Caylee Anthony General Discussion Thread #73

[CheckDaFacts]

TripleA I agree, have said before how can anyone think it happened any days other then the 15th or 16th? no one will admit to seeing her since then

11 days later the car is left at Amscott.

 

[housemouse]

Interesting, Blink. I think I will take another look at the chart for the 24th, and check my assumptions about that date.

LOL, I will try but it comes and goes on it's own..:blowkiss:
I posted right away that I did think she was locked out, but the "how" she called is new.. I mostly do not believe that Caylee died at the parents home. If it was that "simple" this would be solved by now, imo.
LE has had those cell phone records since day 2, they knew this already, if they had been zeroing in on those days, that info would not have been "leaked". As a matter of fact I think they leaked it to have folks discount it. They are focused on the 24th, started with Jesse's "recant" of sorts, which came following his 2nd interview with LE- they discounted his statement based on something they have.. George coughing up the gas cans following being witheld, the police report, him saying Casey was there, and Casey's myspace postings that day, to Amy and Jesse.. ALL center around 6/24 . Im hanging my hat that the "pings" from 6/24 thru 6/27 tell the real story, they just need the physical evidence to progress.
I may be wrong, but I think the real timeline here is 6/23-6/27

 

[SuziQ]

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but there is not one person who can positively account for Caylee since June 15th (or June 16th according to George).

You are correct. No sighting of Caylee after these dates.

 

[CheckDaFacts]

That is true, you are correct, but imo just because no-one saw her does not mean that she was already "gone". It does not prove anything either way, except the last time a corroberated sighting of 6/16

If there were flies and maggots in that trunk the Anthony's air/cleaned out they would have talked.

 

[kathyn2]

OK, I have another big question. Lee Anthony says that Casey left for work and a mini vacation on June 16th. How come the parents don't mention the fact that she left for a vacation instead of saying she left for work. If she was leaving on this extended vacation and work, where were her suitcases? Why did they only have a back pack? I guess it is possible to go on a vacation with just a backpack but it seems a little odd that that is all they would go off with. When was she suppose to come back from this 'vacation'? That has never come out either. I wonder if LE has ever gotten the true story of what Casey's plans were suppose to be that day?

 

[ketel0ne]

OK, I have another big question. Lee Anthony says that Casey left for work and a mini vacation on June 16th. How come the parents don't mention the fact that she left for a vacation instead of saying she left for work. If she was leaving on this extended vacation and work, where were her suitcases? Why did they only have a back pack? I guess it is possible to go on a vacation with just a backpack but it seems a little odd that that is all they would go off with. When was she suppose to come back from this 'vacation'? That has never come out either. I wonder if LE has ever gotten the true story of what Casey's plans were suppose to be that day?

I have always understood that they didn't know until a day or 2 after the 16th, because that is when Casey started to use this lie about why they were away. It is also why I believe they never "moved out". Casey said whatever she had to, to not get cornered into coming home. That ended July 15th via Amy. The jacksonville lie was while amy was in PR, it is why cindy was so concerned after the notice and getting the car. Casey was saying she was in Jacksonville with JH.

ETA: I wish investigators would tell Cindy point blank Casey was never in Tampa, or Jacksonville. She could have been I just don't see it.

 

[Beagle1]

The first mention of the 18th as the date that I am aware of was on Greta via Mark Fuhrman, from " a souce".. I have always read that the neighbor said, mid-late June, and to me the 18th does not jive with the shed burglary on the 24th- I dont find the 18th as the "source" says as credible until I see the neighbor interviewed.

The neighbor has not given an interview, but IIRC, the neighbor said that she/he was working outside at the time (could remember more precisely if planting something bought that day etc.) and Casey came over an borrowed the shovel. The neighbor went inside to shower and when she/he returned about an hour later, the shovel had been returned.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

 

[CheckDaFacts]

Interesting, Blink. I think I will take another look at the chart for the 24th, and check my assumptions about that date.

Then a body had to be sealed in the trunk for all those few days for the odor to have continued to linger till the 15th of July.

 

[shannon718]

Blink my only problem with Caylee not being hurt in the home is the blacking out of the windows and the luminol photography being performed in the house. The timing of when they went back and did that and where they did it (back of the house/faces pool ) tells me that Caylee was maybe moved into that house after death leaking fluids.

My feeling is that she kept moving her around in a panic.....the corner near the pool, the playhouse, the sandbox....all very very telling hits by the cadaver dogs.....and then finally CSI performing luminol in the back of the house?

Just thinking, but I do agree with you about some of the other stuff..

 

[CheckDaFacts]

The neighbor has not given an interview, but IIRC, the neighbor said that she/he was working outside at the time (could remember more precisely if planting something bought that day etc.) and Casey came over an borrowed the shovel. The neighbor went inside to shower and when she/he returned about an hour later, the shovel had been returned.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

It started out with phrase mid-june

 

[SuziQ]

And IIRC, Padilla said in a Fox video from way back when, that they are looking at June 15th as the date Caylee went missing.

And lets not forget that the 15th/16th is also when they left without warning per grandma's blog. To me that's indicative of no major blow up or anything in the house. Life was pretty cushy for Casey there. Oh sure, she may have been hounded with rules and such. But the only explanation I can come up with her suddenly leaving is the fact she could not explain Caylee's absence to her parents if Casey was still living there. That IMO, is the first sign that a crime had been commited and when Casey went on the run.

ETA: gma didn't state the date in the blog. I'm getting that from a combination of the blog and recent statements from the GP's.

