Cindy is Unbelievable

[Solace]

Late to the party but I do believe that the SA could make a case for obstruction of justice with just the two things you mentioned...washing the pants and spraying the trunk. For what non obstructive reason would you remove the smell and evidence of death from the trunk and pants?

The pants were washed before KC came home and told them the child was gone. Along with the spraying of the trunk.

They are not going to do this to the grandparents. It is just not going to happen. They have lost enough. IMO

 

[stilettos]

The pants were washed before KC came home and told them the child was gone. Along with the spraying of the trunk.

They are not going to do this to the grandparents. It is just not going to happen. They have lost enough. IMO

Both descrbed the "smell of death" in that car....spraying the trunk is an attempt to remove it. JMO

 

[Aedrys]

The pants were washed before KC came home and told them the child was gone. Along with the spraying of the trunk.

They are not going to do this to the grandparents. It is just not going to happen. They have lost enough. IMO

I'd say that about most grandparents in a situation like this, but CA and GA's total disrespect for the court and anyone that doesn't believe Casey is innocent, and I'm talking the spewing of hatred, leaving angry and threatening voicemails, and on top of that, trying to interfere with investigation to free their murderous daughter tells me that no, they have definitely not lost enough. No one gets to do what they have done and walk away from it. They should pay the price for breaking the law and being inhuman to their own grandchild's memory and anyone not on Casey's side (basically just about everyone).

 

[Scamperoo]

The pants were washed before KC came home and told them the child was gone. Along with the spraying of the trunk.

They are not going to do this to the grandparents. It is just not going to happen. They have lost enough. IMO

The moment they picked up the car they said it smelled like there had been a dead body in the car. George stated that he thought he was going to find the body of either Casey or Caylee in the trunk at the tow yard, he was completely familiar what a decomposing body smelled like. I think Cindy was familiar with the smell too.

From the moment the trunk was opened they knew something or someone had died and was in the trunk and when they arrived home they began to clean up.

I believe in every sense of the word they obstructed the full investigation into what had been in the trunk, I still believe that they will not prosecute these people. Much of what they have been through they have bought on themselves and when all this is over they will be left alone with their thoughts and memories. I don't think there is any punishment that can equal that.

 

[jon_burrows]

Wanted to compare Cindy with this hearing and the 911 hearing.

Cindy at the 911 hearing is very soft spoken but she is extremely sneaky and I mean this because I remember reading her FBI interview where she implicates AMY and one of the reasons is because Amy knows EXACTLY how to get to Tony's. Okay.

In the 911 hearings when Baez asks her about going to Tony's she slowly and methodically tells him that Amy directed her there. She goes on to say that she thought it would take longer because Amy said she had only been there once, but that Amy was able to go straight there with no problem.

My point is Cindy is trying every chance she gets to implicate anyone she can that she has implicated in the past. She comes off as shakey and soft spoken, but she has an agenda and that is to implicate anyone and everyone - does not matter if they are innocent.

I thought this was interesting in that the trial is coming soon and it is wise to watch Cindy and how she answers quetions. She has learned nothing from this killing. Nothing at all imo.

It is bad enough that her grandchild was murdered, but it is insult to injury in that she will not acknowledge the murder and at the same time TRIES to implicate Amy.

Everytime I have an ounce of sympathy for these people, I see something else they are doing that is completely underhanded.

BBM- Sneaky is a good word for her. I couldn't believe she asked JBP in the most meek and mild voice she could muster if it was okay if she had water during her testimony. What I didn't hear was her asking if it was ok to chomp gum, inform lawyers when their questions or irrelevant, or refuse to answer questions like she did in the Morgan case. This was during her last testimony.

She knows she shouldn't chew gum but chomp chomp chomp. She knows she's not supposed to make faces, shake her head, or interfere with proceedings but she does. She simply tried to make JBP think she wanted to be good and play by the rules because she knew he wouldn't deny her water...everyone else was drinking water.

Side note: I happened to be chewing gum while watching the Morgan testimony. She chomps very hard and very fast when she lies or she doesn't want to answer a question. I tried to do a silly experiment by trying to keep up with her chomping. I lasted about 5 seconds and nearly bit my tongue off. It must takes years of practice to chomp gum like that.

