Casey's fantasies about Cindy giving her the house are really important

[Curious Me]

My thoughts have been going to the $15K savings Casey said she had. It was another of her fantasies. I wonder why she was playing with that idea. Did she expect to get money from some plan that was in the works? Who was she going to knock off is the question?

We can see there was no basis for her getting the house without something else happening - it was going to take a death, and that must've been what she was thinking about. True, she had no idea the legalities, but she seemed to be betting on someone dying soon and leaving her the house, and maybe some money. I don't think she was thinking of Caylee being the one to die, but possibly her parents, or just GA, or just CA. It was going to happen soon. What was her initial plan?

 

[kaRN]

I've always though the seeds of premeditation in this case, was Casey planning to rid herself of her parents. Scenario A IMO. I think the plan was to stage a home invasion where neck breaking might be featured. In any case, bruises and cuts all over Casey could be explained in this scenario as being defensive wounds. She could say she was the hero who returned home during the attack and scared the perpetrators away.
Chloroform would fit nicely into this fantasy too. If she staged an early morning invasion. She could have used it to sedate George and Cindy, possibly to death in their beds. In any case it would be easier to break an unconscious persons neck, than a conscious one. There's no way Casey fueled by hatred could have successfully brought down either of her parents without restraints. (a recurring theme) So I believe she was prepared with her duct tape months before she used it. The parental units would have adrenaline fueled self preservation mode strength working for them and Casey knew it. She'd had years of experience bringing them to that edge.
I imagine the life insurance payout from Cindy's employer under violent/ accidental circumstances alone, would be motive enough for Casey. Plus, she'd get the house.
Caylee was an afterthought. Because Cindy, fed, clothed, mothered, nursed, babysat, spoiled and financed Caylee, Casey had no clue what it took day in ,day out, with consistancy, to be a mother. So in her mind, it was all going to be cool. Amy would babysit, whatever.
Then the s#*t hit the fan because of the theft from her grandfathers account. Her mother was outraged, and rightly so and Casey stomped out in self righteous indignation, like she always had before.
Only now, she had the snot face in tow. I mean WT*. She didn't even want her anyway. Her stupid %&*# of a mother did. Besides that, a tired, hungry, crying Caylee was probably screaming inconsolable for CeCe from the back seat.

So Scenario A was modified into Scenario B and it was turned on Caylee. Casey never wanted her anyway. Losing Caylee would probably kill her parents anyway and almost did if the A's suicide disclosures are true. I mean %#*&@ them. Plus TonE only wants boys. (Anyone else think if Casey had a son, TonE would have told her he only wanted girls? LOL!)

She was practicing killing her parents when she gave George the 'mini stroke'. It was just a matter of time.
I don't think she could sit in jail wrongly accused on a whim of things she did not do and would never do, without a pen or paper unless she was completely immersed in fantasy. I'd be on the psych ward in restraints by this point if I were innocent, wouldn't you? I get depressed even thinking about it.

MOO

 

[knt]

IF CA ever mentioned giving KC the house, I would suspect it might be that

1. CA used that as an excuse to need KC's proof of employment, you know for the bank. In other words catching KC in a lie with trickery. OR

2. CA used that as a carrot to dangle in front of KC when KC threatened to leave with Caylee permanently.

Just trying to think like an Anthony!

 

[LambChop]

Good point, KNT!

 

[Pondering Mind]

That's the hidden beauty of a fantasy. It is just that, nothing more!:woohoo:

Speaking of which, isn't it amazing how these stories just roll of her tongue?! Although I read these texts when they were first released, going back and reading them again just blows me away. Texting to TonE about what her boss, 'Tom' was saying and how 'Juliet' was making fun of her about being "in love"..:sick: btw didn't she say later that 'Juliet' had no children? Interesting too that TonE is already calling her sneaky..

I wonder exactly when and why this *work fantasy thingy* and it's cast of characters, Tom, Juliet, MH, nanny..etc. began? Probably will never know, but sheesh... and this post is of no relevance either :crazy:..it's just the psychology of what makes this girl tick will never cease to boggle my mind..