 

[IrishSweetOne]

bought my 9 year old a phone for Christmas put it in her name no I.D. needed

Same here just a name no ID

 

[shannon718]

This is one officers answer to the question "are any cell phones really untraceable" I thought this was really informative. In regard to my insistance that you must provide id to activate a simm, apparently I am WRONG. It is the case in NYC, most likely because we have very hyped up security for a lot of reasons...but I you are right about the go phones etc. In particular walmart does not check. We don't even have a Walmart in NYC....(ive never even been in one wouldn't know. But this officers answer gives great insight on how things are just not really untraceable in this day and age. : ) Hope this helps!



I actually just worked a case similar to this. A guy had a prepaid phone and several phones that had been disconnected*. The caller was calling our 911 center to the tune of 6000 times in a 3 month period. Talking vulgar to our female dispatchers. We tracked him by his coordinates and recovered the phones. He is currently awaiting federal charges.

*when a phone is not programmed, it is still able to make emergency calls. If there is no telephone number assigned to the phone then it shows the phones serial number. It took us almost 3 months to catch him. But I got thank you cards from all the dispatchers over it. well worth it. It was one of the most challenging cases I've worked since I've been in investigations.
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[amethyst221]

About the DNA results, and their release by LE: they might hold them back, even if they are "helpful" to LE, to some degree, but still maybe less than conclusive to prove a case in court. Their release might foreclose any slim, tiny possibility that Casey might decide to talk about something, like a scenario of accident followed by misguided behavior. It wouldn't take much to persuade me, but finding a little blood in the trunk, for example, would be different than identified decomposition fluid, that could have no innocent explanation, even if it were transferred from elsewhere or something. It still is what is is. LE has to want more, if they can get it, than strong circumstantial evidence, lots of evidence of consciousness of guilt, etc. They won't risk double jeopardy.

About the important "when," I keep changing my mind from June 16-18 to June 24-27. Maybe it's both.

 

[shannon718]

And IIRC,
And lets not forget that the 15th/16th is also when they left without warning per grandma's blog.

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Grandma's blog was written on July 3rd and did not refer to any dates...

 

[SewingDeb]

Don't apologize! Yeah, we're all tired of the same things being thrown around by the media and yeah, we all want real "breaking "news", but we all end up watching any and all news reports/interviews, etc... so, TY for the info! We'll all be watching

You're welcome. I thought the show would be especially good for those who are asking so many questions that have already been answered. I know I will be watching to see if I have missed any little detail along the way.

 

[ketel0ne]

And IIRC, Padilla said in a Fox video from way back when, that they are looking at June 15th as the date Caylee went missing.

And lets not forget that the 15th/16th is also when they left without warning per grandma's blog. To me that's indicative of no major blow up or anything in the house. Life was pretty cushy for Casey there. Oh sure, she may have been hounded with rules and such. But the only explanation I can come up with her suddenly leaving is the fact she could not explain Caylee's absence to her parents if Casey was still living there. That IMO, is the first sign that a crime had been commited and when Casey went on the run.

ETA: gma didn't state the date in the blog. I'm getting that from a combination of the blog and recent statements from the GP's.

So Cindy didn't tuck in Caylee on the 15th and George didn't see them leave on the 16th.

These may be statements out of guilt. IMO

 

[shannon718]

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About the important "when," I keep changing my mind from June 16-18 to June 24-27. Maybe it's both.[/QUOTE]

Very well could be both. That 11 day hole could be that Caylee's body was hidden then.....then moved which I always maintained.

 

[chrisg]

. In regard to my insistance that you must provide id to activate a simm, apparently I am WRONG. It is the case in NYC, most likely because we have very hyped up security for a lot of reasons...but I you are right about the go phones etc. In particular walmart does not check. We don't even have a Walmart in NYC....

I live in NYC as well. The KMart near Penn Staion sells these pre-paid phones and you take them to the check out line and pay for them. Period. No personal info. asked for. NYC does NOT have any 'hyped up security' w/ regard to cell phones of any kind. The reason contract phones require all that information is because they want you to be accountable to pay for the continuation of the phone service. It has absolutely nothing to do w/ 'security'.

 

[GameTheory]

OK, I have another big question. Lee Anthony says that Casey left for work and a mini vacation on June 16th. How come the parents don't mention the fact that she left for a vacation instead of saying she left for work. If she was leaving on this extended vacation and work, where were her suitcases? Why did they only have a back pack? I guess it is possible to go on a vacation with just a backpack but it seems a little odd that that is all they would go off with. When was she suppose to come back from this 'vacation'? That has never come out either. I wonder if LE has ever gotten the true story of what Casey's plans were suppose to be that day?

I think what many posters said before can explain your question and can also explain why the grandparents seem deceptive some times. The situation was not smooth at the house. There must have been disagreements, fights, about lies, responsibilities, moving in, moving out, staying here, staying there, having a job, not having a job, spending money, stealing gaz, all that. With Casey's character there is no reason to believe things were running smooth and well there.

I think if we read between the lines of what Lee and the family say you can see that things were dysfunctional, even though they want to keep that out of the news and I kinda understand this. The way George was asking Casey whether she talked to her mom, the way Lee has no patience to go through rounds and rounds with Casey on the phonecall, especially when he says to Casey ''what you put mom though''.

An example: When Cindy tells Greta that she told Casey on the phone about the stolen gaz cans, I don't think Cindy just told her ''you know what happened? someone broke into our garden and took some cans. how horrible is that?'' Cindy must have asked Casey if she was the one who did it. Come on....especially since she did this before. She would also ask her are you alright? Don't you have money? How is Caylee? Do you have enough money to eat? etc.

This is what I mean the Anthonys are trying to keep their laundry out of the media and why sometimes they come across as being deceptive.