Caylee Anthony Drowned In Family Pool Theory

[BondJamesBond]

So JWG, what about that ladder? The person who wants to discuss does not seem to be around. Know something new, some new twist or nightmare we should know about? lol

:wave: "Around" but driving 10 hrs & promised I wouldn't text while behind the wheel (stopped for gas now )

Was reading 'nother sleuther's email (which I can't access now ) & hoping to see it pop up here .

Perhaps we're waiting for the thread title to be updated...or for the post to be drafted

 

[okiedokietoo]

Right to all above - thought this was opened to discuss the ladder - I guess, possible scenarios about the ladder.........

 

[celticthyme]

If we follow the time lines and PINGS for the 16th, and see that there is enough time for Casey & Caylee to be home, it is not outside the real of possibility that Caylee could have seen her opportunity to get into the pool, with the ladder up to it, and fall in and drown while Casey was distracted. However we have that day down pretty tightly, even to knowing they had been at the Walmart that afternoon. I do not think that is what happened however.

 

[okiedokietoo]

I really am starting to convince myself that KC was going to try and stage an accident on the 17th or 18th, after Caylee was dead

 

[seekingjustice**]

IMO if Caylee did drown, it was because her mother held her head under the water! With all the circumstantial evidence we have seen to date, there is no way that I can believe this little girls death was an accident.

 

[Lexington]

I believe this "Caylee drowned in the pool theory" was invented by Cindy and George. They knew early on that Caylee was dead and Casey killed her. They wanted to make it a more acceptable death so the story about the pool ladder up and the gate open came into being (in a very early GVS interview). They then presented this story to Casey in a jail house interview under the false pretense that "people are saying". People weren't saying, it was Cindy and George saying. Although they were putting words in Casey's mouth, she didn't bite and continued on with the ridiculous and unbelievable nanny story. I think that ladder was moved by Cindy and George to give Casey an accidental drowning in the pool defense.

 

[Skully]

Happy Spring to all! I have felt that maybe Casey was on the phone or emailing or posting on her computer and just wasn't watching Caylee and she either fell into the pool or maybe even forgot her in a hot car. I think her fear of what Cindy's reaction would be was so great she decided to concoct this whole kidnapping thing. I also feel that Casey may have felt bad, but it was also a sense of relief for her, now she was free to party and have fun and not be a mother to Caylee. Casey in my opinion is a true psychopath and just doesn't have a conscience about right or wrong, she just doesn't feel guilt about it one way or the other. She knows the difference, she just doesn't care, I don't think she is wired correctly, KWIM?

 

[OKaraMia]

If my daughter accidently drown...Id try CPR.
The opposite of CPR would be a face full of duct tape.

IF KC was staging a kidnapping....she couldve staged fear.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Let's just say, for kicks and giggles, that Caylee did die due to an accident. kc proceeding to duct tape and triple bag her and throw her in the woods should wipe out any possible chance of leniency due to an accidental death just for the fact she did those horrific things.

 

[suepitzl]

All due respect........It has been debunked multiple times.......let it go.....IMO

 

[affinity]

All due respect........It has been debunked multiple times.......let it go.....IMO

what has been debunked?

 

[christee]

My apologies for interrupting the flow but I just have to say that this theory has remained on my list even after many, many discussions on the subject. While I'm a bit rusty on the timeline, I believe KC had the time and opportunity to take a swim on the 16th, but I think it's possible an accident could have happened at another pool, maybe the pool at TL's apartment complex?...Just a thought!

 

[gamom]

I COULD understand if Caylee drowned and KC panicked and called her parents. When my daughter was 2 she had a seizure. I was the exact same age as KC was. I panicked. I immediately called my husband, who told me to hang up and call 9-1-1. I don't know why I did not call 9-1-1 myself. I think it is because since we were kids we were told that numbers were only for emergencies. I think as a young mom, I was not sure if it was an emergency and needed someone to tell me it was. It sounds silly now looking back, but that day my first reaction was to call my spouse who was miles away. So I could see how KC might do the same.

HOWEVER, I can not relate to putting the baby in the trunk of your car with tape on her mouth and going out to rent a movie with your boyfriend a few hours later like nothing was wrong....that is why deserves the DP in my mind. Accident or not.