Thanks skygirl for bringing this back up!

 

[rbrnmw2]

Speaking of which, isn't it amazing how these stories just roll of her tongue?! Although I read these texts when they were first released, going back and reading them again just blows me away. Texting to TonE about what her boss, 'Tom' was saying and how 'Juliet' was making fun of her about being "in love"..:sick: btw didn't she say later that 'Juliet' had no children? Interesting too that TonE is already calling her sneaky..

I wonder exactly when and why this *work fantasy thingy* and it's cast of characters, Tom, Juliet, MH, nanny..etc. began? Probably will never know, but sheesh... and this post is of no relevance either :crazy:..it's just the psychology of what makes this girl tick will never cease to boggle my mind..



Thanks skygirl for bringing this back up!

Exactly I really think she thought the police would buy her story her parents always had few had ever dared challenge the incredible KC It makes me wonder if it wasnt like this
CA: Caylee tells me you guys spent the night at Richardo's
KC: No we stayed at Zannie's didn't we?
Caylee: no we didn't mommy we were at Richardo's

Caylee wouldn't know she was causing the great KC trouble but that is what I believe is closer to what happened at that point Caylee made herself KC's enemy and was more of a liability than an asset

 

[Curious Me]

Authors must have a similar process to make the characters seem real and to write a scene. Casey made up a whole cast of characters in this make-believe life she was leading! There's usually a thread of truth woven into every lie. She told Amy she could move in real soon, and she told TonE he could start hanging out at her house real soon. Then, Caylee went missing which could not be the plan, IMO. I think the plan had to involve getting rid of CA and GA more than Caylee.

I always wonder about the first visitor to the jail, the guy supposely visits she says out of the blue, but what if....

Casey had a contract out on her parents. She made arrangements for someone to break in and kill them. It didn't happen, but by then the unexpected fight and Caylee passing happened.

Enjoying everyone's posts. This thread topic is fascinating. Trying to get into Casey's mind offers all kinds of creative slants, and the lies are stories in themselves. "She was up to no good" is how my own mother would put it.

 

[rbrnmw2]

Authors must have a similar process to make the characters seem real and to write a scene. Casey made up a whole cast of characters in this make-believe life she was leading! There's usually a thread of truth woven into every lie. She told Amy she could move in real soon, and she told TonE he could start hanging out at her house real soon. Then, Caylee went missing which could not be the plan, IMO. I think the plan had to involve getting rid of CA and GA more than Caylee.

I always wonder about the first visitor to the jail, the guy supposely visits she says out of the blue, but what if....

Casey had a contract out on her parents. She made arrangements for someone to break in and kill them. It didn't happen, but by then the unexpected fight and Caylee passing happened.

Enjoying everyone's posts. This thread topic is fascinating. Trying to get into Casey's mind offers all kinds of creative slants, and the lies are stories in themselves. "She was up to no good" is how my own mother would put it.

yes the first visitor has always bugged me but don't know why

 

[claudicici]

Exactly I really think she thought the police would buy her story her parents always had few had ever dared challenge the incredible KC It makes me wonder if it wasnt like this
CA: Caylee tells me you guys spent the night at Richardo's
KC: No we stayed at Zannie's didn't we?
Caylee: no we didn't mommy we were at Richardo's

Caylee wouldn't know she was causing the great KC trouble but that is what I believe is closer to what happened at that point Caylee made herself KC's enemy and was more of a liability than an asset

I really kind of tend to lean towards the fight was about something that enraged KC not CA,KC realizing she would not "get" the house would actually make a lot of sense,I'm really starting to believe CA told her something ridiculous along those lines and that paired with the fact that Tony told her he did not want girls pushed her over the edge.

 

[seekingjustice**]

This got me to thinking. If that scenario is true, I wonder how CA felt when Casey told her that she had chosen to talk to her father? That she wanted to reconnect with him, the one she had been the most distanced from?

I wondered the same thing Tulessa. My first thought watching that video was KC chose to talk to GA to 'spite' Cindy. So much powerplay in this family, it makes my head spin!

