiping at the phony tears subconsciously. She clenches her jaw and responds with "no" composed when his honor thanks her and asks her if there is anything is. As usual once she is given attention and a tissue, she tries even harder to force the water works.

It is very odd the way she raises her hands to her face mimicking something like I have seen George do every time she becomes "emotional" and the way she wipes her tears, something I have seen from Cindy.
The only difference, Casey seems very ritualistic and over does it. 3 minutes and 40ish seconds of Casey blotting with that tissue Andrea handed her. :crazy:

The fact that she sits down and giggles while she says something to Jose is yet even more disturbing.

Not to mention her extremely poor manners when addressing Judge S.......Not once did she say Sir or Your Honor...........it was yes, no responses from her. Just a little bit of "home training" might have saved a lot of people heartache.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I think you're right. It's easy to ham it all up for the cameras after the fact. Amy wasn't in the court yesterday and I bet if she had been, we'd have seen a very different Casey. Imagine if Amy had availed herself of the opportunity of speaking to the court.
Does JB really think he made restitution, made Amy whole with 650 or whatever dollars?? His client betrayed her BFF on every level and the money is probably the least of Amy's concerns.
JB really comes across as a complete incompetent doesn't he? I actually felt bad listening to him in court yesterday, rambling on and on and 'Going there anyway'. If he were my kids lawyer, I'd be panicking at this point.

As much as I hope Amy has been able to start moving on from this nightmare of KC's making (although it will no doubt affect her for the rest of her life and I wonder if the A's EVER think about that? I'm sure KC doesn't give 2 chits.) and I totally understand why she wasn't there. That said, I would have LOVED, LOVED to see KC's reaction if Amy had been in the courtroom! As a matter of fact what if TL, JG ..all these people were in there at some point and she had to face them? Would that not be fascinating?!

Regarding JB? IMHO he is a bumbling idi@t on every level.. So much so that when Judge Strickland was questioning KC re: her understanding of her rights, etc. I breathed a sigh of relief, lol!

If he were my kids lawyer and they wouldn't find someone at least competent, I'd be begging them to plea for their life...on second thought, if KC were my daughter..I would be begging her to plea to save her life no matter who her attorney was. There is always a minut chance that she could get that one juror (out of 20 in the world..my est. ) that doesn't think she is guilty or that there was really a nanny and that LE just never was able to break KC's code-speak :waitasec: but the odds of that are slim to none IMHO...

 

[Pondering Mind]

Not to mention her extremely poor manners when addressing Judge S.......Not once did she say Sir or Your Honor...........it was yes, no responses from her. Just a little bit of "home training" might have saved a lot of people heartache.

I noticed that too! Obviously she wasn't taught respect at home, but I still can not believe that the attorneys didn't tell her that much! Maybe they ASSumed she knew better? Prolly better they assume nothing with KC..

 

[Pondering Mind]

Takes cajones to throw a person with an education, job and apartment under the bus as a junkie and bad influence to the ne'er do well on trial for murdering a toddler.
Don't forget she was also accused of being Zanny.

Seriously,.. tells ya alot about a persons morals, values and character or lack thereof, doesn't it? :sick:

 

[nssherlock]

I noticed that too! Obviously she wasn't taught respect at home, but I still can not believe that the attorneys didn't tell her that much! Maybe they ASSumed she knew better? Prolly better they assume nothing with KC..

I thought for sure AL would whisper to her to address the judge appropriately ............but no. I did feel better though after KC's "heartfelt" apology to Amy when the Judge didn't miss a beat.........."anything else?" .......and moved on - I'm no expert but I interpreted that as his not buying her bs for even a second. Kinda the unstated Yeah Right! ...........

 

[Leila]

Leila, I would love to hear what Tonya Reiman had to say about KC. I've always been very impressed with her interpretations.


http://www.tonyareiman.com/articles/

I've heard her before and I agree.............it would be very interesting to have her take on Casey, as well as Cindy and George.

 

[Leila]

Quote Respect kaRN

Yes. I remember the judge saying that part of the "deal" was that Casey was to have no contact with Amy. So, why would JB make a statement to the fact that Casey still wants to be Amy's friend and Amy can contact his office...blah, blah blah? I'm not really asking, I am just amazed! I have reached a point where it is all starting to make me laugh-in that sad way.

