Cell Phone Activity Timeline as of 11/11

[3doglady]

I believe another poster who has a Verizon smart phone said that the smart phone itself automatically dials the *86 when you press the voice mail button. I hope they are still here to verify this so I don't have to try and find that post. Or perhaps I just misunderstood their post. :waitasec:

MOO

JP corrected MK in the earlier interview when she said someone tried to access the vm. JP said they did not click on the icon, the numbers *86 were specifically dialed. I'm assuming that the FBI can differentiate between the two methods and told JP this.

 

[3doglady]

I read that post also. And we don't know the model of phone in question. Is it a smartphone? Is it a plainjane phone without icons on a touchscreen to push? We just don't know.

Since someone tried to access the internet I assumed it was not a plainjane. Doesn't it have to be a smartphone to have internet capabilities?

 

[Boodles]

I believe another poster who has a Verizon smart phone said that the smart phone itself automatically dials the *86 when you press the voice mail button. I hope they are still here to verify this so I don't have to try and find that post. Or perhaps I just misunderstood their post. :waitasec:

MOO

I have Verizon and a Droid. To call voicemail, I hit the voicemail icon. In my call history, it registers an entry which says *86 voicemail.

ETA: and then it wants a password

 

[katydid23]

I have Verizon and a Droid. To call voicemail, I hit the voicemail icon. In my call history, it registers an entry which says *86 voicemail.

ETA: and then it wants a password

That is something I wondered about. Did this person even have a password? I guess we will never know because it went straight to the payment center.

But I do not understand why someone who stole these phones would try and call the owners voicemail?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Since someone tried to access the internet I assumed it was not a plainjane. Doesn't it have to be a smartphone to have internet capabilities?

My plainjane does. I don't use it though.

 

[Kamille]

JP corrected MK in the earlier interview when she said someone tried to access the vm. JP said they did not click on the icon, the numbers *86 were specifically dialed. I'm assuming that the FBI can differentiate between the two methods and told JP this.

It could also be attributed to JP's lack of knowledge or just plain spin.

MOO

 

[Whisperer]

Since someone tried to access the internet I assumed it was not a plainjane. Doesn't it have to be a smartphone to have internet capabilities?

why would a stranger/intruder steal a phone and a baby and want to access the internet? Were they looking for the closest restaurant?

 

[3doglady]

It could also be attributed to JP's lack of knowledge or just plain spin.

MOO

That's possible and if MK had asked him that question I would be more likely to think it was spin. However JP interrupted MK to specifically make that point. AT this point we only have the info given to us through the media. I'm not gonna say it's not true because it doesn't fit my theory.

 

[3doglady]

why would a stranger/intruder steal a phone and a baby and want to access the internet? Were they looking for the closest restaurant?

A homeless person who doesn't have a phone or a computer? I don't necessarily think the person who took the phones took BL.

Why would someone with a computer try to access the internet with a phone that doesn't work?

 

[katydid23]

why would a stranger/intruder steal a phone and a baby and want to access the internet? Were they looking for the closest restaurant?

It makes me wonder if perhaps the person who had the phones was NOT the person who had the missing baby.

Could a petty thief have snuck in and taken the phones because they saw a drunk woman outside and they saw an opportunity. And separate from that, mom has a drunken accident and kills her child?

 

[Whisperer]

Were one of the parents who had the cell trying to contact somebody? Did DB forget that phone didn't work because she was drinking?

 

[yllek]

I don't understand why anyone would dial *86 on their own phone. If I have a vm I just click on the icon. Why would you dial *86 if your phone is not showing a vm has been received?

Someone on one of the threads related to the calls (can't keep track, might even be this thread) posted today that when you hit the standard key for "messages" your Verizon phone actually automatically dials *86 and that's what shows up on the records. The poster had technical experience with phone records. So, if that's true, it could be that someone actually either hit the "messages" key on one of Debbi's stolen phones like most of us would do OR dialed *86. Something to think about - I found it interesting and makes sense to me. JMO...

 

[In da Middle]

That is something I wondered about. Did this person even have a password? I guess we will never know because it went straight to the payment center.

But I do not understand why someone who stole these phones would try and call the owners voicemail?

