Chicago Police Kill 2 During Domestic Disturbance Call

[Tawny]

If someone is in a mental health crisis but has no violent history then their family would not usually be calling LE for help.

There's a first time for every situation.

 

[katydid23]

Tranquilizer guns. Good idea. Something fast acting and non lethal.

No cop is going to try and use a taser on a volatile, confrontational suspect with a baseball bat.

 

[katydid23]

There's a first time for every situation.

Of course there is. But IN GENERAL, the people that cops are called in to control, are people that have a history of arrests.

 

[bluesneakers]

I know there is training, but it's reliability out in there field is questionable.

Also, the distrust is because cops arrest people for drugs, drunk driving, domestic violence. And many of the people that they are in confrontations with have been arrested previously. So it would take a lot for them to trust cops.

If someone is in a mental health crisis but has no violent history then their family would not usually be calling LE for help.

No kidding. Look what can happen if you do.

 

[Sonya610]

I think that is kind of an unfair comparison. An agitated individual looks very differently at a small, kind woman who wearing a nurse's uniform, as opposed to how they might look at an individual in a cops' uniform. The aggression could be automatic when they see the cop, and not the same reaction towards the nurse.

Plus while mental hospitals CONTROL the drugs the patient is on, and can drug the patient into a complacent stupor if they choose it is completely different for police.

If it is so darn easy for 5' tall women to control crazy violent men twice their size perhaps we should just teach the family members how to do it! That way they won't have call the police for "services".

 

[kimlynn]

No cop is going to try and use a taser on a volatile, confrontational suspect with a baseball bat.

Tranquilizer gun not Taser. But why not use a Taser if it takes the person down?
By the way LE only said he charged down the steps. No indication he had the bat raised to swing.

 

[Tawny]

Of course there is. But IN GENERAL, the people that cops are called in to control, are people that have a history of arrests.

Do you have a source that states Quintonio has a history of arrests? If not, I'm not sure the relevance here.

 

[bluesneakers]

Tranquilizer gun not Taser. But why not use a Taser if it takes the person down?
By the way LE only said he charged down the steps. No indication he had the bat raised to swing.

He had a bat and the officer was afraid and now two innocent people are dead. Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you have to use it. I can't believe anyone thinks this is okay.

 

[Sonya610]

But why not use a Taser if it takes the person down?

Because a taser doesn't always stop an attacker. If they managed to crack the cop in the head with a baseball bat then the attacker could potentially get the cops weapon too.

 

[drjones]

Tranquilizer gun not Taser. But why not use a Taser if it takes the person down?
By the way LE only said he charged down the steps. No indication he had the bat raised to swing.

because tasers do not always work, in fact they fail quite regularly for a number of reasons. that is why they are not a legitimate defense to an imminent serious threat. suggesting that the police be armed with tranquilizer guns is ludicrous.

 

[kimlynn]

Because a taser doesn't always stop an attacker. If they managed to crack the cop in the head with a baseball bat then the attacker could potentially get the cops weapon too.

I have heard that they don't always work but it seems rare. LE have them to use for a reason.

 

[kimlynn]

because tasers do not always work, in fact they fail quite regularly for a number of reasons. that is why they are not a legitimate defense to an imminent serious threat. suggesting that the police be armed with tranquilizers guns is ludicrous.

I thought it was a great idea,but I'm easily swayed.

 

[drjones]

He had a bat and the officer was afraid and now two innocent people are dead. Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you have to use it. I can't believe anyone thinks this is okay.

I am 100% ok with police shooting people that run at them with bats. If that is what happened here I have absolutely no problem with it. As they have already acknowledged, it is an absolute shame that the woman was killed.

 

[Sonya610]

I have heard that they don't always work but it seems rare. LE have them to use for a reason.

Seems they are most often used to stop a person that is resisting vs attacking. Big difference.

If they refused to get out of their car they may get tased, if they refused to drop a weapon then they may get shot.

 

[Tillicum]

Do you have a source that states Quintonio has a history of arrests? If not, I'm not sure the relevance here.

There's this. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...shoots-domestic-disturbance-article-1.2477401

This past March, Northern Illinois University cops charged LeGrier with “obstructing a peace officer,” according to the Northern Star student newspaper. No other details were immediately available.

 

[katydid23]

No kidding. Look what can happen if you do.

Exactly. Because if their own parents are afraid of them, why wouldn't strangers be wary as well?

 

[kimlynn]

I am 100% ok with police shooting people that run at them with bats. If that is what happened here I have absolutely no problem with it. As they have already acknowledged, it is an absolute shame that the woman was killed.

That seems to be the problem. People and LE are so set against non lethal options.
And we only have their word that QL ran at them.

 

[katydid23]

Do you have a source that states Quintonio has a history of arrests? If not, I'm not sure the relevance here.

Where did I say he had a history of arrests? I was replying to a statement posted about the number of armed mentally ill suspects killed by LE.

ETA: I was replying to post #176 by Montjoy, about cops IN GENERAL , confronting the mentally ill. Notice the words IN GENERAL in my reply.

 

[kimlynn]

He had a bat and the officer was afraid and now two innocent people are dead. Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you have to use it. I can't believe anyone thinks this is okay.

Same with the bat. He had it but maybe had no intention of using it as a weapon.

 

[Sonya610]

That seems to be the problem. People and LE are so set against non lethal options.
And we only have their word that QL ran at them.

We also have the father's word that QL was violent and scary enough to warrant a call to the police.

If there wasn't a problem the police shouldn't have been called.