Caylee Anthony General Discussion Thread #75

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  • #241
The key you seem not to understand is DNA, dirt, fibers, etc., ect. Cindy may be over the top but she demonstrates she still wants Caylee home safe and sound.

DNA, dirt fibers etc? hello? Casey and Caylee used that car all the time. Of course there is going to be DNA and dirt in the car, front, back, and trunk. inside and outside. hair? yeah, I'm sure that hair would be there too. None of that does a crime scene make.
 
  • #242
Yes for running them on a wild goose chase, while lying the entire time. Especially since Casey told 911 her daughter had gone missing 31 days ago.

Yeah, Casey lies, a lot, but not well. Cindy lies a lot too, and she is better at it than her daughter. jmo
 
  • #243
Wow! I did not know that. That makes the exact spelling of her name due to a license plate search even more plausible.

Florida is one of only 11 states that allow such a search. It can be obtained for less than $12.00 - she could hide her tracks with a prepaid credit card from Walmart (or similar) and an Internet connection at a library.

No one would be suspicious of someone taking a trash bag out of their trunk at an apartment complex dumpster- if the body was found she could blame it on ZG.

Only one problem - she does not want the ZG that she saw to be identified - she claimed the ZG photo LE presented was not the same ZG ----why would she do that?

By the time LE showed Casey a photo of the Zenaida Gonzolas that took a tour of the Sawgrass Apts, Casey knew that woman didn't live at the Sawgrass Apts, and that the apt she took LE to was empty and had been since February. Her story was falling apart. She had to maintain that "no, that's not the right Zenaida Gonzolas."

Casey can't risk identifying a real person. A real person might have an ironclad alibi and plenty of people who could vouch for them. Casey's lie would be exposed and she can't take that risk.
 
  • #244
By the time LE showed Casey a photo of the Zenaida Gonzolas that took a tour of the Sawgrass Apts, Casey knew that woman didn't live at the Sawgrass Apts, and that the apt she took LE to was empty and had been since February. Her story was falling apart. She had to maintain that "no, that's not the right Zenaida Gonzolas."

Casey can't risk identifying a real person. A real person might have an ironclad alibi and plenty of people who could vouch for them. Casey's lie would be exposed and she can't take that risk.


I agree!
 
  • #245
The page was pulled down almost immediately after Casey's arrest and the messages which gave a good look into Casey's frolicking activities during Caylee missing were pulled with it. Some were able to be saved.

I am lost. I have been going to these myspace pages almost since the arrest, and today was the first day I noticed that the page was gone. Actually, this evening the grandmothers page was deleted I thought.

I posted yesterday some messages of people beginning to post nasty comments to the grandmother.
 
  • #246
This is so far past your speculation of a rhyme or reason. Dogs also hit in the yard, LE is not wasting time running oil stains . The decomp odor is a reality and Ms Casey is not walking free. As it stands she is currently looking at six years and there is even more evidence to be produced.

Casey left little Caylee at a stairwell with an invisible sitter ZG. Also a story she refused to change and still stands by, the date Jun 9th. Caylee was with her GMA on Jun 15th Father's day, proof of video, verified and testimony on the stand. Casey's father George now said he saw both girls at home on Jun 16th. Yeah Caylee has been hidden away by Casey since June 9th. We all want to know where she hid her as well. I suggest per you that if Casey's friends actually do know where Caylee is, they better immediately tell LE. Especially since Casey has now said Caylee is in danger. This coming directly from a woman in isolation with only three taped visitors allowed 3x a week, Mom, Dad and Lee and recorded phone calls. :mad:

Why do you believe that Casey left Caylee in a stairway at the Sawgrass apts. Bc Casey said so?
 
  • #247
:doh:
Not only do the 911 calls not get to the smell until call number three, but they don't get LE involved until then either. It was the smell statement that finally got them out there.

:slap:
 
  • #248
Also, since Casey is such a liar, how could she ever allow Caylee to come back? Caylee would be able to tell quite a bit. Caylee was already going to be able to tell the Anthony's that Casey was with her all day instead of at work, and probably had already told it before.
 