 

[stilettos]

The pants were washed before KC came home and told them the child was gone. Along with the spraying of the trunk.

They are not going to do this to the grandparents. It is just not going to happen. They have lost enough. IMO

It is their grandchild that lost the most. I wish her grandparents had not obstructed the investigation to get her justice.

 

[jon_burrows]

Sorry, usually lurking as you all are so smart and I usually don't have anything to offer, but I used to work for a vendor at Universal. I reported to work there as if I was an employee of Universal, as ICA would have done when working for the photo company. She would not have had to return her I.D. They would have just deactivated it. They have magnetic strips on them. It is very possible she could have had more than one in her name. Also, it would be obvious when looking at it, that she was working for a vendor. They are slightly different than an actual Universal employee's I.D. and they would show the name of the actual company she worked for.

FWIW - now I'll slink back to lurking

Welcome and please don't slink back to lurking!

Quick question, do you think Casey actually took pictures at Universal or did she sit at a kiosk and sell pictures that came from a camera mounted on the rides? TIA

 

[Whisperer]

I don't think CA nor GA led LE to that car when they first arrived, did they? That car should have been reported and taken by LE straight from the storage yard. Nope, CA and GA wanted to get rid of the smell and remove all evidence of Casey's crime. No one will convince me that CA didn't suspect Caylee was dead by the second day of Casey not coming home, if not before THAT!

The vehicle was registered in 'cindy and georges' name.

If she had called LE the first day about her car missing, LE would have located it. Casey would have been caught and Cindy knew it! She was protecting her the entire time. The car incident forced cindy to have to report something...due to the smell. So Nanny was born and then and only then did cindy call.

 

[Leila]

The jury can consider the defendant's demeanor during the trial proceedings. So, unless Casey becomes totally disruptive (ala Brian David Mitchell's loud, constant singing during the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping trial) nothing will happen. The jury gets the whole picture and can consider all of it.

The defense has their hands full just trying to control her. I don't think she is going to sit there all stoic for 2+ months.

I think Casey will be very bored during the testimony of scientific experts as they'll be talking way above her level of education. But, I think that when it comes to having to see and hear her former friends, Tony, Ricardo, Amy, Jesse, and others testify, this is when Casey will be difficult to handle. She will get angry when they tell about her behavior.

 

[LambChop]

I don't think CA nor GA led LE to that car when they first arrived, did they? That car should have been reported and taken by LE straight from the storage yard. Nope, CA and GA wanted to get rid of the smell and remove all evidence of Casey's crime. No one will convince me that CA didn't suspect Haleigh was dead by the second day of Casey not coming home, if not before THAT!

The vehicle was registered in 'cindy and georges' name.

If she had called LE the first day about her car missing, LE would have located it. Casey would have been caught and Cindy knew it! She was protecting her the entire time. The car incident forced cindy to have to report something...due to the smell. So Nanny was born and then and only then did cindy call.

GA did mention it to Yuri when Yuri first arrived, according to GA. Yuri is not sure in what timeframe but does remember GA mentioning it to him. jmo

 

[Meagain]

I have a question.... Is Cindy's "smells like a dead body in the damn car" statement going to be heard at trial? TIA

 

[Amil]

I have a question.... Is Cindy's "smells like a dead body in the damn car" statement going to be heard at trial? TIA

It is eligible! Depends if the prosecution want to use it. I think they will.

 

[Kentjbkent]

I don't think CA nor GA led LE to that car when they first arrived, did they? That car should have been reported and taken by LE straight from the storage yard. Nope, CA and GA wanted to get rid of the smell and remove all evidence of Casey's crime. No one will convince me that CA didn't suspect Haleigh was dead by the second day of Casey not coming home, if not before THAT!

The vehicle was registered in 'cindy and georges' name.

If she had called LE the first day about her car missing, LE would have located it. Casey would have been caught and Cindy knew it! She was protecting her the entire time. The car incident forced cindy to have to report something...due to the smell. So Nanny was born and then and only then did cindy call.

That is an EXCELLENT point...and one that I pray SA will ask CA or GA while they are on the witness stand!!!

(PS...edited your original post to change "Haleigh" to "Caylee"...)

