Caylee Anthony 2 year old General Discussion #61

[CheckDaFacts]

really good point. Maybe! We need to find the date that the car was abandoned. and the dates that she drove Amy's car. When did that smell get to bad and did she try to clean it up? Remember the cleaning fluids/detergent thing.

I thought Amy returned 15thJuly same day as 911 call.

 

[Leila]

Flurries of phone calls usually happen after a big argument. If Caylee had an accident, why would Casey call four different people in a row. It sounds like there was a big fight and she was being hung up on or her calls weren't being answered on purpose.

If Caylee had an accident and Casey's calls to mom and dad were going unanswered, why didn't she send a quick text message to each of them?

 

[wedavis]

Maybe, but would she activate it before it was charged? How long does it take to charge a Blackjack? Why wouldn't she have used her own phone in the meantime, and tried out the new one when it was charged?

I think she may have been using someone else's phone -maybe her battery was dead?

ETA: Especially if she forgot to grab the charger when she left on the 16th.

If she was using someone elses phone that would explain how this info got out.

 

[missscarlett]

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Yes, and no calls mentioned for the 17th.

Actually he said no more calls were made until the 17th (after the 2nd flurry of calls on the 16th).

 

[CheckDaFacts]

No, I didn't make that clear. She could have used their shovel between 6/22-6/24 to do whatever it is she needed to do. Afterall, once she broke into the shed(however she did that), she had full access to anything else in there. Does that make more sense?

The initial reason she borrowed the shovel must not have been to break the lock, as I had guessed in earlier posts. It was to possibly bury something/someone!

Question I watched NG starting to sound more like a tabloid, never heard exact date of shovel being borrowed. Last I knew it was in mid Jun. is there now an exact dte?

 

[SuziQ]

Just watched Mark F video. He says the Anthony's noticed Tuesday morning that the ladder was back up at the pool and the gate was open. That would have been Tuesday June 17th.

 

[Leila]

Didn't someone on a thread wayyyy back say how long it would take for the body to leak fluids/cells/whatever it is -- so that a cadaver dog would pick it up?

That's one thing about the drowning thing that I'm wondering about. Wouldn't Caylee need to have been deceased a little longer than just drowning right then and placed on the ground?

Does anyone remember?? :waitasec:

I'm a bit vague on this, but I remember someone saying decomp fluids withing 2 hours.

 

[CheckDaFacts]

If she was using someone elses phone that would explain how this info got out.

Black jacks do not take long to charge

 

[RoseRed]

The shovel was borrowed on the 18th.

How did the neighbor suddenly remember the date was the 18th ?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

right because the shovel was borrowed on the 18th...the shed was reported as being broken into on the 22-24th

I think it was confirmed that Tony picked Casey up from the Amscot (car was broken down) on the 27th

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Just watched Mark F video. He says the Anthony's noticed Tuesday morning that the ladder was back up at the pool and the gate was open. That would have been Tuesday June 17th.

Yes, I caught that to.

 

[SuziQ]

I found a site that says that a body doesn't really begin to smell until putrefaction begins, that usually takes about 2 days. But it is slowed if the body is buried. So if we think that she initially buried Caylee, she would have had to be dead at least 3-4 days before she was placed in the trunk for the smell to result.
http://www.deardeath.com/after_death.htm
I must go vomit now.

Thanks for looking that up. That timeframe actually makes sense if she was temporarily stashed somewhere, the backyard or the trunk.

 

[wedavis]

That is Exactly what I was wondering also! Why are so many accepting the pool ladder as truth so quickly? And HOW did the neighbor all of a sudden remember when the shovel was borrowed? I am still wondering where the calls were made FROM. Affidavit stated that Casey said she returned to Sawgrass Apts at around 3pm on the 16th and found Caylee gone. The news on Fox live today showed pictures showing the LE was back at Sawgrass today and stayed for 2 hrs. Makes me have to wait to see more details.

I used to just get frustrated when people didn't even bother to read the affidavit. Now we have incorrect facts being posted from the affidavit.
The date you are looking for here is the 9th.

 

[blondietx]

Question I watched NG starting to sound more like a tabloid, never heard exact date of shovel being borrowed. Last I knew it was in mid Jun. is there now an exact dte?

Yes, I believe it was Fuhrman that said it on Greta. He made a point of saying there had been some question as to when the shovel was borrowed and pointed to the next door neighbor's house. He went through 6/16-6/18, step by step, as he knew it. The shovel was borrowed on 6/18 and another flurry of calls that day, as well.

 

[missscarlett]

I think it was confirmed that Tony picked Casey up from the Amscot (car was broken down) on the 27th

Why have we not heard anything else from Tony lately?

 

[txsvicki]

I just can't imagine Casey placing a deceased Caylee in the house or burying her in the yard because of the two family dogs. Surely that would be very risky. She must have placed Caylee in the trunk and left pretty quickly or at least before Cindy was due home. I wonder if the next door neighbor remembered if Casey borrowed the shovel and then left the home quickly.

 

[CheckDaFacts]

I'm a bit vague on this, but I remember someone saying decomp fluids withing 2 hours.

Saliva I can see in a drowning victim. Decomp is the body breaking down, fluids begin to leak, the intestinal gas thus the smell. Small child 2-3 days depending on conditions, weight, etc. can cause it to be shorter.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I think that is wrong - in this heat - 3 - 4 days for a body in a trunk. Man oh man - I wouldn't want to be the one to open it. I would only think it would be a day - 2 at the most before it would be very noticeable.

 

[blondietx]

How did the neighbor suddenly remember the date was the 18th ?

Maybe they had to when push came to shove. Before 'the middle of June' worked. Now, LE needs something more concrete, IMO.

 

[CheckDaFacts]

I just can't imagine Casey placing a deceased Caylee in the house or burying her in the yard because of the two family dogs. Surely that would be very risky. She must have placed Caylee in the trunk and left pretty quickly or at least before Cindy was due home. I wonder if the next door neighbor remembered if Casey borrowed the shovel and then left the home quickly.

The dogs hit in the yard this does not mean Caylee's natural scent which was through out the yard. It means a body that is already in the process of decomp. Buried