 

[seekingjustice**]

I've always thought the money issue was much earlier, closer to around the time of her birthday because the check had been uncashed and she used the routing numbers to get into her grandfather's account. I assumed that was already over and done with, although it may have been one of many things that contributed to the fight on the 15th.

IMO, it is very likely Caylee said something to CA on the trip to Mt. Dora that day - particularly since KC had stayed at RM's for much of the week with Caylee. The week CA took off from work, to spend time "bonding" with KC and Caylee basically ended with KC as a no-show and CA babysitting her granddaughter. It was more than a flop. I'm sure that CA was seething about that and the recent "anything but clothes" party she may have found the photos of which proved KC was lying about being at work and needing them to sit for Caylee. KC's absence the week before Father's Day indicates to me there was another fight leading up to the big one.
Since recently CA had called KC up and told her to bring Caylee home late at night, I think that the fact KC had taken Caylee away overnight was of concern to CA and something she had time to explore driving up to her father's that day. If she found out that Caylee had been sleeping in RM's room, and figured she might have been witnessing things she shouldn't, I'm sure CA would have hit the ceiling (remember how upset she and GA supposedly were when they found KC and Jesse on the bed in her room with Caylee as a baby, even though they were fully clothed).

KC had been stealing so long without consequences, and in numbers much larger than this amount, that I'm not sure it would have elicited the alleged choking attack. But a vituperative response to CA by KC if she was confronted about how well she was caring for Caylee could certainly have escalated, especially with threats about never seeing Caylee again if she left.

And I'm with all those people who think the computer searches were much more likely to have been about her parents. You don't need to look up household weapons to kill a toddler. You can simply do that with duct tape.

BBM - ITA Cecybeans. I believe a fight happened sometime in late May. I believe this because this in late May is when Cindy called Ryan and told him not to speak with KC anymore, she was a sociopath etc... that IMO, was the beginning of the end. So many pieces to this puzzle.

 

[claudicici]

yes,I agree,I also think that Cindy knows these pieces and is not telling...

 

[lauriej]

I wondered the same thing Tulessa. My first thought watching that video was KC chose to talk to GA to 'spite' Cindy. So much powerplay in this family, it makes my head spin!

..i always thought that she "chose to see george-----(fake sob! i HAD to choose!) was b/c she knew that his siblings/their spouses---had $$$'s.

..and she wanted to suck up to him-----as she did when he visited her alone in jail-----to HINT dramatically to go to his family for $$'s for her bond.

..not that much was required on her part by now------george was already in "ohgoshprincessyouaregorgeous.." mode.

..she didn't want to see lee---he WOULD have drilled her ( back then ).
..she didn't want to see cindy--she WOULD have dominated the conversation--( -back then ), ok, and even now.

..she CHOSE george-------because there was something she thought that she could gain from him, that's all.

 

[Curious Me]

I really kind of tend to lean towards the fight was about something that enraged KC not CA,KC realizing she would not "get" the house would actually make a lot of sense,I'm really starting to believe CA told her something ridiculous along those lines and that paired with the fact that Tony told her he did not want girls pushed her over the edge.

Enjoy your posts claudicici, but, JMO, I don't think Tony saying he didn't want girl children was that big of a deal to Casey. She moved on quickly, and there were many men even during that time period in the 31 days she was smoozing up to. In any case, I don't get why Casey would kill for any particular man being as selfish as she is. JG didn't have a problem with girl children, so did that save Caylee, sadly no.

IMHO, Casey was over the edge before anyone pushed her. :wave:

 

[claudicici]

Jesse loved Caylee,that was too much for KC also,she was jealous..IMO KC's main objective was to get a life ,no matter how brief her relationships were,I think she does become obsessed .....obsessed with the need to be loved and the need for approval...I think at that moment whatever Tony said mattered more than anything to her...that's why I really think that statement he made was sadly crucial to Caylee's fate....