  • #249
Cadaver dogs, that are trained to only alert on decomposing human remains, alerted on the trunk of the car in addition to hitting on three separate location in the Anthony's backyard. LE has found a stain in the trunk of the car and strands of hair that are the length and color of Caylee's.

I think it's more than Cindy and others concerned about the smell of the car. The forensic lab results will be the deciding factor.

I'm not sure, but I think I remember LE didn't take the car until 7/23, and Casey was arrested on 7/16. When did the dogs smell decomp in the car? I know one dog did on three seperate locations in the backyard, but according to Cindy on Greta's on the record, a second dog did not. Yes lab results which I thought were expected back yesterday will give more info.
 
  • #250
Can't verify if santa smells funny or not, though. I'm just gonna assume he does. It's been a while since I've seen him:)

I'm glad I read through til the end, because after reading the post about old people smelling funny, I wanted to comment right away. To the original poster:

I'm sorry, don't know how to bring a post over here from the old thread, but what you said is TRUE. When I first saw Caylee leaning against the old man, my first thought was a "smell memory". Old people DO smell funny, I have a distinct memory of my paternal grandmother... I couldn't stand to get close to her because of the smell. My last boss smelled like that too (he was old). You didn't have to get close to smell it. I think it has something to do with dry, flaky skin. I know they were both nitpicky when it came to body cleanliness, so that wasn't the problem. Caylees look in that photo tells me "can I get away now?".
 
  • #251
Also the George's story about the wheel chucks in the trunk makes no sense. Why would he keep tools in the car that his daughter used? Why wouldn't he use jack stands to rotate the tires? You need to have both the front and rear of the car on opposite sides off the ground at the same time to rotate tires.

Allow me to use your question to say something I observed about the grandparents (my comments are not directed to you dear Dorvillian, just taking your comment to further say something about the gp)

1. George might not have needed anything from Casey's car, he might just wanted to check her trunk because he was sure or suspecting she was the one who took the gaz cans. She stole from them many times before, and gaz also. Thinking it is embarrasing to say he was sure his daughter stole from him the gaz and told her he wanted to take something out of her car to ''trap'' her and check her car is something that is kinda understandable for someone not want to say.

2. Another example: When Cindi says she doesn't remember the last name of Caylee's father name she is not exactly lying. She just doesn't want to identify the family by name and bring them into this or have the media running after them. Especially since there is no DNA to prove that the boy who died was indeed the father. Why not say ''I know the name but don't want to comment?" Well here comes human psychology and public relations studies. This is the best unfortunately Cindi can think she can reply to the question and not say the name. But I don't see any sinister motives behind all that or pathological lying. I see a desperate need for a spokerperson.

3. I know the grandparents' reactions come of as deceptive or weird but I really don't think they are trying to sabotage the LE efforts to find Caylee. So far everybody involved in the case are saying the Anthony's are cooperating fully from the first moment. And they were the ones who called 911 and the ones who told the police that their daughter is hiding something.
I think the Anthony's are the kind of people spokerpersons have been created for but as I see it this is their only ''crime''. Not knowing what to say or not. Wanting to say the truth to the media but not wanting to say the whole truth (either because they don't want to bring other innocent people in this, or not wanting the media to focus on mother-daughter bad relationship, or father-daughter bad relationship, etc.) Yes their number one priority should be to want Caylee back and I believe it is their number one priority. But they just must believe it doesn't change anything in the case if the told the press who took the gaz cans (they did tell police) or the father's name, etc.

4. Also the Anthony's smiling and being overly positive and making statements that Caylee will be home for her birthday, the mom will be the mother of the year when everything is over, etc. Please understand them. We are not in their shoes. First of all they have to hold from a tiny tiny awful and tragic thread to the hope that the precious baby is coming back to them. Then no matter how much they see all the lies that Casey said and come to surface and we analyse here day after day, THEY JUST HAVE TO HOLD ON TO THAT HOPE UNTIL THERE IS A BODY. They know Casey is lying. From the first phone call of Casey's to home, Cindy tells her she told so many lies it is her fault she is in jail. From the first phonecall. But how can the grandparents go out and make it seem that the baby is dead and people stop looking for the baby if there is a small tiny hope that the baby is somewhere unharmed? What loving grandparents could that that responsibility? They are just not ready to give up on the hope until the police tells them it is over.