 

[butterfly1978]

If it were an accident and Casey "mishandled" the situation by whatever reason not calling 9-11 okay.. However, and this is where my big huge problem is..... she was not with Casey on the night of the 16th, when she was at the movie store with Tony..... She was not even visibly shaken at all, in other words if it were an accident and she freaked out, she certainly got over it really quickly, I mean with in a matter of hours, and never once grieved about the "accident, not at Target, the movie store, Fusion... No where did she show any signs that anything was wrong... so if it was an accident, and she freaked out, didn't know what to do... In my eyes she is still a cold hearted witch, she was over it just like that.. In an instant she was back to being a single childless parting woman with out a care in the world.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

When I was very young a friend of mine fell down some concrete stairs. I found her laying at the base of the stairs looking befuddled. I remember that instead of having the appropriate response...I felt embarrassed for her! I went off to play elsewhere and did not tell anyone about what happened! (She was found by someone else and thankfully she didn't die and did not have a serious injury...but she was definitely stunned). That event has always haunted me. WHY didn't I handle that better than I did? What was wrong with me that I had the wrong response?

I believe I would be capable as being as stupid, inappropriate and weird as KC at her age. Because she has such deep neurosis all her life and Caylee's death and all the lawyers, news people and enabling parents are helping her to slip deeper and deeper into full blown psychosis (she exhibits clearly "dissassociative" behavior) .

I know how you feel because when I was a grownup, I reacted in a similar unexplicable way. We had just driven for ten hours and checked into a hotel in NM. My son, who was almost seven, was eager to jump in the pool. I was wearing a long gauzy skirt/full summer dress vs. swimsuit. As I stood there looking at him (he was close to the other side of the pool where, thankfully two couples were lounging) his head went under. My child had been in swimming lessons since he was four. I looked at him as his head bobbed up and called out his name. He was quiet and went under again. I stood there wondering if he was playing a game with me. The man on the lounge chair closest to him dove in and grabbed my son and brought him out of the pool. My son had not taken in any water. The man looked at me strangely while I looked back at him stunned and said 'thank you, thank you'. I think I would have reacted soon and been able to get to my son but what has always haunted me was how quiet he was - no flailing, no voice, no cry for help. If nobody had been right there, no one would have known - just found a child at the bottom of the pool. I had several nightmares after this happened and often shuddered when thinking about how frozen I was and my slow/shoddy judgment.

I asked my son "when I called out to you, why didn't you answer me?" He just said, "I don't know."

The point is, and I don't know if this happened to Caylee, drowning can be a very quiet occurance. If you ever see someone bob under but they don't look to be distressed but they don't call out to you, go in and assist them. Thank God for me that man knew that and didn't sit there to wait to see if my son was going to drown like I was doing. :waitasec:

That is why we cannot leave young children unattended near water, near stoves, etc. You must watch them carefully. It can be exhausting so you must own the responsibility every day.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

All due respect........It has been debunked multiple times.......let it go.....IMO

Except, as far as I know, we've never seen the results from any of the filters they took from the A house, or the items they took from the sunroom such as the tablecloth, rug, etc.

The only thing is, if LE thought this a viable theory, why the death penalty. Would they place that penalty for how Caylee's death was handled beyond the drowning? Or maybe then they would conclude that KC actually did drown Caylee because she refuses to offer other explanations other than the kidnapping theory of which you can't explain away her car, the 31 days, etc.

 

[wyome]

If it were an accident and Casey "mishandled" the situation by whatever reason not calling 9-11 okay.. However, and this is where my big huge problem is..... she was not with Casey on the night of the 16th, when she was at the movie store with Tony..... She was not even visibly shaken at all, in other words if it were an accident and she freaked out, she certainly got over it really quickly, I mean with in a matter of hours, and never once grieved about the "accident, not at Target, the movie store, Fusion... No where did she show any signs that anything was wrong... so if it was an accident, and she freaked out, didn't know what to do... In my eyes she is still a cold hearted witch, she was over it just like that.. In an instant she was back to being a single childless parting woman with out a care in the world.

This is the thing that really has me puzzled.