 

[miimaa]

But the only reason Cindy said anything about the car being taken by KC was to force KC to tell her where Caylee was. Prior to that day, Cindy was not concerned about the car at all. Wasn't KC using the car as her 'own' vehicle for some time?

Yes I agree that Cindy is protecting KC but I don't understand why. Once LE told GA and CA there was no nanny, no job, no phone numbers, etc. why do they continue to stand by her? I don't get it.... the money KC took, the lies, losing Caylee and allowing whatever happened to her to happen - boggles my mind and that is why I am stuck on this case.

 

[Whisperer]

GA did mention it to Yuri when Yuri first arrived, according to GA. Yuri is not sure in what timeframe but does remember GA mentioning it to him. jmo

Thanks LambChop. I am rusty on this case. Was GA home at the time? IIRC, Cindy told him to go to work and she would handle things. I'm going from memory but I don't recall the car being searched the evening of the report. I don't think the LE knew about it till they reviewed the 911 call the next day or so. This gave Cindy and George more time to clean.

If George had reported it ASAP, they would have been roping off the car immediately. I don't recall them even looking at the car till the next day or even later. G&A even had it outside to air. When LE arrived it was locked in the garage.

 

[Whisperer]

But the only reason Cindy said anything about the car being taken by KC was to force KC to tell her where Caylee was. Prior to that day, Cindy was not concerned about the car at all. Wasn't KC using the car as her 'own' vehicle for some time?

Yes I agree that Cindy is protecting KC but I don't understand why. Once LE told GA and CA there was no nanny, no job, no phone numbers, etc. why do they continue to stand by her? I don't get it.... the money KC took, the lies, losing Caylee and allowing whatever happened to her to happen - boggles my mind and that is why I am stuck on this case.

They stand by casey due to their own guilt. They were part of this cover-up.

If cindy truly was worried about Caylee, she would have reported the car missing on day 1 or 2. So what if it is a false report. The benefit outweighs a stupid false report. Cindy/George would have found Case, the car and possibly Caylee by calling the car in stolen. :banghead:

The fact is Cindy/George suspected or knew that Caylee was harmed and they were sticking their heads in the sand and going into denial about harm that came to Caylee, thus entereing the mourning period and then the "Protect casey Phase".

They did not want to be charged w/murder and wanted to establish they were not involved in disposing of a corpse. If cindy and george's car was not implicated, I wonder if we would have ever heard about Caylee. :waitasec:

 

[LambChop]

Thanks LambChop. I am rusty on this case. Was GA home at the time? IIRC, Cindy told him to go to work and she would handle things. I'm going from memory but I don't recall the car being searched the evening of the report. I don't think the LE knew about it till they reviewed the 911 call the next day or so. This gave Cindy and George more time to clean.

If George had reported it ASAP, they would have been roping off the car immediately. I don't recall them even looking at the car till the next day or even later. G&A even had it outside to air it out. When LE arrived it was locked in the garage.

What we learned in the recent hearings were that the 911 calls were between 8:00 and 9:45 (the last one). GA came home at 9:50 and LE arrived shortly afterwards. Yuri came to the house to speak with KC around 3:30am on July 16th and GA believes he told Yuri then. Yuri is unsure at what point GA mentioned the car smelling but did ask GA later about it.

The garage was not locked when LE arrived but the A's had left the garage door open to air out the car not that it was outside. The reason I know it was not outside is before GA left for work that afternoon he removed the battery to "keep anyone" from taking off with the car. When Yuri remembered about GA mentioning the car is when he sent someone over to secure the vehicle. jmo

 

[Whisperer]

Thank you, I thought when the first brought the car home, they parked it outside to air..my mistake.

 

[Whisperer]

Wouldn't any reasonable person think that the first thing the Anthony's would have done was alert LE to the car? To me this is consiousness of guilt.

 

[Whisperer]

Cindy cleaned the car, aired the car, washed the evidence. Removed the knife (probably a steak knife which was used to cut the duck tape) Took her Binder and Lord knows what else she has that wasn't reported. Gave LE the wrong hair brush (on purpose). And according to her cremated the wrong child's bones.'

Cindy is intrusive at the very least and crosses all boundaries of human behavior.