When I lost/had stolen phone somebody did just that. They 1st accessed my voicemail and then went and connected to the net. Never once did they try to call any of my contacts nor did they call any other numbers. But they did access my voicemail.

 

[Whisperer]

A homeless person who doesn't have a phone or a computer? I don't necessarily think the person who took the phones took BL.

Why would someone with a computer try to access the internet with a phone that doesn't work?

...someone who forgot the phones didn't work would though if they weren't home or on the computer. Maybe Jeremy had his personal phone and his work phone with him at work and forgot his personal phone didn't work..

Maybe he was trying to communicate w/DB and couldn't reach her and decided to email her or msg her.

 

[katydid23]

When I lost/had stolen phone somebody did just that. They 1st accessed my voicemail and then went and connected to the net. Never once did they try to call any of my contacts nor did they call any other numbers. But they did access my voicemail.

Okay, so let's say someone stole this phone, or all of these phones. Would they use the phone if they also stole the baby? Would they call a friend using the phone if they had kidnapped a child? That is potentially a capital crime. Would they be so dumb as to call a friend's number with the stolen phone after kidnapping a child? None of that makes sense to me at all.

 

[3doglady]

...someone who forgot the phones didn't work would though if they weren't home or on the computer. Maybe Jeremy had his personal phone and his work phone with him at work and forgot his personal phone didn't work..

Maybe he was trying to communicate w/DB and couldn't reach her and decided to email her or msg her.

If JI had his phone LE would know from the pings and work video. JI said the phones were stolen and LE did not want him to take a lie detector. That leads me to believe JI did not have his phone.

 

[3doglady]

Okay, so let's say someone stole this phone, or all of these phones. Would they use the phone if they also stole the baby? Would they call a friend using the phone if they had kidnapped a child? That is potentially a capital crime. Would they be so dumb as to call a friend's number with the stolen phone after kidnapping a child? None of that makes sense to me at all.

I agree it doesn't make sense. That's because we don't think like a criminal. We aren't homeless without a phone, a car or the uncertainty of where our next meal will come from. JT walked away from a halfway house, had a warrant out for his arrest, and was breaking into cars and homes and living in them. Do any of those things make sense? One neighbor said he watched JT enter another neighbor's home through a window in daylight. We have no idea what he would do or why he would do it.

 

[katydid23]

A homeless person who doesn't have a phone or a computer? I don't necessarily think the person who took the phones took BL.

Why would someone with a computer try to access the internet with a phone that doesn't work?

BBM

I agree. So I am trying to figure out a possible scenario. MAYBE, just maybe, someone like Jersey sees his chance to get into the house because the women were outside drunk. So he sneaks in and grabs the 3 phones. Then he tries to call his friends at MW's to see who wants to buy/borrow the stolen phones. He messes around with them some more but cannot get them to work or to go online. But maybe he does eventually make contact with someone.[ he may have gone back to the home he was watering for example, and used their phone.] Maybe he calls someone like Dane, for example, and tells them about the house he just snuck into. And so the next chapter of the break in was done by someone else, somebody who wanted a baby.

 

[In da Middle]

Okay, so let's say someone stole this phone, or all of these phones. Would they use the phone if they also stole the baby? Would they call a friend using the phone if they had kidnapped a child? That is potentially a capital crime. Would they be so dumb as to call a friend's number with the stolen phone after kidnapping a child? None of that makes sense to me at all.

Not trying to claim it all makes sense. Only that I indeed do have an instance where somebody had my phone without my permission and they accessed my voice mail and got on the net.

I can't really make sense of any scenario. There is something in EVERY one I have seen so far that has something in it that just doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[Kamille]

I still wonder why it's such a big secret what type of phones we're dealing with here. What is the possible benefit, especially now with phone call and ping records coming out, to keep this information from the public? If one or more of the phones were actually sold, wouldn't it have been more beneficial for LE to ask the public to be on the lookout for someone selling these type of phones? Or at least now that so much time has passed, perhaps they can get some information from someone who has already purchased one of the phones.

Why haven't the lawyers given out this information either? They're telling us everything else, why not the colour and model of phones? They obviously think they are tied to the "kidnapping" so why don't they get a description of the phones out there?

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