"Hey Amy, come on-accept the apology-Casey wants to be your friend again!" Nuts. Even if Casey didn't kill Caylee-it is still nuts to extend a offer of "let's get together and talk about the old days" at this time. I call these "alien moves": they are when people who aren't fully human(yet)try to mimic what they think "full humans" would expect to happen, usually emotionally-and they get it wrong. Yes, we like to see people make up and become friends again, but not like this! Really, it's patheti-a-sad.

Even if I would tend to believe the "apology" I find what JB did to be too obvious. I just watched the video of his Q&A with the press. He says the RK issue is that he was not fully investigated: it's not that the defense is considering him a suspect...now I know that is a huge waffle.

What if I was with ya, Jose? I would be confused right now because I'd have been telling everyone we got our man: RK. If I keep on repeating what I'm being told by the defense, I'll keep on sounding like I don't know what I am talking about...

I have come to the realization that Casey will be found guilty, or will plead guilty. This has subdued my ire toward the whole situation but not how badly I feel about what happened to Caylee.

:cow:

Cindy has been harping this issue since the beginning. It's always that LE failed to investigate. She whines that LE only investigated Casey, and not her friends. Cindy told Yuki that she thought either AH or JG were "Zanny the nanny." She's been suspect of everyone, but not of Casey. So now the defense is picking up the drum and beating the same tune..........RK wasn't fully investigated.

Cindy's head, as well as JB's, is going to spin when we get to trial and they learn how much LE did investigate.

 

[kbl8201]

Cindy has been harping this issue since the beginning. It's always that LE failed to investigate. She whines that LE only investigated Casey, and not her friends. Cindy told Yuki that she thought either AH or JG were "Zanny the nanny." She's been suspect of everyone, but not of Casey. So now the defense is picking up the drum and beating the same tune..........RK wasn't fully investigated.

Cindy's head, as well as JB's, is going to spin when we get to trial and they learn how much LE did investigate.

denial isnt a river in egypt.
im sure this has been said many times on this board in the last 18 months......
but cindy and george deny reality simply because they refuse to believe they raised a cold blooded sociopath murderer for a daughter.

 

[Eidetic]

I thought for sure AL would whisper to her to address the judge appropriately ............but no. I did feel better though after KC's "heartfelt" apology to Amy when the Judge didn't miss a beat.........."anything else?" .......and moved on - I'm no expert but I interpreted that as his not buying her bs for even a second. Kinda the unstated Yeah Right! ...........

Casey knew it too. You could see it in her response :loser:

 

[gitana1]

this comment by baez reminded me of nancy garrido's new 'attorney' last week when he said that nancy wanted to talk to jaycee and the girls and tell them how much she 'loves and misses' them. give me a freaking break. attorneys will stoop to anything if they think they can gain an adavantage for the client (or themselves)>

Not all of us would!

 

[lauriej]

..just as a mom..i caught immediatley the " i want to say i'm sor--RY??" as more of a question(?) in her own mind----therefore she didn't mean it at all.

..her little smile/ "hi" to her parents, when walking in----obviusly in a chipper mood-----big shock------they've been exchanging letters for months.

..the same when walking out-----smile/wave good-bye...CA's happy mood when all was over.

..so they're writing letters----and not giving "us useless, overweight, nothing-better-to-do bloggers" something to talk about..

..surprise cindy and KC-----we'll have TONS to talk about at trial----when every single one of KC's EX friends spill everything ( prepare yourself----it's NOT good!)

..oh, and if CA and GA are required to tell the TRUTH--risking perjury if they don't---?????

..sure Kc smiled today, while pleading GUILTY-----(caught on tape).

..we, the "useless, overweight, nothing-better-to-do bloggers" are quite happy to wait for the murder trial, and see who's smiling then.

 

[logicalgirl]

..just as a mom..i caught immediatley the " i want to say i'm sor--RY??" as more of a question(?) in her own mind----therefore she didn't mean it at all.

..her little smile/ "hi" to her parents, when walking in----obviusly in a chipper mood-----big shock------they've been exchanging letters for months.

..the same when walking out-----smile/wave good-bye...CA's happy mood when all was over.

..so they're writing letters----and not giving "us useless, overweight, nothing-better-to-do bloggers" something to talk about..

..surprise cindy and KC-----we'll have TONS to talk about at trial----when every single one of KC's EX friends spill everything ( prepare yourself----it's NOT good!)

..oh, and if CA and GA are required to tell the TRUTH--risking perjury if they don't---?????

..sure Kc smiled today, while pleading GUILTY-----(caught on tape).