 

[lauriej]

BBM - ITA Cecybeans. I believe a fight happened sometime in late May. I believe this because this in late May is when Cindy called Ryan and told him not to speak with KC anymore, she was a sociopath etc... that IMO, was the beginning of the end. So many pieces to this puzzle.

..a puzzle indeed!

..may 30th-----kc and caylee slept over @ ricardo's----he woke up in the a.m.---no caylee---kc said she took her home in the night b/c cindy called-, but----cindy was at mt. dora that night as her father was doing poorly. where did kc take her then ?

..june 9th ( the sunday before fathers day) kc and caylee slept at ricardo's---(and the 10th ?)

..was THIS the night of the big fight ??? and that was the reason everyone said june 9th when asked by LE on july 15th-----b/c ( with all of the hysteria going on------the anthony's blurted out the TRUTH momentarily?!)

..it makes sense to me----why else would kc and caylee leave and sleep at ricardo's on the previous sunday,the 9th (and the 10th?) did ricardo notice bruising/marks on her neck then ? ( from the alledged choking?)(happened THAT night?)

..i'm with many posters here on WS---caylee was now able to vocalize----and was "able to tell on kc to CA.."

 

[Curious Me]

Jesse loved Caylee,that was too much for KC also,she was jealous..IMO KC's main objective was to get a life ,no matter how brief her relationships were,I think she does become obsessed .....obsessed with the need to be loved and the need for approval...I think at that moment whatever Tony said mattered more than anything to her...that's why I really think that statement he made was sadly crucial to Caylee's fate....

You bring something else to mind that does point to her becoming obsessed with different guys. Brandon S comes to mind and her big reaction when she saw him at the party, and she had a hard time believing he was engaged to someone else in some texts. Yeah, you have a point there, she got lost in her fantasies, but she lost interest in them quite fast it seems. Tony only knew her a month. It is really sad if Tony mattered more than anything to her. Caylee, not so much apparently. :lipssealed:

 

[LambChop]

..i always thought that she "chose to see george-----(fake sob! i HAD to choose!) was b/c she knew that his siblings/their spouses---had $$$'s.

..and she wanted to suck up to him-----as she did when he visited her alone in jail-----to HINT dramatically to go to his family for $$'s for her bond.

..not that much was required on her part by now------george was already in "ohgoshprincessyouaregorgeous.." mode.

..she didn't want to see lee---he WOULD have drilled her ( back then ).
..she didn't want to see cindy--she WOULD have dominated the conversation--( -back then ), ok, and even now.

..she CHOSE george-------because there was something she thought that she could gain from him, that's all.

Not sure why you think GA's family has money. I have never heard that before.

 

[LambChop]

I really kind of tend to lean towards the fight was about something that enraged KC not CA,KC realizing she would not "get" the house would actually make a lot of sense,I'm really starting to believe CA told her something ridiculous along those lines and that paired with the fact that Tony told her he did not want girls pushed her over the edge.

CA was paying mortgage payments probably around $1500 at month, I would imagine as they had to remortgage their home when GA lost all that money. CA would know KC could not handle those payments, that KC would not be able to secure a loan from the bank and unless CA sold the house how would she be able to pay for an apartment, too. Most 20 plus young people have no idea what is involved in owning your own home. I believe CA when she said she only talked to KC about selling the house, not that she was going to sell it to KC. KC was also looking at renting homes and apartments, so she claimed but we can guess that this is not true. She blew AH off about looking at a house they were going to rent together. It is like a game to her. JMO

 

[Reagan]

Not sure why you think GA's family has money. I have never heard that before.

I can't get into specifics because it's hazy for me, and I don't have the time to get links but,

GA's sisters husband has money (per GA himself). He mentioned how his sisters are well taken care of by their husbands. And that there's nothing wrong with that.

I believe one of the reasons for GA getting his own used car lot was because CA wanted him to make money like his father, and his sisters husbands.
(per GA I think?)
I think there is another instance where CA may have said somethng about it, but that one, I'm not sure about.

Sorry for the vagueness. I'm in a rush. I will try to look them up later if no one has.