5. The grandparents and the brother are also the ONLY PEOPLE right now that have an open channel of communication with Casey. And that channel seems to narrow day by day, by the way. Casey stopped talking to the police a long time ago. I know it is easy to say ''If I were Casey's mother I will go down to the jail and kick her azz to tell me where the baby is'' but if you were in the Anthony's shoes and your only hope to find what is going on was if Casey said something they have to play along. The Anthony's have no choice right now. Unfortunately their daughter is taking them on a horrible horrible ride of false hopes. Remember Cindi's interview about discussing possibilities of an accident happening? She says there is NO LOGIC in that happening because Casey wouldn't put them through all of this. Please understand this. There are going through this nightmare of wondering about the child and dealing with police, the media, not going to work, being stretched financially. How can they believe Casey is putting them through all of this instead of coming clean> She has been playing the grandparents and the police with the nanny abduction story. However the police are not emotionally subjective, the LE are more cold and objective to say ''look the story is absolutely bull''. But the Anthony's are emotionally subjective to this, and this is why they can be manipulated by their daughter into hoping something absurd and obviously fabricated might have happened.

6 Right now even the police is telling the Anthony's not to take an attack stance towards Casey because the only thing the police can get out of Casey is through her parents. Remember the Trenton Duckett case? Police explained that they did not arrest Melinda because that would make her clam herself up and stop talking. While Melinda was out she kept talking to the media. Unfortunately Melinda killed herself and took with her whatever she knew about what happened to the boy. The decision to not put her in jail or put her in jail might have been wrong, but the premise is the same: the police does not want to severe communication with the POI. And since Casey has severed communications with LE, the parents is all there is available to police right now to keep her talking. And remember: Casey's lawyer even came out and said he suspects Lee is cooperating with the police against his client.

I apologise for the long post....but the only problem with the Anthony's is their awful public relations skills. Well this isn't a crime movie, where the victim's family is very collected and knows how to speak and pleade and behave and produce the right tears at the right time and the right anger on director's cue. Victims' family come in many shapes and forms and in this case, the Anthony's are not what we expect from the STEREOTYPE of how someone behaves when something like this happens. They did call the police, they did tell the police their daugther is a person of interest, they did gave evidence to the police, and they do still talk to the police. And if you notice they haven't hired a lawyer for themselves even though there were plenty of stories that the grandparents are in this, that they are hiding evidence, that they could have helped with a cover up, that they should be charged alongside Casey, etc.
 
  • #252
I have to point out some things you have stated that are incorrect. The story Casey has stood by includes that the day her mom called 911, Caylee had been missing 31 day, she did not state the date. It was Cindy who miss calculated
June 9. Also the myspace for Casey was NOT taken down when she was arrested. As stated it is still not taken down, it was just tuned onto Private in the past hours.


This is so far past your speculation of a rhyme or reason. Dogs also hit in the yard, LE is not wasting time running oil stains . The decomp odor is a reality and Ms Casey is not walking free. As it stands she is currently looking at six years and there is even more evidence to be produced.

Casey left little Caylee at a stairwell with an invisible sitter ZG. Also a story she refused to change and still stands by, the date Jun 9th. Caylee was with her GMA on Jun 15th Father's day, proof of video, verified and testimony on the stand. Casey's father George now said he saw both girls at home on Jun 16th. Yeah Caylee has been hidden away by Casey since June 9th. We all want to know where she hid her as well. I suggest per you that if Casey's friends actually do know where Caylee is, they better immediately tell LE. Especially since Casey has now said Caylee is in danger. This coming directly from a woman in isolation with only three taped visitors allowed 3x a week, Mom, Dad and Lee and recorded phone calls. :mad:
 
  • #253
I just had a thought...did ZG look at the empty apartment? If so, and Casey saw her walking out of that apartment, Casey could have thought she was moving out due to the apartment being vacant (which is pretty easy to tell by looking at the windows and seeing no window treatments, etc.)...that would fit perfectly with her story of the nanny taking Caylee...hmmmmm...:waitasec:

I think she has a husband who was said to have waited in the car while she looked at the apartment, and also other apartments, that day.