..we, the "useless, overweight, nothing-better-to-do bloggers" are quite happy to wait for the murder trial, and see who's smiling then.

Actually I have to admit after 18 months of reading/blogging about this case, I am a bit overweight.......:blushing:

 

[LambChop]

Actually I have to admit after 18 months of reading/blogging about this case, I am a bit overweight.......:blushing:

I'm overblogged, myself.:Banane37:

 

[Pondering Mind]

I thought for sure AL would whisper to her to address the judge appropriately ............but no. I did feel better though after KC's "heartfelt" apology to Amy when the Judge didn't miss a beat.........."anything else?" .......and moved on - I'm no expert but I interpreted that as his not buying her bs for even a second. Kinda the unstated Yeah Right! ...........

I thought so too!

You're right about the judge, I heart Judge Strickland..his facial expressions speak volumes!

 

[Pondering Mind]

Cindy has been harping this issue since the beginning. It's always that LE failed to investigate. She whines that LE only investigated Casey, and not her friends. Cindy told Yuki that she thought either AH or JG were "Zanny the nanny." She's been suspect of everyone, but not of Casey. So now the defense is picking up the drum and beating the same tune..........RK wasn't fully investigated.

Cindy's head, as well as JB's, is going to spin when we get to trial and they learn how much LE did investigate.

Not only that Leila, I don't know how Cindy thinks LE can trample all over someone else's constitutional rights and march in everyone's (that crossed KC's path in those 31 days) house with K-9's and luminol, when there is NO evidence pointing to them having anything to do with Caylee's murder. No judge is going to sign off on search warrants otherwise! Again those entitlement issues raise their ugly head...


What never fails to amaze me is that she can think of every illogical reason in the world to say KC is innocent and every illogical reason why everyone else may be guilty. :banghead: ...I'm surprised her brain hasn't exploded by now..

 

[Leila]

Wow, well that is pretty important work. And who could have guessed that. Just kidding!

But Dr. Glass didn't say anything that hasn't been said here many times before, did she? We've proposed it all before here and discussed it here.
It could be true, or it may not be true. If she's convicted, that won't make it true if it's not. The truth will remain, whatever it is.

Regarding the check fraud plea deal, Casey was pleading guilty. Then we take a frame out of the footage and say, 'See, this gesture means guilt', etc. Woo, spooky!
Only teasing. I just consider Dr. Glass one professional giving considered opinions, not an oracle or lie detector.

p.s. I didn't say her studies were for entertainment, I was talking about the soundbytes like this for the tabloid/popular media.

We all know Casey is guilty.......that's why she was making a guilty plea, so it's not a question of guilt. We've all noted that Casey is being deceptive because she's got a history of lying, and even her own mother, Cindy, has stated that Casey is a sociopath. One of the relevant components of a sociopath is their marked narcissism. So, we see Casey's phony apology and her fake tears and call her being deceptive. But Dr. Glass, a professional in body language, points out other mannerisms that also point to her deception and confirm our opinion.

In thinking about Monday's hearing, I'm glad that Amy wasn't present for the court proceedings. She's a victim of Casey's lies and thefts. There's no reason for Amy to subject herself to further emotional turmoil. By staying away, that sends a strong message too.

I hope Amy can put this behind her and more forward, as well as JG and TL, and all those whom Casey victimized.

 

[Leila]

I thought for sure AL would whisper to her to address the judge appropriately ............but no. I did feel better though after KC's "heartfelt" apology to Amy when the Judge didn't miss a beat.........."anything else?" .......and moved on - I'm no expert but I interpreted that as his not buying her bs for even a second. Kinda the unstated Yeah Right! ...........

Good observation!

 

[Skully]

If Casey is a true psychopath and I do feel she is, she doesn't know how to express emotions the way we do. She can only mimic what she thinks sorry looks like or cry tears when she thinks she should cry tears. Hating a psychopath for not getting it, is like hating a blind person for not seeing. I think Casey may have left Caylee in the car, in the heat and forgot about her. She may have felt bad, but it passed and she decided to make it look like someone else was at fault. Once she did what she had to do, she just got on with her life, feeling the freedom as a high, no more responsibility of a child to take care of, and it felt good. I am in no way saying she is not guilty of at the very least manslaughter, nor do I think she is crazy. She knows right from wrong, she just chooses "wrong" because she has no conscience. She can't feel empathy, so she can't show it. JMO