Let's go one further and say she murdered Caylee in the 2nd degree -- not premeditated, but choked her to death the evening of the 15th after the alleged "fight". I would assume she'd be visibly shaken at the thought of what she'd done. She'd be shaking, not quite right, zoned-out, or actly oddly....but still we get nothing from her. If it was a heat of the moment "shutting her up" that got out of hand, or a pool accident, you'd think her demeanor would change....because her world had just severely changed.

Which leads me then to a few explanations:
1) she planned this for months (ie the computer searches for Zenaida and neck breaking, etc) She wanted Caylee dead and she found an opportunity.
2) She's a pyschopath who exhibits no empathy or rational fear. So whether it was an accident or a 2nd degree murder, it doesn't matter. She was clearly detached and was not capable of having any emotional response to it.
3) Caylee was not murdered until a later date. Drugged and left in the abandoned home while she made it a Blockbuster night or hung out at Fusian.

#3's a stretch, I know, since there's absolutely no evidence of this. But I'm trying to find an explanation for Casey NOT showing any strong human panic response during such a period.

 

[doogiesgirl]

I know how you feel because when I was a grownup, I reacted in a similar unexplicable way. We had just driven for ten hours and checked into a hotel in NM. My son, who was almost seven, was eager to jump in the pool. I was wearing a long gauzy skirt/full summer dress vs. swimsuit. As I stood there looking at him (he was close to the other side of the pool where, thankfully two couples were lounging) his head went under. My child had been in swimming lessons since he was four. I looked at him as his head bobbed up and called out his name. He was quiet and went under again. I stood there wondering if he was playing a game with me. The man on the lounge chair closest to him dove in and grabbed my son and brought him out of the pool. My son had not taken in any water. The man looked at me strangely while I looked back at him stunned and said 'thank you, thank you'. I think I would have reacted soon and been able to get to my son but what has always haunted me was how quiet he was - no flailing, no voice, no cry for help. If nobody had been right there, no one would have known - just found a child at the bottom of the pool. I had several nightmares after this happened and often shuddered when thinking about how frozen I was and my slow/shoddy judgment.

I asked my son "why when I called out to you, did you not answer me?" He just said, "I don't know."

The point is, and I don't know if this happened to Caylee, drowning can be a very quiet occurance. If you every see someone bob under but they don't look to be distressed but they don't call out to you, go in and assist them. Thank God for me that man knew that and didn't sit there to wait to see if my son was going to drown like I was doing. :waitasec:

That is why we cannot leave young children unattended near water, near stoves, etc. You must watch them carefully. It can be exhausting so you must own the responsibility every day.

I had a swimming incident with my youngest son also. He was probably 4 or 5 and had only had maybe one swim class in at the time. I was older when I had him so I was probably around 41 or so. I was sitting with my sisters at a poolside table and my son and his two cousins were swimming near the ladder. It was one of those 5 feet deep pools. I saw my son go under, jumped out of my chair, bent down and as I held on to the ladder I put my other hand under and grabbed him by the arm and pulled him up. Thankfully he was ok. He had little or no experience swimming underwater at that time. I just reacted.

BUT....I honestly can't say I would have reacted the same way if I'd have been in my early 20's. If I'd been in my early 20's I may not have even been watching him. I hate to admit that but it is true. The mother you are in your 20's is NOT the mother you are in your 40's.

So...IDK how KC would've reacted to an accident. I just don't see the accident theory though. To me....it just doesn't jive with the rest of her behavior since Caylee was last seen. In my opinion....there was no accident. It was a willful killing.

MOO

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'll add one more possibility and then everyone can tell me how idiotic I am -

One more possibility - Caylee drowned while under somebody else's watch.

 

[sleutherontheside]

During jail video visitation with KC, Ca said something about an accident with the pool....that "people" were saying that is what happened. I think one of the best ways to clear up the topic is to find the "people" who said that to CA.

Now CA also stated somewhere......(please help me find the reference) that the neighbors heard splashing around during the day and that was woven in with the discussion about the gate, and ladder. Who are "those" people?

Do these "people" exist? I would think that if there were an interview that corroborated that story that we would have seen the interview by now. So can someone point me to these "people" to back up CA's jail video statements???