WHAT IF Casey knew ZG's husband? Even casually...not to imply something improper. And she didn't even have to know him well or really "know" him so he'd remember, but what if she had just met him one time and remembered the wife's name. Maybe he was cute or maybe he was rude to her or maybe he said something about the wife that made Casey latch onto that name...whatever. And then in June when Casey was looking for a way out, maybe even there to dump evidence or - God Forbid - Caylee's little body, maybe she saw him in the car and ZG come out of the apartment and get in. LIGHTBULB for Casey - she can say ZG lives there and took Caylee.

I don't know, but the husband shed a new light on this coincidence for me.
 
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  • #255
I was just looking at the Sawgrass apartments website,and I noticed a pond in the photos.Does anyone have any information on this pond?Is it deep?Is it easily accessible?Do you think Caylee could have been dumped there?(Maybe the excuse would be accidental drowning while in ZGs care)...
 
  • #256
I was just looking at the Sawgrass apartments website,and I noticed a pond in the photos.Does anyone have any information on this pond?Is it deep?Is it easily accessible?Do you think Caylee could have been dumped there?(Maybe the excuse would be accidental drowning while in ZGs care)...

i posted that last nite! i am wondering if she is there.. or somewhere at Sawgrass. Just makes sense to me that its simple like that. Casey said she left Caylee there with the "pretend" babysitter.. making the babysitter the last person to supposedly see her. Maybe she figured if the police found Caylee there they'd blame the babysitter (who they'd never find because there wasn't one) and Casey would get away with it. Unfortunately questions were asked and Casey kept lying.. which got her into trouble.
 
  • #257
sorry cindilou..didnt see you post from last night (just getting up myself to catch up on what I missed)..:)
 
  • #258
Game Theory....

Great Post.....

Thank you!
 
  • #259
sorry cindilou..didnt see you post from last night (just getting up myself to catch up on what I missed)..:)

haha i was excited to see your post!! i'm happy someone else thought that too. Just seems reasonable to me..

i also think maybe the Zenaida thing is just that Casey may have been saying she needed to find an apt (which was another lie since she had no money/job and was probably planning on staying with others forever) but maybe someone just casually said hey a friend of mine, zenaida gonzales went to look at Sawgrass apts today..

who knows..
 
  • #260
I read that Casey was 1/2 credit short of a diploma. wow, is that short sighted or what? She could probably fulfill it by one community college course, and yet...
I don't think the car smelled, and the body fluids are a "possibly" from LE, it could be oil.. or gas from those gas cans...no, LE is trying to build a case, Cindy is trying to force Casey to tell her where Caylee is and using everything she can to do it, and Casey is stubbornly getting her way which is keeping Cindy from Caylee, but wow what a way to get her way. Casey doesn't think ahead thus all the lies that get found out so easily. Cindy underestimates her daughter's stubbornness. Casey knows her mom really does love Caylee more than her. Check it out, Cindy had her daughter arrested, thrown in jail simply because she wouldn't tell her where Caylee was. She accused her of grand theft auto, cc theft, and finally, "a dead body smell in the car". Casey is sitting in jail simply because she won't tell LE where her daughter is. She is one stubborn young woman. I wonder how long she will sit there before she has had enough. I heard they would have to let her loose around August 17. Maybe she is just waiting it out. She is NOT going to give her mom the satisfaction of getting Caylee back, and will disappear when she gets out, but I think Caylee is ok, just hidden. The reason I think this? bc Casey has not shown any emotion except when her mom was saying nice stuff about her on the stand, and really all Casey really wants is her mom to love her as much as she does her daughter. I don't think Casey has hurt or would hurt Caylee, she just wants to hurt her mom, and doesn't recognize that she is hurting everyone else in the process. I think her friends know where Caylee is, but they aren't gonna tell. jmo


How do you explain the cadaver dogs?
 
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